- Y2J = no respect. Not only do they cut him off mid-promo (while letting worse promos play out), he still can't win.
- Could you imagine the ratings free-fall if the Un-Americans really *had* lit up that flag?
- Welcome Back, Kane. Halfway decent Kane-a-rooney. Don't understand the belts and straps on the outfit, though.
- Lillian wears a gown that would be hard enough to wear normally, much less in a match. She's either going to lose quickly (which the crowd would like) or beat Finkel (much more likely).
- Finkel loses the tuxedo match, which apparently means that Lillian is the permanent RAW announcer. Did we really need to see Finkel in his underwear?
- So - what *is* the deal with the Hardcore Title? Gone? Combined with the IC Title? Awaiting re-invention?
- HHH really could have let Undertaker win. Undertaker would have let Lesnar get a good title defense. Given HHH's shrunken jobbing rate, I seriously wonder whether he'll leave the next PPV as champion again.
- Hey Steph, nice rack. How much helium do those tanks carry?
- Lesnar exclusive to Smackdown!? To borrow phrases...the hell?!? Crops?!?
More wrong than right tonight, I'm afraid.
(edited by Stephanie on 26.8.02 2301) I'm going twenty-four hours a day...I can't seem to stop
A pretty good Raw to follow up on Summerslam. Viewership will be high as interest peaks on the night following the PPV. Pay attention to that last statement, because it's important.
GOOD: -RVD/Dreamer: Another good match to bring back memories of ECW. The Hardcore title is now dead, even though there was really no need to kill it. The only thing that really needed to die was that stupid 24/7 rule. Oh well. Back to Jobberville for poor Dreamer.
-The WHA?!?!: Did I just see the KANE-A-ROONIE?!?! Now THAT'S how you bring back Kane! And it's nice to see the writer's didn't forget his new "Freaks are cool!" persona. Now get thee to the main event, Kane!
BAD: -Tradition Bites: "Tradition Bites" was a big idea back in the days of Nitro's prime. So it doesn't surprise me that Jimmy Snuka got abused tonight. It wasn't enough for the Island Boyz to beat the hell out of him, but Jericho too? Geeze, that's the way to treat a legend these days, I guess. Talk about cheap heat.
-NOT A...uh...wait: Let's go back in time
(Cue Wayne's World Flashback)
From my post on the 8/12 Raw:
-Not a Ring Announcer Feud!!: When I saw Howard Finkel cut that promo, I got a very sick feeling in my stomach. I have a bad feeling that this is leading up to a Howard Finkel/Lilian Garcia grudge match sometime in the near future, in what should be (hands down) Worst Match of the Year. The only way they can redeem themselves is to have a Evening Gown/Tuxedo match (because Lilian's pretty hot), but because the Rasslin' Gods hate me, that would probably just result in seeing Howard in his boxers. EWWWWWWWW!!!
(End Wayne's World Flashback)
I hate being psychic. Yes, there WAS an Evening Gown/Tuxedo Match. Yes, we did see Howard Finkel get stripped. And yes, it is (HANDS DOWN) Worst Match of the Year! Jackie Gayda's got nothing on these two. DAMMIT!! WHY?!?!
-Triple H goes over AGAIN: Remember what I said in the beginning about viewership being up due to interest after Summerslam. So what better time than now for PoocHHHie to go over? Even if they hotshot the title shot to a face later on, that doesn't take away the fact that he put himself over in front of a larger audience. He didn't get his spot by being stupid, people.
Other than the few black eyes, this was a pretty good Raw. It wasn't a blowaway show by any means, but it was good enough.
(edited by It's False on 26.8.02 2039)
(edited by It's False on 26.8.02 2053) "That's right! You suckas better FIND somewhere to run! 'cause it's me - Booker T - not only am I the Scorpion King, but I'm the five-time WCW Champion - and I got a sword, too! Now can U dig THAT - SUCKAAAAAS" -Booker T, Hollywood's next big superstar!
And that's the bottom line, because it's false! It's DAMN false!
Well, maybe I'm wrong about this, but I don't think either Triple H or Undertaker is going to be feuding with Lesnar. As TV Steph said, "#1 Contender for what?" seemed to indicate Triple H is not getting a title shot. I also think RVD will show up on Smackdown as well (since Kane is on RAW, and Rock is gone, Smackdown needs more star power pronto!) Which will lead to a very frustrated Bischoff. And Brock Lesnar's "undisputed" championship will be disputed. I think Brock has just become the WWE Smackdown Champion, and there will be a new WWE Raw Champion soon.
