TONIGHT: John Laurinaitis is still in charge after beating John Cena last night, with the help of the newly fired (and soon-to-be newly hired?) Big Show. Does Laurinaitis continue to take his frustrations out on Cena tonight? What of Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk – the feud looks like it’ll continue, and will AJ make another appearance? Where do things stand with Triple H and Paul Heyman/Brock Lesnar? Find out TONIGHT.
- Stills of last night’s main event were shown. They also aired clips of the Big Show firing spliced in, followed by stills of Big Show’s appearance last night on the PPV.
-John Cena came out in a hurry. He said he’s had a lot of matches where he’s had to come out the next night, congratulate his opponent, and move on. “What the hell happened?” he shouted. Cena called Johnny Ace “a selfish, power-hungry bully.” He said Ace got a taste of his own medicine last night, and for a while, it was a blast, what true People Power is about. Cena brought up Big Show and said he brought Ace back and it was fun again. He basically did play-by-play of what happened from when Show brought Ace to the ring to when he knocked him out cold. He said Show used to be a friend. Y’know, except for all those times they feuded. Cena addressed the (non-existent) complaints about how come he didn’t finish him earlier. He told the “geniuses” that Show was already paid off, so he would’ve come out to beat him up whenever Ace was in trouble. I guess he wasn’t in trouble when Cena locked his submission finisher on Ace…twice?
Cena said it could’ve been anyone to replace Ace and he’d be happy, even the laptop. After saying “can I have your attention please,” he guessed the first e-mail would’ve been to hire Big Show back. Johnny Ace’s music hit and Eve Torres walked out. Eve introduced Ace to the live crowd. Ace showed up with his arm in a sling and with a crutch. Ace said he was rushed to the hospital yesterday after their match, with a possible broken clavicle, damage to his PCL and ACL, as well as a spinal injury and contusions. He said he can’t lift his leg, which indicates possible nerve damage. These medical diagnoses must be in honor of the final episode of “House.” Ace said no one can lay a finger on him again, as that person will be immediately terminated.
Ace then introduced the man he rehired on Saturday (with an extra bonus) and the man who will face Cena at No Way Out next month, The Big Show. But if Big Show was rehired Saturday, doesn’t that mean he was under contract when he interfered and should thus be terminated? Show walked out in a suit and said no one is entitled to an explanation for his actions. Show said he was on his knees to Ace doing something he’d never done before….begging for his job. Get your minds out of the gutter! Show acknowledged that he was a sell-out, but yelled that he got no sympathy from anyone. “I did what I had to do – what each and every one of you would’ve done!” He continued to lambaste the fans for judging him. Show said he will judge Cena on June 17. He vowed to knock Cena out. Then he walked to the back. Admittedly, a good promo from Show. Then David Otunga’s music hit and he walked out. Otunga said Cena lost to his boss, and now he’s going to lose to him. I think I heard the crowd laugh at that. Cena said he was not in the mood and told Otunga to go to the back and watch reruns of Law & Order. Cena promised to hurt Otunga if he got in the ring with him. Otunga dedicated the match to his boss. It’s next.
-They replayed Show threatening Cena in his promo before the break.
(1) John Cena vs. David Otunga Cena charged at Otunga, but Otunga created separation by getting into the ropes. Ace was shown watching the match with Eve atop the ramp sitting in a scooter. That was a funny image. Otunga kept running from Cena. Otunga finally suckered Cena into a chase, and beat-down Cena back in the ring. That didn’t last long as Cena came back, connected on the Attitude Adjustment, then won with the STF. Ace lasted longer in the move last night than Otunga did.
Winner: Cena, at 1:58. Otunga is like the coyote who keeps coming back after the roadrunner in Cena, and just can’t seem to win.
After the match, Tyler Reks, Curt Hawkins, Darren Young and Titus O’Neil all attacked Cena. Sheamus ran out to make the save and they disposed of the youngsters. Ace yelled at the four, saying he didn’t give them permission to come out and to head to the back. Ace said the fans seem to like Cena and Sheamus, so they’ll be in a two-on-three handicap match tonight. And for the first time ever on Raw, it’ll be a two-on-three handicap lumberjack match. He didn’t announce the opponents.
