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I just don't get this story. First, it was sounding like he and his family were in real trouble. We heard that a marketing firm made a deal with him, put his family up in a very nice house for free and he ended up not signing with who they wanted him to.

Sounds pretty bad. But now ESPN is saying that the group rented the house to his family, and then tried to force him to pay millions when he didn't go along with their plan, and tried to evict his family from the house.

First, this firm is crooked. Horrible people that were trying to take advantage of a situation.

However, even if the family was paying rent, based on his parents occupations, no way they could afford market value rent on a 3/4 of a million dollar place. So technically, that would mean he was in violation of NCAA rules all last season.

What should happen now? Well if you agree or not with the rule itself doesn't matter. If this is all true, he broke it and I would think that means USC played an ineligible player all year and thus must forfit all games from that season. And according to the Heisman rules, if he was ineligible to play, he should have the award taken away. I don't think that means you give it to anyone else, but you do take it away.

And don't anyone start with that crazy arguement I've heard lately that if they didn't take OJ's away they can't do it to Bush. OJ did something years after his NFL playing days that doesn't fall in the line of violating the Heisman balloting rules. Or the silly Sports Bash take that it doesn't offend your moral values because no one was hurt. Um, what about USC and the microscope their players and program will be under now?

It's all so stupid, and I'm not horribly offended by it, but rules are rules.
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I haven't heard anything about OJ, but those murders were WELL after he played college ball.

If it's true that the Bush family were getting favorable treatment and was in violation of NCAA rules, I have problems with USC forfeiting the last (two?) season(s), striping him of his Heisman and giving it to Young.

Just like Ms. America, if he is ineligible for the year he won the trophy, it should fall to the #2 person.



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I forget the exact rules cited, but I heard some commentator say a couple of days ago that USC would actually probably NOT have to forfeit any games and instead Reggie Bush would merely have his USC records stripped from him (presumably only the ones set during last season). This sounds like a mere slap on the wrist to me, but if he also loses the Heisman, then I'll be more than satisfied. This is assuming, of course, that he received improper benefits. Judging by the market value of the house, however, things do look quite suspicious.

How bout that Mark Sanchez fellow? Sexual assault? Pete Carroll, perhaps you should have a chat with the Portland Trailblazers' coaching staff. Looks like you might need some tips from them in the future.

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New word is they didn't pay a dime in rent and that the firm also paid for Bush's family to attend games. So yeah, huge violations here.

You have to punish USC, even if they didn't know about it. Otherwise every university could give away extra benefits and just claim ignorance. Removing last season is what I would hope for as a minimum, but they probably should lose some scholarships as well to help drive the point home that you have to be responsible for your players. May not be fair to ask them to watch so many kids so closely but it's also not fair to let them say they didn't know and walk away with nothing.
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It's all ethical baby. Not what they did know, but what they should have known. You know players on the team had to have known about the situation with the Bush family. Therefore coaches should have heard stories or rumors going around. Like wm said, USC can't just claim ignorance cause that would open up a huge can of worms. It sucks if future teams are affected by this, but that's the way it goes. I'm also for taking away Reggie's Heisman.

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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    I haven't heard anything about OJ, but those murders were WELL after he played college ball.


Also, he was found innocent of the murders. (The fact that pretty much everyone now admits he probably did it doesn't change that.)

In truth, none of these sanctions really matter, right? Bush has already declared for the NFL Draft, and odds are he'll be a top-three pick. He's about to have more money than almost anyone here will ever have in their entire lifetime, so what sanctions could they possibly put on him that would be sufficient?



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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003

Apparantly, The Texans have gotten a case of Bushlash, because they've just signed Mario Williams to presumably be the #1 pick.

This was already a really unpredictable first round and it just got kookier.



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It is a smart move by the Texans to draft Williams over Bush. Unless Williams is the second coming of Kenneth Simms, he should be at worst an above average pass rushing lineman, and those players are tougher to find than running backs, even explosive backs like Bush. On a horrible team Domanick Davis ran for 976 yards and a 4.2 avg. Not Hall of Fame caliber, but on a team that has a lead, he can go for 1,100 to 1,200 yards. I don't think Bush would go for much more than that behind a putrid offensive line, so trying to rebuild a defense in a division with the Colts is probably the correct choice.
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Holy hell. I mean it's a smart move, cause Bush could be great but was a bit overhyped to start with. But jesus, are the Saints ever gonna get some crazy trade offers now. It's gonna be such a crazy first 10 picks now.
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    Originally posted by wmatistic


    Holy hell. I mean it's a smart move, cause Bush could be great but was a bit overhyped to start with. But jesus, are the Saints ever gonna get some crazy trade offers now. It's gonna be such a crazy first 10 picks now.


Any buzz on the Jets packaging their 2 1st round picks together to move up & get Reggie?
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According to Profootballtalk.com, the Jets don't have enough 'points' to move up to the #2 spot. Apparently every NFL team uses a chart that rates draft picks with a numerical value, and the #4 pick and the #29 pick added together don't quite equal the #2 pick. That said, the Jets might still do it if they think Bush is worth it.

This just became the most unpredictable draft in years. Who would've thought that with all the hype over Bush, Young and Leinart and the defensive end from UNC (who scouts almost all had slotted going fifth or sixth) would end up the #1 pick? If the Saints were smart, they could reap a huge windfall from a deal, maybe even something to make up for the infamous Ricky Williams draft day fiasco from a few years back.



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Remember how everyone joked that the Texans were losing just to get Bush? Remember Bush-bowl? This draft is going to be insane...
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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    Remember how everyone joked that the Texans were losing just to get Bush? Remember Bush-bowl? This draft is going to be insane...


