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Since: 23.1.02
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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.72
I hope the RedSox trash the Yankees, and I hope we get a Cubs/Sox series that goes 7 games. But in the end, I have to go with the Cubbies.

Boston fans just wouldn't be as much fun if, you know, they actually WIN for a change. The Patriots SuperBowl win was enough, thank you.

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.78
    Originally posted by Jaguar
    I hope the RedSox trash the Yankees, and I hope we get a Cubs/Sox series that goes 7 games. But in the end, I have to go with the Cubbies.

    Boston fans just wouldn't be as much fun if, you know, they actually WIN for a change. The Patriots SuperBowl win was enough, thank you.

    -Jag




WHAT??? The Sox fans would be a lot happier if they won. I know I would, speaking as a Sox fan. Sorry that us no longer being miserable would end your amusement.



"Deep down, we worry that our lives will pass us by without ever seeing the Red Sox win a World Series ... which is what this whole thing is really about in the first place. That's why Red Sox fans are so insanely passionate about our team. We're haunted by the possibility of living an entire lifetime -- 80-90 years, followed by death -- without celebrating a World Series title. That's not a curse; it's an imaginary guillotine that hangs over us every season. We're just waiting for it to go away, that's all.

That's pretty simple, isn't it? Well, it's true. I have made thousands of arguments in this column -- some of them good, some of them bad, some of them insane -- and feel more strongly about the above paragraph than anything else. Blaming Babe Ruth's ghost for 85 years of failure makes for a cute story, and as WEEI's Gerry Callahan likes to joke, the premise put Dan Shaughnessy's kids through college. But it's not true. It's a myth kept alive by writers, columnists, talk show hosts and producers of slanted documentaries for HBO. The only "curse" is that the media keeps bringing it up.

But plenty of sports fans battle similar demons, don't they? What about Cubs fans closing in on the 100-year mark? What about Bills fans losing those four straight Super Bowls, including the horror of the Norwood Game? What about Browns fans losing their team, for God's sake? Who's more tortured than Maple Leaf fans? You think Astros fans have had tons of fun over the past four decades? You think the Bengals and Cavs have been laughing it up?"
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mountinman44
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Since: 8.5.02
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#23 Posted on
    Originally posted by Bullitt
    So...after all this...

    Red Sox or Cubs, guys? Who do I root for?

    I gotta tell ya, I've can't get enough of Wood/Prior...but that comeback by the Red Sox was simply amazing...


The Red Sox. No World Series for the Cubs.
If both teams get in, get ready for Judgement Day, because the Second Coming will be nigh. I think there is something about it in the Book of Revelations.



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Corajudo
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Since: 7.11.02
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
I don't see how this is a hard question to answer. Unless you grew up a Sox fan or live in the Boston/New England area, then the Cubs are the definite choice. First off, I don't see the Sox as these big underdogs. They are always competitive and have had some really great teams. Also, they boast one of the highest payrolls in the game. On the other hand, the Cubs have been pretty crummy (at least for the past 50 years, aside from a couple of notable exceptions). If you want to talk about the TRUE underdog series, it's the NLCS matchup. The Red Sox in the World Series is not a shock, but you could have made a boatload of money betting a Marlins-Cubs NLCS just a couple of months ago.

I am an Astros fan--over the past 40 years the Sox franchise has enjoyed far more success than my Astros, yet the Sox are the 'cursed' franchise (maybe the Astros are suffering the ‘Dome Curse’ since they were the first team to play indoors). The Sox have had a Triple Crown winner, HOFers who played their entire career in the city, World Series appearances (in fact, more WS appearances than the Astros have NLCS appearances), more consistent success, Clemens and then Pedro, the list goes on. I think that there are a number of teams who wish they were 'cursed' like that. It would be hard to find something in sports more overblown and overrated than the 'Curse of the Bambino'.
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Since: 3.1.02
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Have your Astros been one strike away from a World Series championship, only to watch it all melt away?