- Tonight, Randy Orton vs. Alberto Del Rio.
- Plus, Daniel Bryan calls out CM Punk.
-Ricardo Rodriguez was introduced to bring out Alberto Del Rio, but before he could speak, Santino Marella came to the ring. Marella claimed to not be able to understand Rodriguez because of his accent. Oh, and his eyebrows. He said Rodriguez doesn’t even roll his r’s. Marella had Rodriguez try it and he did it, but Santino said it sucked. They had a contest to see who could roll their r’s best and Santino won by virtue of scaring Ricardo with the Cobra. Somehow, Rodriguez ended up caught up in his suitjacket and couldn’t move. Santino then hit the Cobra on Rodriguez and introduced Del Rio. He listed Del Rio’s weight in kilograms and claimed he hailed from “some crazy place in Mexico.”
While they waited for Del Rio to come out, the announcers talked up Raw and how it’s about to do something never done before. A video aired plugging Raw’s unprecedented 1,000th episode of Raw. And also, it starts as a permanent three-hour show. Del Rio came out looking thoroughly disgusted by Santino. Santino exited the ring when ADR entered. He’s in action next.
(2) Alberto Del Rio vs. Randy Orton Lawler brought up the point about Big Show signing on Saturday and thus being unable to interfere, but Cole covered by saying it was only a verbal agreement on Saturday; Show actually signed the contract today. So either Ace screwed up the timeline or WWE realized their gigantic boo-boo based on Twitter and social media reaction. Del Rio went after the shoulder early on, but Orton turned the tables by avoiding an attack. Del Rio went back on the attack and Orton rolled to ringside to recover. They went to break 1:43 into the match.
Del Rio was still in control out of break as Orton apparently just couldn’t get out of the gate. Del Rio missed a dive and went feet-first through the middle rope. Orton began to get into the offensive mode and planted Del Rio with his vintage DDT at 6:55 of the match. Orton set up for the RKO, but before Del Rio could get to his feet, Chris Jericho ran in out of nowhere and gave Orton the Codebreaker.
Winner: Orton, via disqualification, at 7:19. Basic TV match. Nothing special, but not bad either.
Jericho asked for a microphone as the crowd chanted “you suck.” Jericho repeated “I am the best in the world at what I do!” Orton used the ropes to help him get to his feet and when he did, Jericho gave him a second Codebreaker and was very animated in trash-talking the fallen Orton. A third Codebreaker followed. The end of the match was replayed.
-It’s a handicap tag team Lumberjack match, but John Cena and Sheamus’ opponents are not known.
-Daniel Bryan was walking backstage. He calls out Punk next.
-Lawler thanked Thousand Foot Krutch for “Ware of Change,” the official Over the Limit theme.
-Daniel Bryan walked to the ring. The announcers debated whether Bryan was pinned first or if Punk tapped before that. Bryan claimed that he should be the new WWE Champion, and he showed a slow-mo clip to prove it. Well, it proved Punk tapped, but not compared to when Bryan was pinned. Bryan did some question and answer saying he could make Punk tap out again. Crowd chanted “no” when he chanted “yes” to such a rhetorical question. Bryan demanded a rematch. Punk came out for his retort.
Punk said last night’s match was one of the greatest battles he’s ever been involved in in his life. But Bryan seems to forget that he was pinned by Punk. Punk wanted to remind Bryan of what happened last Friday on Smackdown. They showed Bryan’s attack on Kane and how Kane thought it was Punk who struck him. Punk introduced Bryan to his opponent for this evening…Kane.
