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Since: 15.1.02
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#41 Posted on
I usually play SYM or VC while Raw is on and flip back and forth. I didn't watch it all but it sounds like I caught the good parts.

The Flair promo was like watching a master at work. You can tell he's shooting when he keeps bringing up Arn. Hell of a promo.

Damn shame CRZ doesn't do special editions for cool stuff like that. I'd like to read his take on at least that part.

RVD vs. Bautista got the 2 minute limit and didn't make it...too predictable.

Booker T and Goldie IMO has run it's course. It was very painful watching Booker T do the Goldust thing. For some reason I think Booker would be better with William Regal.

Jeff Hardy vs. HHH..whatever..click..."Daddy stop bleeding"


(edited by NEO on 10.12.02 0554)


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#42 Posted on

    Originally posted by Mr Heel II

      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Well, in my book, RVD getting involved w/ Kane & 3MW doesn't seem like a step up for a guy who was competing for the title 1 month ago, and #1 contender for the belt 3 weeks ago.
    True, but SOMEBODY has to put the new talent over, and who else on the roster who is established is going to do that? Answer: NOBODY.

So, you don't have a problem w/ Raw's #1 face being used to build up new talent? Because that's not what my plan would be when Raw is struggling for ME faces.



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#43 Posted on
You know, I might have enjoyed Raw if it weren't for some seriously nagging questions I have...

Like, why are they teaming Nowinski with D-Lo when a Snow/Maven/Nowinski storyline would be strong enough on its own?

Why are they teaming Victoria, who they've been building rather impressively for some time now, with Steven Richards, who has failed to get over with every gimmick save for the RTC?

Why are they thinking of cutting Raven, when he might actually freshen up the mid-card on Raw?

Why do we have to see Jacqueline, when she receives no pop at all(sort of an anti-pop, without the heat)?

Why book Batista vs. RVD when they know it'll be a non-finish?

Why bury RVD when he might actually freshen up the main event at Armageddon?

I'd love to know the answers to those...
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Stevie never really had a gimmick or direction outside of the RTC. Most of the time they just threw him out there and let him job. He does have great charisma and is awesome on the mic. They just need to find a gimmick to take advantage of that.

HBK proved that his acting ability on that last promo is NOT why he is called the Showstopper.

A solid 'eh.'



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DTD: If you were to make changes in WCW, if you were in charge and not Ric Flair, what would they be?

SS: I'd get rid of all the old guys, and push the talent that has waited to get the push. The things they are doing, it's back in the 1980s. It's just bad, man. Flair doesn't even deserve to be on the show. You've got to get rid of all the old guys. Like what Vince did, they started pushing guys. Nobody knew who The Rock was 2 years ago. He made The Rock. Now The Rock just did Saturday Night Live. You've got to start with the young talent, talent people can relate to. Who are we trying to relate to if we've got a 50 year old man out there? Are we trying to relate, so a 50 year people and above will go out and buy a f*cking little toy? That ain't gonna happen. It's a f*cking joke.

Does it remind you of any show in particular?
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#45 Posted on

    Why bury RVD when he might actually freshen up the main event at Armageddon?

But...but...he's *not* being buried. He's being continuously built up as a credible contender. You must be *blind* if you can't see that.

Or so I've been told.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74

    Originally posted by GRL
    Like, why are they teaming Nowinski with D-Lo when a Snow/Maven/Nowinski storyline would be strong enough on its own?


But the storyline only gets interesting if and when Maven turns on Snow -- a move which is WAY overdue.

PS: Jericho&Christian squinting, trying to see what the hell a screwball Victoria was staring into space at, was laugh-out-loud funny.

but PPS: The main event tag match was drop-dead dull. It was painful seeing the crowd become LESS involved (and even MORE quiet) with each run-in. Just awful.
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#47 Posted on
Jericho and Christian staring off into space trying to figure out what Victoria was looking at is the funniest thing I've seen on a rassling show in some time.

Notice that they are showing Austin on all the Retro moments....and JR brings him up almost every show (last night in the 2-of-3 falls match with HHH).