Completely. There's no way that Kris Brown intentionally shanked (sports.espn.go.com) those kicks for the rights to Mario Williams.
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Apparently every NFL team uses a chart that rates draft picks with a numerical value, and the #4 pick and the #29 pick added together don't quite equal the #2 pick.


EDIT: Thanks to Mr. Boffo for his HTML advice. I had TRIED that, but it wasn't working.


Round 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
13,000335806526597112129431612719314.2
22,6003456066260 981081304216226.619413.8
32,2003555067255991041314116326.219513.4
41,80036540682501001001324016425.819613
51,70037530692451019613339.516525.419712.6
61,600385207024010292134391662519812.2
7 1,50039510712351038813538.516724.619911.8
8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208
8.2
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4
182 18.6 214 5.8
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6
31 60063276951201274515927.8191152232.3
3259064270961161284416027.419214.62242


Thanks to NFL.com for that.

I think the Texans are making a "Sam Bowie-over-Michael Jordan"-sized mistake. I can't believe they didn't take Bush.

Here's Chuck Klosterman's take on ESPN.com, which also sums up my feelings. (caps his, not mine)

Before I boarded this flight, I was talking (by phone) to a lawyer in North Dakota who I must now consider the federal prosecuting equivalent of Mel Kiper Jr. "The Texans will not take Bush," he said. "This is my prediction." The lawyer made this comment at 2:30 p.m. on Friday afternoon. At the time (and even now), the notion struck me as completely idiotic. I have only been alive for 33 years, but I've spent 25 of them watching football, and I have never seen a better college player than Reggie Bush. When Marcus Allen was a senior, he was awesome -- but Bush was more versatile. It's possible that Barry Sanders was better as a junior, but Oklahoma State was on probation that year, so they were never on TV; as such, I can't legitimately compare them. But I can't imagine how Sanders (or anyone else) could have been any more electrifying and unhittable than Bush. In fact, ESPN Classic just rebroadcast the USC-Fresno State game this very afternoon, and it seems wholly impossible that anyone could be better at running away from people than this particular human. Moreover, everyone alive seems to know this: not only have I never met a Reggie Bush skeptic, I've never met anyone who didn't consider Bush to be a transcendent superhuman. He possesses the kind of greatness that a child can see.

Yet the Texans have nonetheless convinced themselves that they will be better off selecting Mario Williams, the tall, speed-rushing defensive end from North Carolina State. I suspect Williams is potentially stellar. In time, he could be Pro Bowl caliber player. And the Texans' reasoning (I assume) is that (a) you build a team around defense and pass rushing; (b) they already have a decent running back; (c) Bush might be hyper-expensive; and (d) Reggie's parents appear to be living in a free house, which seems a tad sketchy. This is all fine and reasonable. The only problem is that Gary Kubiak has failed to weigh these points against the opposing argument, which is that REGGIE BUSH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TACKLE. HE IS WAY, WAY BETTER THAN ALL OF THE OTHER DUDES WHO ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE DRAFTED. WHEN REGGIE BUSH IS RUNNING WITH THE FOOTBALL, THOSE ATTEMPTING TO KNOCK HIM TO THE GROUND CANNOT SEEM TO DO SO. THIS QUALITY IS ADVANTAGEOUS WITHIN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL, AS THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE TOTALITY OF THE SPORT.

Obviously, this decision is wolf-face crazy. It's the kind of decision you make when you are drunk, and on cocaine, and on deadline, and on fire. It's going to define the future of the Houston franchise, and it will potentially wreck it (at least for a decade). But I think I know why they did it. I think I know why the Texans have consciously overlooked a reality that seemed to be universally understood: the NFL draft has grown into such a self-obsessed, metacommunicative monoculture that it actively perpetuates counter-intuitive logic. Pro football teams (and the media entities which cover it, including this one) have invested so much time and effort into analysis that smart people can no longer see what's abundantly obvious. The culture of the NFL draft insists that nothing is ever easy; it suggests that what you see with your eyes is always meaningless. It is no longer acceptable to pick a player because he's the best guy available -- general managers need to justify their picks through theoretical means that are akin to corporate-speak. The Texans talked themselves into picking an inferior player; they created reasonable, intellectual reasons to make a terrible move. And I realize Houston needs help on defense, but remember -- they had the first overall pick because they were the worst team in the league. They need everything. And while you can't get everything at once, the closest singular equivalent is usually the single-best force. But they took the wrong guy.


(edited by JayJayDean on 29.4.06 1421)

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EDIT: Tried to make a better table-version of the chart. Didn't work.

(edited by JayJayDean on 29.4.06 1127)


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You have to get rid of all the carriage returns (what happens when you press enter) that are part of the table. Those are all being included at the top.



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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Also, he was found innocent of the murders. (The fact that pretty much everyone now admits he probably did it doesn't change that.)


He was not found innocent. The jury decided that the state had not proved beyond a resonable doubt that he was guilty.


So does this all mean that we can start printing 2005 Pac Ten Champs shirts here in Eugene??
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Yes, not picking Bush is such a huge mistake. Cause a once in a lifetime talent like that can make you a winner. Just ask Barry Sanders and the Detroit Lions.
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Yes, not picking Bush is such a huge mistake. Cause a once in a lifetime talent like that can make you a winner. Just ask Barry Sanders and the Detroit Lions.


If there's any justice, the line to get punched in the face (which forms to the left) will feature Gene Wojciechowski, Michael Irvin, and Chuck Klosterman. (Although personally, I would've gone for The Man They Call D'Brickashaw, seeing as they can't keep Carr perpendicular...)



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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Yes, not picking Bush is such a huge mistake. Cause a once in a lifetime talent like that can make you a winner. Just ask Barry Sanders and the Detroit Lions.
They won how many Super Bowls again?



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