I'm not sure how well this will work, unless they are ready to go with a full split of brands, and PPV's will be brand exclusive. Otherwise, one of the two belts will probably be seen by fans as secondary to the other (for example, if Triple H is named RAW champ, I can't see anyway he wouldn't be viewed as more important than Brock and his championship). Of course, now I'm speculating about speculation, so maybe I should wait and see if this really what is planned.
As far as the show goes, I don't have any major issues with it. It was OK. Killing the hardcore division is OK with me, as they will never be extreme enough to please hardcore fans anyway. And now we are getting down to a more reasonable level of titles. Jericho/Hardy; RVD/Dreamer; and UT/HHH was all entertaining enough for me. However, Fink in underwear: not entertaining. Hopefully that's the end of that.
Oh yeah, the rest of the show. Ehhh. Not outstanding. I tried to stay interested in Triple H/Taker, I really did, but my mind kept wandering. Booker/Christian and Jericho/Jeff were fine, but nothing fantastic. Finkel/Lilian was mildly amusing but went on way too long for the joke. Nowinski and Regal/Dudleys could have bene decent, but the point of the match just got lost beneath the "Nowinski wants Molly's sex" angle.
Killing the Hardcore Title was a real wha'hell moment. I know folks have been begging for it to die for years, but I thought cancelling the 24/7 rule and putting the belt on Dreamer were two good steps toward giving it some respectability again. And now it's just gone.
Okay, the "three minutes" gimmick is officially dead. Being able to call it ten minutes before it starts kind of spoils the fun. Time for the Island Boys to actually wrestle.
And Kane's Kane-a-roonie was still light-years better than that sad attempt Edge made way back when.
RVD/Dreamer was cool. Kane's return was done well, Booker T continues to rock (and that sign with his face superimposed on the Spider-Man poster was hilarious!) and Finkel in his underwear was... AUGHHHH!
I can't understand where the storyline's going next. I hope they don't botch the last few weeks of good TV with a nonsensical series of events to follow...
Even though there was a lot of bad mixed in to this show, I just can't find enough things about tonight's RAW to talk about. Dunno if that's a bad thing or a good thing, but I suppose that WWE wants people to to buzz about what's going down... :/
David Crockett sez it best, folks: "Look at 'im, Tony! Look at 'im!"
RVD vs. Dreamer: NOOO! I said I wanted the Texas Title to go away, not the Hardcore title entirely! Well at least it went out with a bang. Nice knowing ya, Dreamer.
Garcia Vs. Finkel: Ugh, thank goodness I wasn't eating, or the sight of Fink's jiggling buttocks would have made me choke on my Goldfish crackers. At least Stacy got to kick some ass. WOOHOO!
A Lifetime Achievement in 3 Minutes: Well, at least they didn't carry Snuka out on a strecher, and he didn't get his toes broken. Great entrance video, by the way.
For the Fozzy-Holics: I think Jericho KNOWS his singing is awful, and he's doing this to torture the fans.
KANE!!!: My "mark-out" moment. I loved Kane's new outfit, it looks like it came straight out of a Jason horror movie! Plus, we got to see the Kane-a-roonie! What an expert!
The Main Event: Is it just me, or is Taker flying around a lot more? However, I'm wondering why he did the job? Wouldn't a face vs. heel championship match make a lot more sense?
Well, that's it for this week's Great Thomas RAW Report. Good night, take care of yourselves, and on a closing note, Stephie looks good in a tight pink shirt.
After lots of thinking I finally came to a theory: Any non-wrestler who gets attacked by the Island Boyz will immediately recieve praise from the Wienerville community. There's no other way to explain it.
Okay why does my A Drive keep trying to read a disk everytime I open this thread? Edit: I know now. CajunMan, change your user pic. The rest of us can't see it cause it's not on OUR A Drives, just yours.
And why does everyone even comment on the #1 contender match. There is NO #1 Contender. Not on RAW anyway.
Oh and Smackdown! needs Star Power?!? The crops?!? RAW is seriously lagging behind Smackdown! lately, what with losing Eddy, Benoit, and Brock. And by gaining Triple H. Leave RVD here!
