Don't get me wrong - I'm loving this money-grubbing televangelist gimmick of his.
But, uh... is there any chance we'll see him in a match anytime soon? Also, what's his finisher going to be? I know in ECW - he used a Inverted DDT -> Suplex (Can't remember its name) and he also used a Hangman's Neckbreaker from the ropes.
Since he's not tagging with Buh-Buh Ray for the first time since '95 - I'm hoping to see if he'll be any good (even though Buh-Buh Ray was the cooler Dudley).
I think the "official" title is Strong Reverse DDT.
Maybe he should drop the gimmick altogether and adopt New Jack's style: Music plays, shows up with the "plundah", kicks some random ass, struts off into the sunset (yet despite kicking all kinds of ass, NEVER gets a shot at the title!).
Maybe THAT'S what the gimmick needs. After all, that's what made Samuel Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction so cool. One second quoting Bible verses and generally talking about spirituality, the next second erupting into an orgy of violence and destruction. It's actually what made the Waylon Mercy gimmick flawless as far as I was concerned: The calm before the storm. Gets 'em every time. Make D'Von MORE violent, and have him lay evil-looking beatdowns on a few top guys (of course eventually getting some comeuppance) and give him more one-liners (You wanna steal from ME?! I slit a man from neck to nuts for that once...)
"All born equal unless you're Canadian Then halfway through decay like Uranium You define what's death-defying Get the most out of life or at the least die trying Are you Evil Knievel jumping a train? Or running with scissors like Frasier Crane? Have really good times doing really bad things ‘Cause the show ain't over ‘til the fat lady sings Like Elton John with his candle in the wind It's hard to blow out a flame as big as him But we've all got to Wang Chung with the Grim Reaper Whether you're Einstein whether you're Beaker Death is certain so it's definitely worth flirtin' Don't expect a bright light no just curtains Life is like a penis most people don't know it But most people suck so they usually blow it"
From "Take The Long Way Home", by The Bloodhound Gang
I'm not going to debate the nuances of the gimmick because what is and isn't offensive/funny is subjective and largely based upon the senstivity of the viewer. But I have to wonder, if this bothers you, how do you get through an episode of WWF TV at all without hulking up in a Joe Lieberman rage of righteous fury?
To my mind, once you've become jaded enough to deal with the ultraviolent, essentially value nihilisitc nature of the programming, the fact that an angle may or not be one-hundred percent sensitive to America's growing multiculturalism is a drop in the bucket. If I was going to get all huffy about the messages inherent in the show, I would consider this a step up from when he was getting cheered for putting helpless women through tables while his partner went into an orgiastic frenzy.
Just saying, is all.
Originally posted by shea This gimmick is just plain wrong in so many ways --
But let's get one thing straight: everybody says over and over that D-Von is spoofing a televangelist.
well, televangelists DON'T WEAR PRIEST COLLARS.
Again, the WWF gets it wrong, and D-Von's putting that collar on makes the gimmick slimy and stupid and not at all funny because neither D-Von nor the writing is at all humorous.
Network TV, family hour, a black man pretending to be a pastor violently beating up a white man pretending to be a thief, all over a handful of dollars. How wholesome!
I'm sure D-Von's parents are very proud of him, now that he's taken to ridiculing their vocation in front of a national audience.
Again, just ONE of the things about this "character" that rubs me WAY the wrong way.
Originally posted by DebaserBut I have to wonder, if this bothers you, how do you get through an episode of WWF TV at all without hulking up in a Joe Lieberman rage of righteous fury?
point taken, Debaser. Fact is, I don't think I've ever, and I mean EVER, stuck with any wrestling show straight through for the entire 2 hours. My remote's always handy.
two points to make here: I'm not furious or huffy or beet-red over D-Von, I'm just stating an opinion.
And my main beef is: this is lazy, stupid writing that panders to who-knows-what demographic of Vince's audience that is going to give this character heel heat. Trotting out cultural or ethnic stereotypes/archetypes for cheap heat is an trait of old-school booking I can do without.
Compare this nonsense with the RTC, which was a pointed, clever satire on moral majority fascists. It's not like they don't have writers with smarts. D-Von's shtick is just bottom-of-the-barrel crap.
That his parents are real-life reverends .... well, then it's sad and desperate on top of being dumb.
Originally posted by astrobstrdI believe No Mercy had it labeled the Reverse DDT Drop. Not too bad of a move, but the the Super Hangman's Neckbreaker is a little bit sicker.
If we're going by video game labels, I believe that Fire Pro Wrestling G also had it, labeled as a Reverse Brainbuster. And I agree, if D-Von's gonna have a badass finisher that neckbreaker would be the way to go. Nasty, nasty.
Kansas-born and deeply ashamed The last living La Parka Marka: HE raised the briefcase!
Originally posted by DebaserCompare this nonsense with the RTC, which was a pointed, clever satire on moral majority fascists.
Criminy, now I don't know whether I have higher or lower standards then you. I'd call the RTC angle a lot of things, but "pointed" and "clever" wouldn't be amongst them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the inherent concept behind the new character is wonderful, and I have yet to get the point. Does he keep the money? Does he give it to Vince? If not, why does Vince let him waste time running collections instead of performing? If so, what the hell does Billionaire Vince need with the couple hundred bucks he gets through panhandling? The character's a money grubber who uses vague allusions to God to solicit donations, so he's supposed to be a heel, right? If so, why are people in the audience putting cash in the collection plate? Are they heels too? It just doesn't make sense, but to be honest that's kind of par for the course.
Personally, I expect 85% of anything on any given WWF program to be... well... pointless at best. Even at its best, the writing's never really been wrestling's strong point, and I think the lion's share of the entertainment value comes from the performers. So I kinda sorta enjoy D-Von's gimmick because, if nothing else, he does it well. He sounds the part and, if they tweak it properly (lose the most over-the-top elements, and just make him a bible-quoting asskicker) I could see it working. And if it doesn't, well what else are they going to do with his 5 minutes a week of air time? Have Test talk about how hairy Albert's back is?
Hey, this one's on that site StevieRichards linked to in that other thread! http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/wwf%2Blegends/video/x11lo5_wwf-attitude-legends (I wonder if that mysterious stranger will ever return)