Oh. You can wait out in the hall, then.




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Corajudo
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Since: 7.11.02
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by vsp
    Have your Astros been one strike away from a World Series championship, only to watch it all melt away?

    Oh. You can wait out in the hall, then.



You're missing the point--at least the Red Sox are getting the World Series and are a very successful franchise. Winning a lot of games every year, making the playoffs most years, going to World Series, etc. does not make a curse. The Cubs have not even BEEN to the Series in over 50 years--THAT is a curse. Any team with a $100 million plus payroll is not an underdog, no matter how much Sox fans bitch about the bullpen. Those teams are supposed to win.

My point remains that there are a lot of fans who would gladly 'suffer' from a 'curse' if it meant that their teams were enjoying the level of success achieved by the Red Sox over the past 40 years. And, I would love for my Astros to be one strike away from winning the World Series because that would mean that were in the World Series. And, if (when?) they blow a World Championship, I would bitch about that the same way I bitch about games 4&5 of the 1980 NLCS, blowing the 1981 NLDS, games 3 & 6 of the 1986 NLCS. Yet, at least they would have made the Series.
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Since: 3.1.02
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Corajudo
      Originally posted by vsp
      Have your Astros been one strike away from a World Series championship, only to watch it all melt away?

      Oh. You can wait out in the hall, then.



    You're missing the point--at least the Red Sox are getting the World Series and are a very successful franchise. Winning a lot of games every year, making the playoffs most years, going to World Series, etc. does not make a curse. The Cubs have not even BEEN to the Series in over 50 years--THAT is a curse.


Coming close and failing is not success, and hurts more than never coming close at all. If your team generally sucks every year, you don't have high expectations being constantly dashed.

Here's a fun l'il analogy:

Chuck and Bobby both have crushes on Sarah, who's the prettiest girl in school. Sarah spends much of her time dating one particular jock, but she dates around and flirts enough that at any given time, several guys think they have a shot at her.

Most of the time, Chuck figures Sarah's out of his league, and sits back while the bigger kids chase her. Once in a long while, he gathers up the nerve to ask her out; invariably, she says "No" and the jocks throw him in a dumpster.

Bobby is bigger and flashier than Chuck, and spends a lot more time and effort trying to get close to Sarah. She flirts back, but usually ditches him in mid-date for one of her usual jocks; Bobby is left hanging, but keeps thinking that next time will be different.

This one time, Sarah doesn't ditch Bobby; instead, she snuggles with him all through the movie, then says "Let's go to my house -- my parents are out of town" with a wink on the way to the car. They enter her house; she leads him upstairs, turns off all the lights, and tells Bobby to strip. He strips, excited beyond belief that his dreams are FINALLY coming true after so much frustration. He says, "I'm ready"... and the lights come on. She's fully-clothed and laughing hysterically; five jocks jump out of the closet, grab Bobby, drag him outside, pelt him with shit and throw his naked-and-bewildered ass in a dumpster.

Which guy would you rather be?

    Any team with a $100 million plus payroll is not an underdog, no matter how much Sox fans bitch about the bullpen. Those teams are supposed to win.


And thus I do not shed tears for the Baltimore Orioles.




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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
      Originally posted by Jakegnosis
        Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
        As for the Red Sox they always come off as heels that you are glad that the baseball god hit them with bad karma.


      The RED SOX are heels!? Do I smell a Yankees fan?

    Absolutely NOT. I do feel the Red Sox are heels, but the Yankees is on a whole different level. Yankees are like the McMahon's level of evil LoL


Gee, seems like nobody knew what it was like to be a Yankee fan in the 80's. Yeah, we had Mattingly, but that was about it.

My pick, Yankees. You want history? Fuck the curses, 25 championships in a century is screaming. The Yanks have a legacy to live up to. Chicago, and especially Boston, have legacies too. Unsuccessful ones. Sure, I wouldn't mind if the Cubbies made it, were media darlings, then got beat in the series by NY. But I'll be damn pissed to see the damn Red Sox make it.