(edited by Jaguar on 27.8.02 0008) "You gotta hate somebody before this is over. Them, me, it doesn't matter."
"Hate, who do I hate? You tell me."
"Who do you love?"
-Wintermute to Case in William Gibson's Neuromancer
Did anyone notice how gnarly Jericho's damn beard is getting? It's totally at a .6 Neidhart at this point! Calling Brutus the Barber Beefcake...
And as far as the Hardcore title, I'll second Shem's thoughts. The Dreamer-Richards matches were a lot better than the four title changes in two minutes crap. But hey, the belt's gone. The division's gone. I guess we can all just keep wondering what could have been.
David Crockett sez it best, folks: "Look at 'im, Tony! Look at 'im!"
Raw was really, really good until the Main Event. Get this Raw featured wrestlers, wrestling. Jericho/Hardy went at it for around ten minutes in a good, sound very entertaining match. If Hardy went to a Vampiro/Misfits look I could see him getting over with the guys again. Tommy Dreamer once again busted his ass (and the rest of him) with RVD. The effort that Dreamer shows means a lot to me. Booker T/Christian was a good wrestling. Booker really got all of the scissors kick on Christian.
There was some bad however. I hate Harvard Chris he does nothing for me. The flag segment was very tasteless, and to pull that shit in New York City, just up the road from the Twin Towers was in bad BAD taste even for wrestling. The Main Event really brought the show down. This is probably one of the worst Main Events I've ever seen. The nWo was putting out better matches than this. No heat, no action and if Brock really is Smackdown AND the Next Big Thing he should have left both Triple H and The Undertaker lying in their own blood.
I'll give this show the benefit however, because of the focus on ring action. Raw gets ***, but it could have been so much more.
Originally posted by JaguarOkay why does my A Drive keep trying to read a disk everytime I open this thread?
I don't know - it's happening to me, too. Maybe the Guru could answer that question.
Edit: The culprit appears to be CajunMan's picture, which is apparently on *his* floppy disk drive, but not all of ours. (Thanks for finding the problem, Jaguar. ) Unfortunately, CajunMan is no longer online. I'll leave a message for the Guru to see if he can do anything about it.
(edited by Stephanie on 26.8.02 2327) I'm going twenty-four hours a day...I can't seem to stop
Originally posted by StephanieHey Steph, nice rack. How much helium do those tanks carry?
She should be so lucky. They might not droop. She's getting to be like Miss Chokesondick from South Park.
The path is chosen...The mistress...The future...All leads up to the Kanearooni?!?
It's a shame they decided to eliminate the Hardcore belt, considering Dreamer just made it look cool with that NY license plate. But since it was sacrificed to give us a cheap ECW pop and, more importantly, a Dreamer/RVD match with weapons, I'll accept it. That was my favorite part of the show easily, and I enjoyed it, but not like I probably should have.
Was I the only one who said "Oh great, they're going to squash a legend" when Bischoff announced the lifetime achievement thing? Didn't think so. Was I the only one to roll my eyes? Didn't think so. Was I the only one to roll my eyes because this is getting REALLY old? Didn't think so.
Not exactly a great effort tonight. I did like H's "HBK" intro swerve. And BOY can Brock sell an over-the-top rope landing. No landing-on-feet-and-falling-down for THIS guy!
If I were some kind of federal court judge, I’d be doling out the following sentences after RAW tonight.
H, Triple Real Name: Rhodes, Dusty
Guilty of : 30 counts of sucking since January 2002---13, 246 counts of continued self-promotion and excessive prominent placing of self in prominent place on shows despite complete lack of audience response to his work---Banging Stephanie, possibly in the ass despite being hideously ugly----120 239 203 232 212.573 counts of using nepotism to earn a spot in the business
Sentence: six months to one year out of main events, two months of putting someone over who he isn’t friends with, one month of no needles for any reason whatsoever, one night of taking it in the ass from Chris Jericho while Y2J randomly screams both “I’m the King of the Woooorld!”, and “Get up you son of a bitch!”, then taking it in the ass from Brock Lesnar during a production meeting while being mushroom-slapped by Matt Hardy, who will scream “call that fucking work ethic” while he does it.