(3) Daniel Bryan vs. Kane Punk joined the commentators at ringside. Kane took Bryan down early and then fired away with body shots in the corner. Bryan cornered Kane himself and hit a running dropkick. He came off the top but landed right in a choke. Before Kane could hit his finish, Bryan low-bridged Kane out of the ring. Bryan then dove through the ropes and onto Kane. Punk grabbed a chair and went to hit Kane, but Bryan stopped him. Bryan took the chair away and turned around to see Kane staring at him. Bryan tried to act like he wasn’t going to hit Kane, but Kane booted Bryan in the face, then used the chair on Bryan himself.
Winner: Bryan, via DQ, at 1:48. At least they didn’t repeat the same finish as Friday, but Punk on commentary is always welcome.
Kane hit Bryan with the chair a few times in the back, then chokeslammed Bryan once they were back in the ring. A second chokeslam was hit as well. Punk decided to check on Bryan’s condition. Punk applied the Anaconda Vice, which led to Bryan tapping.
-The handicap Lumberjack match is another first-time ever thing on Raw.
-CM Punk was walking backstage when AJ came out of her dressing room to meet him. AJ wanted to tell him something – that she enjoyed watching Punk beat up Daniel Bryan. Punk called her “sadistic” and AJ tried to keep her composure, but was struggling. Punk told her she has to know she’s been acting like a fool this entire time. AJ began to cry and Punk was clearly uncomfortable. I don’t know if playing this for laughs is the right way to go. Punk finally hugged her and patted her on the head, telling her everything is going to be fine. He told her to stop crying, and all of a sudden, she did. Punk told her he digs crazy chicks, then walked off.
-The WWE Rewind: Triple H and Paul Heyman’s segment from last week.
-The announcers said Triple H is meeting with WWE’s legal team to see what the next move will be in terms of dealing with Paul Heyman and Brock Lesnar.
-Justin Roberts introduced Christian to the live crowd. He’s in action after the break.
(4) Christian vs. Jinder Mahal Quick reverse DDT by Christian, then a dropkick off the second rope. Mahal turned the tide and back-dropped Christian to the outside. Sunset flip by Christian, but Mahal kicked out at two. Mahal came back and tried his finisher, but Christian turned it into the Killswitch. Instead, he went to the top rope and gave Mahal a splash off the top rope for the finish.
Winner: Chrisitan, at 3:16. Good victory to get Christian back in the swing of things after coming back from injury.
-Still to come: the first-ever Handicap tag team Lumberjack match.
-Kelly Kelly was walking backstage. She’s taking on Beth Phoenix next.
-They showed upset Tweeters expressing their anger over Big Show’s actions last night.
-A replay aired of Show’s promo on Cena from tonight.
(5) Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix Beth was aggressive to start, slamming Kelly and hitting an elbowdrop as well as the world’s least impactful leg-drop. Layla was shown watching on the monitor backstage. Hurricanrana by Kelly for two. Beth then steamrolled over her with a clothesline. Hair pull by Beth brought Kelly down hard on the mat. Thesz Press by Kelly, followed up by a headscissors into the corner. Kelly screamed a lot while she kicked at Beth. Beth gave Kelly a clubbing blow to the back of her head on a handspring back elbow try. Glam Slam ended it.
Winner: Phoenix, at 2:29. Good enough match, aside from Kelly’s offense.
-More tweets, this time from WWE Superstars, RE: Big Show’s actions. Heels like it, babyfaces hated it. At least they’re consistent on Twitter!
-Smilin’ Johnny Ace was driving around in his cart backstage. We’ll find out the opponents of Sheamus and Cena next.
-Sheamus came out first, followed by John Cena. Vickie Guerrero then came out and sucked up to Johnny Ace a little bit. She introduced two-thirds of the team that will teach Sheamus and Cena to respect authority: Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler. Lord Tensai rounded out the team. Apparently, now he’s just “Tensai.” Yeah, because that was the issue with him getting over. The Lumberjacks made their way to the ring. They were pretty much the entire heel locker room.
