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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Oh, and then there's this:

    [Sen. Orrin] Hatch has introduced a resolution to amend the Constitution's ban on non-American-born presidents by allowing people who have been U.S. citizens for at least 20 years to be elected to the White House. While the measure was not introduced with Schwarzenegger in mind, Hatch said the Austrian-born superstar would be a perfect example of why the constitutional amendment is needed.

    "If Arnold Schwarzenegger turns out to be the greatest governor of California, which I hope he will, if he turns out to be a tremendous leader and he proves to everybody in this country that he's totally dedicated to this country as an American . . . we would be wrong not to give him that opportunity," said Hatch.



Is anybody else getting a Demolition Man vibe from this?

Steph



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Reigstered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans by a million here in California. I'd say it's a democratic haven. I mean, we have Paid family and medical leave, for god's sakes.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.90
    Originally posted by Stephanie
      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      [Sen. Orrin] Hatch has introduced a resolution to amend the Constitution's ban on non-American-born presidents by allowing people who have been U.S. citizens for at least 20 years to be elected to the White House. While the measure was not introduced with Schwarzenegger in mind, Hatch said the Austrian-born superstar would be a perfect example of why the constitutional amendment is needed.

      "If Arnold Schwarzenegger turns out to be the greatest governor of California, which I hope he will, if he turns out to be a tremendous leader and he proves to everybody in this country that he's totally dedicated to this country as an American . . . we would be wrong not to give him that opportunity," said Hatch.



Is anybody else getting a Demolition Man vibe from this?

Steph

Props to Steph! Ha great Demolition Man mention.... One day your kids too can go to the "Schwarzenegger Presidential Library". And I'm sure it will have all the wrestling books Alessandro desires (wrestling forum tie-in)

I'm stealing this from The Daily show... Seeing how stars of The Predator (Ventura now Arnold) have become Governors. Can Carl Weathers and the Predator monster be next!

(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 9.10.03 0151)


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#24 Posted on
godking:
Many politicians may be idealouges, however, voters aren't. A vast majority of people think they are liberal or conservative, however, in reality they are a mixture of both. Ultimately, many tend to think with their hearts until they step intot he voting booth. And political definitions change. Today Nixon would be considered on the left of the Republican party. Clinton may have talked liberal but his presidency was not.
Most data I have seen nationally indicates that politicians aim for that 25 - 30% who don't make up their minds without considering who the candidates are. With California, people were just fed up and that goes out the window.



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#25 Posted on
    Originally posted by Michromee
    Reigstered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans by a million here in California. I'd say it's a democratic haven. I mean, we have Paid family and medical leave, for god's sakes.


As for paid family and medical leave, it's only half
pay for the first six weeks, effective 2004. Teachers
would still have to pay for a sub out of that money too.






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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
But it is still SIX WEEKS of pay for not working.

I am sorry, once upon a time, families saves for emergencies like that, rather than just letting the government take care of things for you.

Aside from that, buisnesses are leaving the state in droves. All this talk about buisnesses paying to take care of their employees is going to result in a state full of Burger Kings, and not much else. Why do buisness here in CA if you can go somewhere else and actually make a profit?



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
    Originally posted by Michromee
    Reigstered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans by a million here in California. I'd say it's a democratic haven. I mean, we have Paid family and medical leave, for god's sakes.


In a state of 30+ million, that's really not that huge of a gap. And if you look at the elected governors over the past 60 years or so, the Republican's outnumber Demorcats 6 to 3 (and if you go back father, it's something like 5 Democrats to 15 Repulicans since 1899). Senators and Congress-folk slightly lean towrds the Democrats, but not by much.

Sure, there are more Democrats, but it sure as hell isn't a "Democratic haven".

Businesses are leaving the state in droves because they have made pretty terrible descisions, and wonderful free-trade agreements like NAFTA are making it more affordable to outsource production to foriegn countries rather than pay Californian's a living wage.

Yeah, we have Paid Family and Medical leave, but we also had Prop 187 and Prop 209 pass. And our health care costs are absolutely outrageous.





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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by Leroy
    Sure, there are more Democrats, but it sure as hell isn't a "Democratic haven".

No, it's a left-wing haven

    Originally posted by Leroy
    Businesses are leaving the state in droves because they have made pretty terrible descisions, and wonderful free-trade agreements like NAFTA are making it more affordable to outsource production to foriegn countries rather than pay Californian's a living wage.
When we people learn that living wage/minimum wage laws cause inflation and higher prices, making it obviously costlier for businesses to operate. It's just easier to leave than it is to work with such an anti-business envrionment.

And while NAFTA is not perfect, don't blame California's radical anti-business mentality on free trade.

    Originally posted by Leroy
    And our health care costs are absolutely outrageous.

Ever think it's because of (gasp) government regulation?





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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
If all of the buisnesses are leaving California because of NAFTA and because they are making poor decisions, why are they all going to NEVADA then, instead of Mexico?

Add to this garbage like Universal Health Care, Family Leave Act, and all of the other programs our lovely state governments want to bill buisnesses for, it is no wonder they are leaving for other states in droves. I would absolutly hate to see what would have happened if Bustamonte would have won, and passed his $10 billion dollar tax increase for buisnesses.

So the argument is that the government wants to take care of people, and the greedy corperations should pay for it. Of course people like this, because if the government is taking care of them, then they have less responsibility. The point is though, no matter how "good" your intentions are, things like this just do not work. Buisnesses just are not going to remain in a hostile environment like California when they can just as easily go to another state, where they will have a higher profit margin. Even if this was a nationwide issue, there is always somewhere else to go in the world where they can do buisness cheaper and make more money.

So the result of all of these programs is the big companies jump ship, and the small buisnesses get crushed under the weight of government taxation. I am sorry, but free healthcare for everyone means squat when no one has a job to put food on the table or pay rent.

(edited by Pool-Boy on 9.10.03 1243)


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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I blame California's problems on my ideological rivals, whoever they happen to be.



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