Or one night of another match with Sgt. Slaughter.
Taker, Under Real Name: Callous, Mean Mark
Guilty of: 1000 counts of sucking since November 1990---1 count of being all gimmick and riding it for longer than anyone thought possible---2 counts of horrid, awful, and poorly executed heel turns since 1999---989 counts of not being able to decide whether he’s kayfabing or not---400 counts of never putting anyone over, never jobbing cleanly to anyone who wasn’t Stone Cold Steve Austin or the Rock---565 counts of riding his motorcycle to the ring, as if that’s an accomplishment
Sentence: banned for life from main events---1 night of cleanly jobbing to Brock Lesnar---3 nights of having his face pushed into Vince McMahon’s ass by Jim Ross in Houston---public apology for his match with Steve Austin at Backlash, his match with Triple H at King of the Ring, and his match with Triple H tonight---public apology for allowing hideous horse-faced wife to appear on television---public apology for allowing hideous horse-faced wife to go over Diamond Dallas Page---public apology for pushing Jim Ross’ face into McMahon’s ass---public admission that pushing Jim Ross’ face into McMahon’s ass was an act of rape, which was gayer than two gay men having gay sex in a gay bar…while screaming something inaudible about being gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that)
Lesnar, Brock Real Name: Lesnar, The Next Big Thing Brock
Guilty of: completely out of nowhere and unwarranted push---1 night of undeserved heat in a match with Rock that convinced a whole message board somewhere that he was over which he proved he was not the following night on television---having no idea how to cut a promo in the land of the promo---looking like a two-year-old genetically engineered gorilla----overselling everything
Sentence: one year of behind the scenes promo work with Arn Anderson, one night of jobbing to Kurt Angle cleanly sometime next March, 6-7 months of proving he deserves the chance to job cleanly to Kurt Angle sometime next March. 1 month in normal gym. 1 drug test. 1 pointless confrontation on a plane with Kurt Hennig…Uh…never mind that last one.
Flair, Ric Real Name: Flair, The NAAATCHA BOYEH, Woo! Sixty minute man woo Ric
Guilty of: 20 counts of being shell of former self, 1 count of doing nothing but chops in match with Chris Jericho, 6, 545 counts of kissing the ass of whomever it is convenient to kiss the ass of at any given time, one count of taking his ball (and his belt) and going home sometime in 1991, one count of never explaining odd lump in his back, one count of stealing Nature Boy Buddy Roger’s gimmick, and style.
Sentence: Retirement. Date with Precious (he wanted it way back when, but you should see her now).
Real Name: The Rattlesnake, by gawd, the toughest SOB in the WWF Stone COLD STONE COLD STONE COLD STONE COLD He mah beyass freund and he leht me down and bah gawd yuh neva saw it comin’
Guilty of: Well…Er….I’ll leave this one alone. We all know what he’s done and there’s no need to beat a dead horse. So he’s guilty of…that thing….that I won’t mention…and of course beating his wife.
Sentence: being put in a tag-team Jeff Jarrett…no booze for three days…career suicide…
"There once lived a man named Ray Who suspected he just might be gay, he got moist around males, and he painted his nails, but his ass-f*cking gave it away."
-Dreamer and RVD put on one helluva match. I really think getting rid of the Hardcore and Euro titles was bad, they should have at least kept one around so the lower card guys had something to fued over.
-Anytime they want to put Jamal and Rosey in an actual match is fine with me
-Kane looks really wierd with a mouth, and his voice has gotten ten times better. Guess he got some more surgery or something *wink, wink*
-the flag segment was kind of tasteless, but who here thought they were actually going to do it?
-poor Tommy and Jeff Hardy, they finally get rewarded with a title, only to have them taken away a couple weeks later
-I can see Vince come in and set steph straight with the title thing, or I can see steph naming a number one contender, then having vince make it a three way at the PPV
-um...so which GM is supposed to be the heel, the guy that beats up legends, or the girl who stops raw from getting their fair shake with the title
-finally how many people wanted to see the samoans actually side with snuka and turn on Bischoff, I thought for sure that was going to happen
That is why evil will always win, because good is dumb!
Yeah, eke, you are right that there were too many guys and not enough TV time before the split, I forgot about that. Maybe then if they take some under-used guys and make them real (i.e. permanent) teams then that would be the best option.