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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
Well, usually I don't spend much time wallowing in the misery of others (as much as most wieners do), but there's a first time for everything. Here's a look at the buyrates for the recent WWE PPVs from 411...


WWE No Mercy, headlined by Vince McMahon vs. Stephanie McMahon, did roughly 200,000 buys. The WWE October PPV last year did roughly 300,000 buys. The WWE October PPV in 2001 did roughly 325,000 buys.

The second WWE Smackdown only PPV dropped 100,000 buys from the first.

The first WWE RAW only PPV did 325,000 buys, but the second RAW only PPV dropped to 260,000 buys.

WWE Summerslam in August did roughly 375,000 buys, way down from the roughly 500,000 buys that last year's Summerslam (headlined by The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar for the WWE Title) did. Summerslam in 2001 did roughly 550,000 buys.

Just for reference, the WWE InVasion PPV in July of 2001 did roughly 775,000 buys and WrestleMania in March of 2002 did 850,000 buys. It has been pretty much down hill since then.

Here is a look at all the PPV buyrates for this year compared to last:

January '03 - Royal Rumble: 500,000 buys ('02: 675,000 buys)
February '03 - No Way Out: 450,000 buys ('02: 550,000 buys)
March '03 - WrestleMania: 550,000 buys ('02: 850,000 buys)
April '03 - Backlash: 375,000 buys ('02: 400,000 buys)
May '03 - Judgment Day: 275,000 buys ('02: 375,000 buys)
June '03 - Bad Blood RAW-only: 325,000 buys ('02: 325,000 buys)
July '03 - Vengeance SD-only: 300,000 buys ('02: 375,000 buys)
August '03 - Summerslam: 375,000 buys ('02: 500,000 buys)
September '03 - Unforgiven RAW-only: 260,000 buys ('02: 300,000 buys)
October '03 - No Mercy SD-only: 200,000 buys ('02: 300,000 buys)


Ouch. Well, they reap what they sow, now don't they?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
If the October number holds up, that is getting close to WCW last few years territory in terms of the buyrate. Of course, the solution is simple: If 200,000 people will pay for 1 McMahon match, we should have 3 McMahon family member matches at the next PPV. That'll mean 600,000 buys. Throw all 5 members for Rumble to get 1 million, and top it off with Mania with Vince's brother from Texas getting a match, and Mania will have a whopping 1.2 million buys.

(edited by redsoxnation on 4.11.03 1221)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
I'm actually amazed that WM XIX only did 50,000 more buys than the Royal Rumble. I guess everyone was clamoring for the return of Taker, and then after getting into a story with Nate Jones he wasn't deemed as important. I think they really ruined Taker with his demotion, to the point that now people don't see Taker as a big threat (i.e. the low No Mercy buyrate).





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
Nah, I'd credit the Royal Rumble buyrate to Scott Steiner. Steiner hadn't wrestled yet and was getting big QH's on RAW. There was a lot of interest in him until he got exposed at the PPV.

So who's going to try to spin these numbers as WWE's problems being blown out of proportion again?
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.09
I credit the Royal Rumble's numbers on the Royal Rumble match itself. It's the only friggin' thing they do different all Goddamn year. Every other PPV is full of meaningless matches that are just like last month's meaningless matches, and will probably be voided by the meaningless matches on Raw/Smackdown.

The Royal Rumble match has always been a favorite for a lot of people.


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.71
fuelinjected: So who's going to try to spin these numbers as WWE's problems being blown out of proportion again?

ME! Sure they are down, but the McMahon's are attempting build seperate brands, which means every show (at this point) is not going to be a PPV spectacular - whether or not you think they are out of line charging $35 is another story (the alleged PPV they tried to pass off as "No Mercy" was, in my opinion, just about as low as they could go and the first one I haven't bought in years).

I think many people were spoiled during the late 90's (including Vince) thinking that whatever they put on TV would sucker people into buying the PPV - which for about 5 years was the case. I think a good sign is, for as much shit has been thrown against the wall (and as many "sure fire angles" have been blown), television ratings have remained steady, separate "brands" are being built and the shows are not as horrible as many people would have you believe...

I predict they will have several really good programs in place by the Rumble, leading up to a surefire killer show at WMXX. From there, as long as no one steps on their dicks, the rest of the year should garner some residual fall-out TV viewership and PPV buyrates from WM (much like 1998) and, I would imagine, more than a few "casual" fans (just like 1998).

If at this time next year (after a full 18 months of seperate brands and a historic WM) things are still down, I might be worried. Probably not. Besides, Vince has you by the balls(labia) with the DVDs...who ain't going to buy Flair?

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.18
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    fuelinjected: So who's going to try to spin these numbers as WWE's problems being blown out of proportion again?

    ME! Sure they are down, but the McMahon's are attempting build seperate brands, which means every show (at this point) is not going to be a PPV spectacular - whether or not you think they are out of line charging $35 is another story (the alleged PPV they tried to pass off as "No Mercy" was, in my opinion, just about as low as they could go and the first one I haven't bought in years).