Also, maybe I'm just nieve, but I thought HBK's promo sounded a little weird because it kinda sounded like he had the breath knocked out of him...like he had just jumped off of a semi truck or something. But maybe it's just me.



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Since: 31.5.02
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#48 Posted on
HHH is awsome over, HBK is the future of wrestling, Raw kicked ass, JR and the King are hip, hot crowd, great storylines, excellent use of talent, Jeff Hardy is awsome, Vince is still a genius, Rosie and
Jamal are just big-boned, Batista is not on juice nor is anyone else on the roster, all WWE tits are real,
Al Snow is still entertaining in the ring, Rock can't hardly wait to start wrestling again, I'll only stick the head in, the check is in the mail, and that outfit does not make you look fat.
dMr
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Since: 2.11.02
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#49 Posted on

    Originally posted by GRL
    Why bury RVD when he might actually freshen up the main event at Armageddon?


And see this is the sort of double standards that really piss me off. RVD is not, repeat not being buried. Buried would mean not winning a no. 1 contenders match, losing clean to HBK and HHH (not no-finish and chair shot), and it would most certainaly mean jobbing to Batista, the monster who squashed everyone he's come across so far.

Because HHH/HBK are the ones holding the belt, as soon as anyone loses to them, regardless of the manner in which it happens, unless they're right back next week winning a rematch then they're 'being buried'. Mean time everyone is quite willing to accept Edge as being super over on SD even though the last time he fought for the title he got squashed by one of the few men to job to Jeff Hardy in recent times, and now he's fighting and probably losing to Albert. Do we hear cries of Brock and Show are holding everyone down on SD? No, cause thats not the fashionable thing to do.

At least on RAW we see these new guys have a shot at the title every now and again, and when they do they DO NOT lose clean. Granted some of the main event level bookings sucked lately, but storywise it makes sense to have HHH win the belt back of HBK. Just imagine if they have a great fight (and dont forget the last one they had was a MOTY contender in many peoples eyes) over three falls, and THEN RVD or Booker or Y2J or whoever wins the belt of triple H in 2-3 months time. Wouldn't that be better than Rob winning it now of HBK?



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#50 Posted on
    Originally posted by The Amazing Salami
    Jericho and Christian staring off into space trying to figure out what Victoria was looking at is the funniest thing I've seen on a rassling show in some time.




Yeah, that cracked me up! They were like, "what's happening over there? I don't see anything." LMAO! Personally I wouldn't mind some Vitamin C myself, but... damn I already had some orange juice, damn it! Okay Raw, and Flair never, EVER sucks.

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Since: 13.7.02
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#51 Posted on

    Originally posted by dMr

      Originally posted by GRL
      Why bury RVD when he might actually freshen up the main event at Armageddon?


    And see this is the sort of double standards that really piss me off. RVD is not, repeat not being buried. Buried would mean not winning a no. 1 contenders match, losing clean to HBK and HHH (not no-finish and chair shot), and it would most certainaly mean jobbing to Batista, the monster who squashed everyone he's come across so far.

    Because HHH/HBK are the ones holding the belt, as soon as anyone loses to them, regardless of the manner in which it happens, unless they're right back next week winning a rematch then they're 'being buried'. Mean time everyone is quite willing to accept Edge as being super over on SD even though the last time he fought for the title he got squashed by one of the few men to job to Jeff Hardy in recent times, and now he's fighting and probably losing to Albert. Do we hear cries of Brock and Show are holding everyone down on SD? No, cause thats not the fashionable thing to do.

    At least on RAW we see these new guys have a shot at the title every now and again, and when they do they DO NOT lose clean. Granted some of the main event level bookings sucked lately, but storywise it makes sense to have HHH win the belt back of HBK. Just imagine if they have a great fight (and dont forget the last one they had was a MOTY contender in many peoples eyes) over three falls, and THEN RVD or Booker or Y2J or whoever wins the belt of triple H in 2-3 months time. Wouldn't that be better than Rob winning it now of HBK?



Wow... what a great idea! Why didn't the bookers think of that??

