Don't forget my new favorite, Chris Harvard. I see the slow slide back to gimmicks as well, and I'm not entirely unhappy with it. As long as they keep some of the more complex characterization as well, I will be happy with it.
"Nothing remains interesting where anything may happen." -H.G. Wells
I'd say that the gimmicks have always been there, and that as a character becomes more developed and less "new" the gimmick should (IMO and theoretically) become more subtle.
The Rock is still a cocky asshole and a bully. He just gets cheered now as opposed to when he was originally feuding with Foley. In fact, every one of his interviews is almost certainly prefaced on him bullying the correspondent.
Chris Nowinski (Harvard) Has a great gimmick, and I DID mention him. It seems like he is going the same route, character wise, that Kurt Angle did. I loved it when he chastized the crowd about booing a Harvard graduate.
Of COURSE there has always been gimmicks. But look how weak they have become?
The Rock has not has a solid, interesting gimmick since his face turn. He has been repetitive and dull, and his character has no depth. Who cares that he bullies announcers? All he does nowadays is make fun of people, and not very well. Last Monday when Eddie came out and had me in stitches with his incredible promo about his kids, and the Rock replied with a TERRIBLE La Bamba, I could not believe it. When he was a heel, the act was believable. As a face, and for the last several years, it has just lost all of its impact. Yes, the Rock has MANY subtle nuances to his gimmick, but that is it. There is no longer a "core," and it is not interesting.
Same for Stone Cold. The BEST thing that happened to his character was his heel turn. It breathed new life into a dying character, and gave the gimmick a new heart. Vince made a huge mistake allowing the fans to turn him face again. Besides- he is gone. And I do not miss him at all.
I mentioned Regal. I love his gimmick. The WWE needs more of that.
We have not seen a heel HHH in forever. And every time it has been teased, he returns to his latest gimmick "20 minute promo man." And they are boring at that. The old "face destroying" HHH was the possible exception to the rule, a character who's gimmick surrounds "kicking ass" and doing it well. I miss it, and I doubt we will ever see it again.
Austin, Rock, and HHH all had the core of their gimmicks stripped, and just became wrestlers who kick ass. And now that almost everyone is like that, what kind of impact do people like Brock Lesnar and Bastista HOPE to have with their "Destroyer" gimmicks? Its old news. They would be so much more a threat if every other wrestler did not have some variation on that theme. The fact that they can fight well should be secondary, because it should be obvious. Who would "wrestle" if they were not good at fighting?
I miss RTC. That was a great gimmick that was not given enough of a push. Look at Golddust! Booker T! Those are gimmicks that the crowd eats up. Even RVD's "laid back, take all comers" works when they use it right.
It seems like the WWE is coming around, but usually they start down the right road, and then jump right back to the old tired one. I hope it sticks this time, and gets better.
The Rock was the biggest star in the WWF because Vince told us he was. AS I recall, the internet has been on FIRE for the last few years screaming for new blood in the upper Main Event. Apparantly a lot of people were not listening to Vince. And that "stardom" sure did a lot for the ratings on his latest return to the ring, proving again that his character is losing the fans. As far as Stone Cold "tanking the WWF" as a heel- I fail to see the connection. What? I said I fail to see the connection. What? Your point. What? What the hell you mean. What? What it is your flapping your gums about. What tanked the WWF during the Invasion was BAD BOOKING. Heel Stone Cold was the most over part of the whole WWF (With the possible exception of Angle) during those few moths. You want to know what my watch says? It says it is time for you to think through your arguments a little more-
"The Rock was the biggest star in the WWF because Vince told us he was."
Oh man, it's that easy. He should just say Brock is the new big star and then Brock will have a year like Rock did in 2000, where he headlined during the most profitable year in the history of the company. Doing a babyface act that apparently wasn't any good.
"As far as Stone Cold "tanking the WWF" as a heel- I fail to see the connection."
You don't see the connection from 5.7 to 4.2 in seven weeks from the day after WrestleMania X7 to the end of May? Business tanking after he turned? He was an awesome heel but people sure did like that stale face character. So much that they wouldn't pay to see him as a heel.
Anyway, RTC good, Austin and Rock bad. I got it. ;)
In case you hadn't noticed, Vince IS telling us that Brock is the "Next Big Thing." And contrary to what you read online, it IS starting to work with the Marks.
Why are you so threatened that I DO think that RTC was better than the current gimmick incarnations of the Rock and HHH? I do not think that either of them should be gotten rid of, because quite frankly the Rock is a fantastic performer, but we are tlaking about gimmicks here. It is possible to "like" a wrestler without likig his gimmick.My point is that while the Rock and such are excellent performers, and CAN engage the crowd, their lack of gimmick makes storywriting difficult and as a result, the WWE is losing the casual fan.
Originally posted by ScorpioActually, I don't think RVD has much of a gimmick at all. The crowd loves him because of his look (which I hate) and his in-ring performance. People cheer him, not his 'promos.'
I get such a kick out of RVD "gimmick" It's so funny. On a hyper scale out of 10 everyone is pushing 8, 9, 11 on the scale. RVD is on a 3 if he's really mad maybe 5 (lol)
He's also a totally friendly dude, Terri wins the hardcore title for 5 seconds while interviewing the Stevie Richards and later on she interviews RVD and he says "First off I have to congradulate you for winning the Hardcore title". And him giving the thumbs up to Lilian Garcia for getting his name and info right. (lol)
I don't get it, everyone loves rats, but they don't want to drink the rats milk?
RVD's gimmick is great. I really can't add much to that- he is so laid back and low key. I think he has improved in the ring a great deal since he started in the WWE (At first I could not stand him- he was all high spots with NO flow, but that has changed a bit)., and his gimmick has become a lot more enjoyable...
Rougeau and IWS. I have a philosophical difficulty with going to see the FLQ. I made cfgb a HUUUUGE list of all the feds kicking around and I suppose at some point I should check them all out, but that is a project for when I have some free-time.