That's exactly the prolem I see: We're asked to pay full price for half the roster. We get the same number of matches and wrestlers, yes, but they fill those slots with people who, as of yet, don't give us the full value that choosing from the entire cast of characters could provide. Adding McMahons in prominent matches reduces the amount of utilized wrestlers even further.




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
I think the low No Mercy buyrate has a lot to do with last year's No Mercy, headlined by Brock Lesnar defending the WWE Title against the Undertaker. Instead, this year, we got the Undertaker challenging Brock Lesnar for the WWE Title. We're getting the same crap over and over again.

Splitting the brands is causing more problems than it's solving, and the sad thing is that WWE is trying to drive that wedge even deeper by getting rid of WWE Magazine and making "SMACKDOWN! Magazine." Is the brand split really THAT promising? In the face of declining house show business are they really getting double their earnings?

The brand split isn't the main culprit, of course. WWE had problems long before it to the point where the brand split actually looked like a good idea. But, it's not a good idea.

Another poster here is right: The Royal Rumble is the only thing they do that's different every year. I remember when KOTR, WrestleMania, the Royal Rumble, and Survivor Series were distinct. They happened once a year and there was actually something that set them apart from each other. SummerSlam was sort of a mid-year WrestleMania, but it had a pretty standard card.

With this shallow brand extension, people aren't fooled. They know they're getting the same thing no matter which month it is. The solution isn't to recombine the rosters, but you know what? It's not going to make the problem any worse, either.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 4.11.03 1345)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    I predict they will have several really good programs in place by the Rumble, leading up to a surefire killer show at WMXX. From there, as long as no one steps on their dicks, the rest of the year should garner some residual fall-out TV viewership and PPV buyrates from WM (much like 1998) and, I would imagine, more than a few "casual" fans (just like 1998).

    If at this time next year (after a full 18 months of seperate brands and a historic WM) things are still down, I might be worried. Probably not. Besides, Vince has you by the balls(labia) with the DVDs...who ain't going to buy Flair?

    More on that topic here

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First Flea, thanks to your review of the DVD, I spent the 19.99 (1 week in and I got it on sale, so less money in Vince's pocket) for the NWA/Old WWF Cage Match DVD.
But, its been said ever since the road to Mania XVIII that everything is about to turn around, that Vince will pull out of the self-destruct mode like he did in the mid 90's, etc. However, at some point it has to be accepted that perhaps Vince has put things in a fatal freefall. Does it seem probable that Mania XX should be spectacular, yes. But everyone thought InVasion would be wonderful, and they fucked that up. And, after the Flair DVD, most of the long time fans will have the matches they've been waiting for, and can abandon ship completely, unless a Midnight Express or WarGames DVD is to come out in the future.
And, a major suggestion Vince could make to some of the people that work for him: Lock his refs in a room for 72 hours and force them to watch Tommy Young and how he refs a match, and force his below average speaking wrestlers to watch promo tapes from Crockett in the mid 80's to show how to cut a damn promo to make people care about a match. And then tear out the announce teams tongues, only allowing them to speak when necessary and not overshadow the damn match.

(edited by redsoxnation on 4.11.03 1720)


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
"If at this time next year (after a full 18 months of seperate brands and a historic WM) things are still down"

SPOILER: They will be. An historic WM 18 with the Rock/Hogan dream match did a one-shot great buyrate, but all business before and since has been abysmal. And the passing of time isn't going to get watered-down rosters an more over, only making new headliners will.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Hasn't many of the past numbers ended up changing months - even years? - later when more buyrate data is finnally accumalated? Meltzer did a quick story about this a month or more ago, where breakpoints on the graph changed.

I mean, I'm not saying the number won't be bad, but you could've kinda guess-emiated that ahead of time. Comparing the number three weeks out to other old numbers isn't likely to be accurate. Take 'em with a grain of salt.

Of course, the number could always go down. And WWE doesn't have months to wait to make decisions on what message to take from the numbers.



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#12 Posted on
For the record, here are some late WCW ppv buys. All from 2000-2001.

Bash did 100,000 buys.
Fall Brawl did 64,000 buys.
Havoc did 208,000 buys.
GAB did 80,000 buys.
Slamboree did 56,000 buys.
Uncensored did 52,000 buys.
Starrcade did 44,000 buys. (In 99 it did 128,000.)
Souled Out did 100,000 buys. (Same in 99)
Spring Stampede did 108,000 buys.
Superbrawl did 40,000 buys. (2001 did 60,000. MOMENTUM.)
Mayhem did 44,000 buys.
New Blood did 72,000 buys.
Sin did 68,000 buys.
Greed did 40,000 buys.

Havoc was headlined by Booker vs Steiner and a Goldberg three minute squash of Kronik. How it did that buyrate is beyond me. Other than that, WWE still has a ways to go before they fall into dying WCW territory. The rates are close to what WCW was doing in 99, but i don't see WWE falling too much more. Certainly not to the point where half they buyrates are less than 60,000. It's not all doom and gloom folks.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
2000 was just one year after 1999.