*end sarcasm*

Sorry to disappoint you, but you don't hear cries of Brock Lesnar holding people down over on Smackdown possibly because for the most part his role in the main event is fresh and the booking is at least trying new ideas with new people. Brock Lesnar is a breath of fresh air compared to having Hogan or Undertaker the champ over on Smackdown, and that's a small reason(I said small... I recognize the Smackdown Six's reeking of awesomeness) it's considered a better show than Raw.

Meanwhile, over on Raw, ratings and revenue is WAY down, as it tends to always be when a Clique member is at the top(and Triple H's exception back in 99/00 is due to the ridiculous over-ness of a certain Rock-E bringing in casual fans at his peak). You've got storylines that go nowhere, and talent that the crowd actually CHEERS for ala Booker and RVD, and instead you have Hunter and Shawn dominating the shows. Why? Fashionable or not, the fans aren't buying it, and don't even try to say that the casual mark fan loves Triple H, because those fans are gone or on their way out.

As for RVD being booked against Batista, it was almost a little insulting, since you KNEW there was no way either man would go over the other one clean. Job Batista, and you injure that project. Job RVD, and you admit you have nothing for him to do. Give me a break. Perhaps if the creative team could book the 'star' Triple H in a convincing angle where he puts someone over (overdue since Mania of '00, I might add), let alone someone not his buddy, then we could talk.
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Since: 2.11.02
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#52 Posted on
Wow, slow down. My point was simply that it now seems no matter what HHH does now there seems to be a section of us that will flame him. I aint in love with the guy, check out some of my previous posts.

I wasn't having a go at Brock by any means. It's just that everyone seems to expect HHH to put over a new star every week and slams him when he doesnt. Mean time Edge manages to get over without ever being in the title picture on SD.

I'm hoping right now that like I said HHH has a brutal match with HBK, and for the first time in a long time comes out looking like a deserved winner. None of this the heel must cheat to win shit we've had lately. But an all out brawl with both men giving it everything and HHH coming out on top. Then preferably at WM have HHH LOSE in a similar match to RVD or Booker so that they get a good amount of credibility out of the title win.

they booked themselves into a corner by handing HHH the title without a match, and as a result giving it to anyone else now would make that run devalued.





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#53 Posted on
I'm a RVD booster ... but I would have happily accepted his losing clean to HBK two weeks ago (I'm not of the school that believes if Wrestler X jobs to Wrestler Y, it means that X is forevermore considered inferior to Y). What I object to is having him used simply as a vehicle to further the Triple H/HBK feud, rather than having a program of his own. It's one thing for his character to be "laid-back"; it's another thing for him to constantly take shit from Triple H without ever answering back.

And last week was simply indefensible. Point me to the match where Brock or Big Show took almost all of Edge's offense and still kicked out of it, even with the ref cheating in Edge's favor every step of the way.

This week, with RVD stuck in a throwaway match with Batista, does nothing to counteract the impression that RVD is irrelevant. Even when Edge is feuding with a relative nonentity like Albert, he gets treated like a star -- the booking of last Thursday's four-way made Edge look like a million bucks, even though he jobbed. What does RVD get? A three-minute no-contest against some guy who's just starting a monster heel run.



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#54 Posted on
It wasn't an awesome show, it was in the decent/good category, which is much better. I'd rather see Vince pull 5-6 decent/good RAW's in a row out instead of 1 awesome RAW, a good RAW, and 4 crap shows out. The need is to steady the ship if there is to be any Rumble thru Mania momentum.
Someone should remind them of the first rule of wrestling: When Flair cuts one of his classic promos, don't let anyone else say anything after him, because they will sound horrendous.
If ever there was a match I was hoping would be a squash, it was the Jeff Hardy match. At least they aren't going to try to push him again.
Since JR is now saying puppies more than Lawler, is there a group rate at the vet to fix both of them?
Never have been a fan of intergender or table matches, so the run in's in the main event didn't really spoil the match for me.
Hopefully this will be the last appearance of Jacqueline on RAW until the next Texas tour (and please don't bring her back as a ref).
Three Minute Warning are moving towards Harris Brother level of uselessness.
If Jeff Hardy is ever going to get airtime again, put him with Rico, and play off the undertones.