And yes, I am the type of Yankee fan that hates the Red Sox, as opposed to some of the new breed.





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calvinh0560
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Since: 3.1.02
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Corajudo
    It would be hard to find something in sports more overblown and overrated than the 'Curse of the Bambino'.



The Curse was invented by Dan Shaughnessy to make alot of money. Most Boston fans know there is no such things as a curse. Really this is just here to help lazy sports writers to fill up a collum instead of doing real research. You want to know why the sox have not won anything.
1(and the most important). The Boston Bruins had a black player before the Sox. They were a rasict team for a long time.
2. They have always built their team around Fenway Park. Hitting for Power and players who just think about the wall and dont learn how to hit to all fields.
3. They were never the best team in the leauge
Big Bad
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Since: 4.1.02
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54

    3. They were never the best team in the leauge


Being the best team in the league rarely has anything to do with it...I'd say that at least half the time, the World Series is won by a team that combines both talent, getting on a roll, and luck. Just look at the last two years with Anaheim and Arizona.





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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Big Bad

      3. They were never the best team in the leauge


    Being the best team in the league rarely has anything to do with it...I'd say that at least half the time, the World Series is won by a team that combines both talent, getting on a roll, and luck. Just look at the last two years with Anaheim and Arizona.




There is a diference of having the most talent and being the best team. Anaheim last year was playing as good as anyone at the end of the season. They only lost one game to the A's when they ran off the 20 in a row streak. When you factor in everything (pitching, hitting, and fielding) Anaheim was the best team in the playoffs. Arizona I will give you. They just rode their two pitchers and up untill the WS their closer (KIM did have 3 saves and a 0.00ERA in the NLDS & NLCS).

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Since: 6.8.02
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.75
Cubs, no question.

Although I'm one of the long-suffering faithful, so it's not like there was a question at all.

My manager and I were discussing the whole "loveable losers" thing at work, and we agreed that we're perfectly content to become "arrogant asshole winners" from here on out.

However, if you want to get into pitiable suffering: We also discussed how it's been too long, way too long. My father never lived to see the Cubs win a pennant. Her parents never lived to see them win a World Series. There's plenty of time left for both of us, but that doesn't mean they can wait! Now is the time!

I could wax poetic on summers of years past, sitting in the bleachers at Wrigley, but instead I'll just say go Cubbies.

As for the AL, I usually don't give a crap, but any time the Yankees lose it's a good thing. Although it might be pretty sweet if the *Cubs* defeat the Yanks in the World Series, I'm stilling pulling for the Red Sox. For as long as the Yankees lose, what does it matter?



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.69
I can't cheer for the cubs since I am from St. Louis and city law prohibits any cub cheering. I would pull for Boston, but Red Sox fans kind of annoy me. I hate the yankees because I am sick of seeing them at the top all the damn time. So um...I guess go Marlins?



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.81
Except the Marlins are owned by Jeff Loria, who owned the Expos, and decided he didn't want to own them anymore, so he got Selig to give him a sweetheart deal to acquire the team in Florida. When he left Montreal, he gutted the franchise, taking the coaching staff, scouting staff, scouting records, computers, and whatever else he could get his grubby little hands on. If the unthinkable happens, and the WS is Yankees vs. Marlins, I'll be doing the unthinkable and pulling for the Yankees. At least Steinbrenner is up-front with his dickishness.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.24
But then you look at the Marlins, and what happened? Loria's manager (and father of the Demon) got shitcanned for abusing Florida's greatest resource: young pitching. Put in Jack McKeon, let the players have fun, and what happened? Wild card and a playoff win over the Giants. I think the Marlins are almost succeeding in spite of ownership, not because of it. They've got people there now who know how to win with that team, instead of run it into the ground... well, at least they've got people in the DUGOUT who won't run the team into the ground. Can't say the same for the owner.



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