Next year, I think it's pretty safe to say that WrestleMania XX will draw a reasonably good buyrate (500,000?) based on nostalgia and a potentially stacked card (that we, currently, have no idea what will headline it is already a bad sign, though)

Considering that HHH vs Goldberg and Rock vs Goldberg, two supposed "dream matches" couldn't make the big spike, things aren't looking good. Then again, Goldberg was always overrated.

There really is no incentive to buy any of the PPVs that are out these days if WWE keeps up this rate. Currently, most of WWE's main event possibilities are worn out. Within the next year, I'm sure they'll try with Cena, Randy Orton, and some of those guys, but we'll see how far they go. You need old stars to make new stars, and the old stars were all demolished by HHH. At least when Austin rose, they had Bret and HBK groomed to put Austin over.

WWE is falling much more slowly than WCW did, and it's going to be at least two more years (at this rate, if it keeps up) to hit 2000 territory, but it is still very possible.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
One other thing the WWE has over WCW (back in its dying days) is merchandise. While no one is putting up near Austin-levels of merch these days, they're still selling enough that even if the buyrates drop to said WCW levels, they're still in a much better situation. Can't remember exactly what WCW's house shows did either, but I believe even the current WWE ones are in a much better situation right now.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.71
thecubsfan: Take 'em with a grain of salt.

damn straight...

F'N SHAPIRO: SPOILER: They will be. An historic WM 18 with the Rock/Hogan dream match did a one-shot great buyrate, but all business before and since has been abysmal. And the passing of time isn't going to get watered-down rosters an more over, only making new headliners will.

What happened to you? you used to be so ...positive...Da Meltz is a bad influence...

The Rock / Hogan match was neither historic, nor good. That, I believe, was a bone thrown to the lifelong fan, after Vince and Co fucked the Invasion up royally. They *had* to do something. I totally agree new headliners make the future, but Vince is looking long term and unfortunately, the way to get over (thanks to Paul E) is to kill yourself. WWE knows this and they are trying to reign these guys in, which, to anyone who watches, is fucking BORING. I go back to the Cage Match DVD...brutal stuff, but at least a broken chair to the eye is a little more "kayfabe" than Jeff Hardy and his corkscrew moonsault that the dumb asses didn't even bother to sell. Long term - Vince doesn't give a rat's ass about USA...WWE is a "brand" and there is a whole lot of China who don't know nothing from Arn, Tully and Dusty...only what Vince tells them and sells them. The long term is, in my opinion, what most of the smart people are missing. Kind of like when they said ECW would rule wrestling, besides being 3rd rate.

redsoxnation: First Flea, thanks to your review of the DVD, I spent the 19.99 (1 week in and I got it on sale, so less money in Vince's pocket) for the NWA/Old WWF Cage Match DVD.

GOOD! Hope you enjoyed it. But every dime you get on sale takes money out of the shareholders pocket - i.e, FLEA. But you ain't got to buy me Amazon products...I'm okay.

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WWE house shows are doing horribly. Of all aspects of WWE business right now, house shows are probably the worst.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.50
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    fuelinjected:Sure they are down, but the McMahon's are attempting build seperate brands,


Same thing we heard from Titan when the XFL was flopping.





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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Next year, I think it's pretty safe to say that WrestleMania XX will draw a reasonably good buyrate (500,000?) based on nostalgia and a potentially stacked card (that we, currently, have no idea what will headline it is already a bad sign, though)


I don't think you ever know what the Wrestlemania main event is goign to be half a year in advance. Last year, maybe, but did you know it was going to be HHH/Jericho for the Undisputed title before that? Or . . . Rock vs. Austin(?), and on down the list?



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Whatup Mach.

"What happened to you? you used to be so ...positive...Da Meltz is a bad influence..."

Hey. It was more Vince than Dave. I swear. I was "drinking Vince's Kool-Aid" and adoring the product so much and then he turned on me by putting on sucky shows. But just yesterday I wrote that I love Monday Night Raw. For now.

"The Rock / Hogan match was neither historic, nor good."

What I meant was that, whether or not it was either, it still made for the second biggest drawing PPV of all time, and the business still a-plummeted that year. So even if they could come up with a brand new dream match to headline Mania 20 (when there aren't any left), it wouldn't really turn anything around except for that one day.

(edited by JMShapiro on 4.11.03 2334)
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    So even if they could come up with a brand new dream match to headline Mania 20 (when there aren't any left)...


Austin vs. Goldberg
Michaels vs. Goldberg
Michaels vs. Rock
Undertaker vs. Goldberg
Lesnar vs. Goldberg
Angle vs. Goldberg
Angle vs. Michaels
Lesnar vs. Michaels
Lesnar vs. Austin
Lesnar vs. Triple H
Benoit vs. Goldberg
Benoit vs. Michaels
Booker T vs. Goldberg
Booker T vs. Lesnar
Guerrero vs. Goldberg
Guerrero vs. Lesnar
Guerrero vs. Michaels
Guerrero vs. Austin
Guerrero vs. Triple H
Jericho vs. Lesnar

There's 20 matches that I've never seen that I think would do well on PPV. All of them use current talent and would require very little set-up. Maybe December can be an open trade month.



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