(edited by redsoxnation on 10.12.02 1244)


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Since: 2.11.02
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#55 Posted on

    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    I'm a RVD booster ... but I would have happily accepted his losing clean to HBK two weeks ago (I'm not of the school that believes if Wrestler X jobs to Wrestler Y, it means that X is forevermore considered inferior to Y). What I object to is having him used simply as a vehicle to further the Triple H/HBK feud, rather than having a program of his own. It's one thing for his character to be "laid-back"; it's another thing for him to constantly take shit from Triple H without ever answering back.

    And last week was simply indefensible. Point me to the match where Brock or Big Show took almost all of Edge's offense and still kicked out of it, even with the ref cheating in Edge's favor every step of the way.

    This week, with RVD stuck in a throwaway match with Batista, does nothing to counteract the impression that RVD is irrelevant. Even when Edge is feuding with a relative nonentity like Albert, he gets treated like a star -- the booking of last Thursday's four-way made Edge look like a million bucks, even though he jobbed. What does RVD get? A three-minute no-contest against some guy who's just starting a monster heel run.



To paraphrase a wise man "I want you to know I agree with everything you just said". Well pretty much anyway

Losing one match to a guy does not make you eternally his bitch as you said.

The booking of the special ref match was as JR might say bowling shoe ugly. I have no idea whatsoever why it was booked that way, cos nobody came out of that looking good(including HHH).

RVD's character does piss me off a bit and I really wish he would stand up for himself a bit more in his promos. But that means theres room for change in his character. Maybe they'll have somebody fire him up and provide him with that edge (no pun intended) that will finally let him win the title.

It's just the "its HHH, ergo not only is it bad but its bad solely because of HHH" attitude from some that annoys me



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#56 Posted on
I also think that some of the posters were too hard on Vanilla Sky. If he thought RAW was awesome, then that's his opinion. Several posts think he's wrong. That's their opinion. To each his own, remember? I thought RAW wasn't special, but looking back at the tape, it was certainly not bad at all. AND, it didn't end with anybody who's last name was Wilson. Another bonus that we conveniently overlooked.

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#57 Posted on

    Originally posted by dMr
    Wow, slow down. My point was simply that it now seems no matter what HHH does now there seems to be a section of us that will flame him. I aint in love with the guy, check out some of my previous posts.

    I wasn't having a go at Brock by any means. It's just that everyone seems to expect HHH to put over a new star every week and slams him when he doesnt. Mean time Edge manages to get over without ever being in the title picture on SD.

    I'm hoping right now that like I said HHH has a brutal match with HBK, and for the first time in a long time comes out looking like a deserved winner. None of this the heel must cheat to win shit we've had lately. But an all out brawl with both men giving it everything and HHH coming out on top. Then preferably at WM have HHH LOSE in a similar match to RVD or Booker so that they get a good amount of credibility out of the title win.

    they booked themselves into a corner by handing HHH the title without a match, and as a result giving it to anyone else now would make that run devalued.




I agree wholeheartedly with that last point. My major gripe, I suppose, comes in the fact that I'm watching the show become less and less watchable both to me and to a casual fan. It's not simply a matter of having the belt mean something... it's a matter of having it mean something NOW, and having it be used to elevate new stars and new people so that business may turn around, because right now, it's tanking.

I don't know for sure that the run would be devalued by giving it to someone like Booker or RVD... I just don't see why one of those two could have been put in the position HBK is in. As much as I enjoy his sentimental last run, it doesn't work for business(see Hogan, Hulk), and that's what needs the boost.
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#58 Posted on

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Hopefully this will be the last appearance of Jacqueline on RAW until the next Texas tour (and please don't bring her back as a ref).


no, we're bringing her to the pay-per-view match, to remind everyone that she beat victoria cleanly in a five-minute match when trish couldn't do it at a pay-per-view. so bizarre.
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#59 Posted on

    Originally posted by dMr

      Originally posted by GRL
      Why bury RVD when he might actually freshen up the main event at Armageddon?


    And see this is the sort of double standards that really piss me off. RVD is not, repeat not being buried. Buried would mean not winning a no. 1 contenders match, losing clean to HBK and HHH (not no-finish and chair shot), and it would most certainaly mean jobbing to Batista, the monster who squashed everyone he's come across so far.

    Because HHH/HBK are the ones holding the belt, as soon as anyone loses to them, regardless of the manner in which it happens, unless they're right back next week winning a rematch then they're 'being buried'. Mean time everyone is quite willing to accept Edge as being super over on SD even though the last time he fought for the title he got squashed by one of the few men to job to Jeff Hardy in recent times, and now he's fighting and probably losing to Albert. Do we hear cries of Brock and Show are holding everyone down on SD? No, cause thats not the fashionable thing to do.

    At least on RAW we see these new guys have a shot at the title every now and again, and when they do they DO NOT lose clean. Granted some of the main event level bookings sucked lately, but storywise it makes sense to have HHH win the belt back of HBK. Just imagine if they have a great fight (and dont forget the last one they had was a MOTY contender in many peoples eyes) over three falls, and THEN RVD or Booker or Y2J or whoever wins the belt of triple H in 2-3 months time. Wouldn't that be better than Rob winning it now of HBK?



Speaking of which...can somebody let me know when the last time was that Triple H won ANY big match completely cleanly?

HHH's matches since turning heel:

-Eight-man tag win with Storm/Christian/Test against Rock/Taker/Booker/Goldust(Test pinned Taker).
-Non-finish with Rocky.
-Loss to Michaels in a street fight(said to be HHH's kind of match, where he beat Mick Foley at his own game).
-Beat Taker(after a chairshot by Lesnar).
-Beat Flair(low blow with the ref's attention elsewhere, then Pedigree).
-Pinned by RVD in a tag match after a title belt Van Daminator and the five-star.
-Beat Spike clean(after needing to get a foot on the ropes to escape defeat after the Acid Drop).
-Beat Jeff Hardy clean.
-Beat RVD at Unforgiven(after Flair bashed RVD with the sledgehammer to make him vulnerable to being Pedigreed).
-Tag win with Flair over RVD and Buh-Buh(Flair pinned Buh-Buh).
-Beat Buh-Buh clean(though he needed Flair's distraction to save him from defeat after a Buh-Buh Bomb).
-Beat D-Lo in a blindfold match(after Flair distracts the ref and HHH takes off the blindfold just long enough to hit the Pedigree).
-Beat RVD in the lumberjack/strap match(locked the face lumberjacks in their dressing room, only got in offense when the heel lumberjacks turned the tide, face 'jacks came out, RVD had it won ANYWAY with the five-star, Flair hit him with the title belt, HHH got the pin).
-Beat Kane at No Mercy after the 82nd Airborne got involved(or maybe just Flair and the sledgehammer).
-Tag loss with Flair against RVD and Kane(RVD pinned Flair).
-Casket match loss to HHH(after Shawn's superkick).
-Tag loss with Jericho against Kane and Booker(Booker pinned HHH after Shawn's superkick).
-Beat Booker(Flair interference, low blow, Pedigree).
-Ten-man tag win on Super Tuesday(Flair chairshot on Kane sets up the Pedigree).
-Loses the title completely cleanly to Michaels at Survivor Series after scoring a grand total of zero eliminations(two Pedigrees, one on Kane after Shawn superkicked Kane to break up a Tombstone, the other on Shawn who kicked out at 2 1/2).
-Beat RVD last week(via the completely legal Greco-Roman steel chair to the skull).
-Beat Jeff Hardy clean last night.

Wow, they sure do book HHH to look strong against...um...Jeff Hardy and the Dudleys...

-Patrick
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#60 Posted on

    Originally posted by PowerPB13

      Originally posted by dMr

        Originally posted by GRL
        Why bury RVD when he might actually freshen up the main event at Armageddon?


      And see this is the sort of double standards that really piss me off. RVD is not, repeat not being buried. Buried would mean not winning a no. 1 contenders match, losing clean to HBK and HHH (not no-finish and chair shot), and it would most certainaly mean jobbing to Batista, the monster who squashed everyone he's come across so far.

      Because HHH/HBK are the ones holding the belt, as soon as anyone loses to them, regardless of the manner in which it happens, unless they're right back next week winning a rematch then they're 'being buried'. Mean time everyone is quite willing to accept Edge as being super over on SD even though the last time he fought for the title he got squashed by one of the few men to job to Jeff Hardy in recent times, and now he's fighting and probably losing to Albert. Do we hear cries of Brock and Show are holding everyone down on SD? No, cause thats not the fashionable thing to do.

      At least on RAW we see these new guys have a shot at the title every now and again, and when they do they DO NOT lose clean. Granted some of the main event level bookings sucked lately, but storywise it makes sense to have HHH win the belt back of HBK. Just imagine if they have a great fight (and dont forget the last one they had was a MOTY contender in many peoples eyes) over three falls, and THEN RVD or Booker or Y2J or whoever wins the belt of triple H in 2-3 months time. Wouldn't that be better than Rob winning it now of HBK?



    Speaking of which...can somebody let me know when the last time was that Triple H won ANY big match completely cleanly?

    HHH's matches since turning heel:

    -Eight-man tag win with Storm/Christian/Test against Rock/Taker/Booker/Goldust(Test pinned Taker).
    -Non-finish with Rocky.
    -Loss to Michaels in a street fight(said to be HHH's kind of match, where he beat Mick Foley at his own game).
    -Beat Taker(after a chairshot by Lesnar).
    -Beat Flair(low blow with the ref's attention elsewhere, then Pedigree).
    -Pinned by RVD in a tag match after a title belt Van Daminator and the five-star.
    -Beat Spike clean(after needing to get a foot on the ropes to escape defeat after the Acid Drop).
    -Beat Jeff Hardy clean.
    -Beat RVD at Unforgiven(after Flair bashed RVD with the sledgehammer to make him vulnerable to being Pedigreed).
    -Tag win with Flair over RVD and Buh-Buh(Flair pinned Buh-Buh).
    -Beat Buh-Buh clean(though he needed Flair's distraction to save him from defeat after a Buh-Buh Bomb).
    -Beat D-Lo in a blindfold match(after Flair distracts the ref and HHH takes off the blindfold just long enough to hit the Pedigree).
    -Beat RVD in the lumberjack/strap match(locked the face lumberjacks in their dressing room, only got in offense when the heel lumberjacks turned the tide, face 'jacks came out, RVD had it won ANYWAY with the five-star, Flair hit him with the title belt, HHH got the pin).
    -Beat Kane at No Mercy after the 82nd Airborne got involved(or maybe just Flair and the sledgehammer).
    -Tag loss with Flair against RVD and Kane(RVD pinned Flair).
    -Casket match loss to HHH(after Shawn's superkick).
    -Tag loss with Jericho against Kane and Booker(Booker pinned HHH after Shawn's superkick).
    -Beat Booker(Flair interference, low blow, Pedigree).
    -Ten-man tag win on Super Tuesday(Flair chairshot on Kane sets up the Pedigree).
    -Loses the title completely cleanly to Michaels at Survivor Series after scoring a grand total of zero eliminations(two Pedigrees, one on Kane after Shawn superkicked Kane to break up a Tombstone, the other on Shawn who kicked out at 2 1/2).
    -Beat RVD last week(via the completely legal Greco-Roman steel chair to the skull).
    -Beat Jeff Hardy clean last night.

    Wow, they sure do book HHH to look strong against...um...Jeff Hardy and the Dudleys...

    -Patrick



Well, that works both ways. How many times has HHH been beaten cleanly? You can use all the sarcasm you want to, there is no way I am going to buy that he hasn't been booked to appear super strong. He verbally castrated Ric Flair and Flair's response was to help HHH and be his lackey while singing HHH's praises. HHH constantly wins his 1 on 1 matches with RVD, even when RVD had the referee blatantly cheating to help him. He antagonized Kane by calling him a murderer and accusing him of necrophilia and then HHH beat Kane, therefore never getting his comeuppance. They had HHH beat the Undertaker for the #1 contender spot in Undertaker's last match on Raw and then they made the allusion that Brock Lesnar left Raw to avoid having to fight HHH.

Wow, they sure don't make HHH look dominant.
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Good question, but if they did I wouldn't even BOTHER watching RAW, EVER. Which is one thing that makes me think they will not make the switch, at least not a total one.
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