(6) Sheamus & John Cena vs. Jack Swagger & Dolph Ziggler & Tensai - Handicap Tag Team Lumberjack Match At 1:14, Ace limped out onto the stage. Swagger and Cena were engaged in a battle in the ring. The heels worked over Cena, allowing Swagger to shine. He missed a Vader Bomb though and a 2:38, both men were down. Cena made the tag to Sheamus, and he put a hurting on Swagger. Ziggler broke up a pin and was thrown to the wolves (aka the Lumberjacks) at ringside. Tensai then brawled with Sheamus and drove Sheamus out of the ring. He fought off Primo, Epico, and Camacho, then climbed onto the stairs and dove onto another set of men. Jericho grabbed the leg of Sheamus on his way back in, but Cena kicked Jericho off. Still, it allowed Tensai to take back over inside the ring. They took a break with Tensai working over Sheamus at 4:56.
Back at 7:49 of the match. Swagger applied the ankle-lock on Sheamus, but it was more to control him and pull him into the heel corner rather than to get him to submit. Tensai charged at Sheamus in the corner and plowed him over. Sheamus again was taken outside and again the heels went after him. Tensai laid in the headbutts back in the ring. Swagger was back in and again kept Sheamus at bay. Ziggler made the tag and toyed with Sheamus a bit. That cost him as Sheamus went for a high-impact move, only for Ziggler to take out the leg. Fameasser for a two-count at 10:39. This time, at 11:20, Big Show walked out onto the stage. Swagger applied a rear waist-lock to further wear down the World Champion. Tensai continued the assault in the heel corner, but Sheamus fought back to his feet. Bodyslam by Tensai, then a leg-drop. Cole reset the show at the top of the hour. This time, Sheamus fought off all three men in the corner and hit the rolling Senton. Tag was made to Cena at 14:30 of the match. Of course, it was Ziggler who bumped around for Cena at first. The lumberjacks rolled Sheamus out of the ring to attack him and Cena dove out there to defend him. Things broke down as the lumberjacks followed Cena into the ring and continued the attack. The rest of the locker room ran out to even the score.
Winners: No Contest (no bell), around 15:00.
The two sides of the locker room were going at it in the ring. Cena headed up the ramp to look for Big Show. Cena ran backstage and caught up to Ace. He asked where Show was and Ace said he didn’t know…then he reminded Cena he can’t touch him or Cena will be fired. Cena turned around with the camera tight on his face…and collided with a Big Show right hand. For a big man, Show certainly is quiet! Show walked away as the show ended.
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Wouldn't things have made more sense for Punk to come out to the defense of Cena at the beginning of the show rather than Sheamus? What with Punk being the first to stand up to Johnny months back, and even defended Cena verbally on Smackdown last week before the PPV? The vacuum of logic in WWE storylines continues!
Kelly Kelly has the best angry flurry of kicks and punches in a corner I've seen since Kidman was active.
I think my brain repressed the rest of tonight's Raw. I'm sure my brain knows best.
So what do we think: did Johnny flub his line by saying he hired Show on Saturday, or did Creative/Vince actually script it "Saturday" without Creative/Vince fully comprehending the giant yawning plot chasm they were creating by doing so - up until somebody who monitors Twitter told them they absolutely couldn't wait one more segment to come up with an explanation?
The formation of Nexus: Redemption stopped my heart. I hope Johnny Curtis and JTG join.
That AJ/Punk segment was so good. When she stopped crying, oh wow. AJ doesn't get enough credit. Kind of disappointed Punk and Bryan will be doing a submission match though. There's so much less you can do in submission matches. Like, for instance, "nearfalls."
Haha they more than deserve whatever shit they got for that "he signed on Saturday" thing. Completely pathetic.
Cena/Big Show was a definitely not at all completely shitty feud in 2009 so think of how even better it'll be now.
I won't object to any kind of Christian push and I prefer him as a babyface but he really liked what Laurinaitis had to say last time they spoke. And Laurinaitis promised him One More Match. And with the lack of heel opponents it probably would've made sense to use him for one PPV cycle against either champion since both of them put him out of action.
Wouldn't it be funny if this Jericho run also ends with him being punted? It's like he's the antagonist in the Randy Orton cartoon Viper & Friends who gets thwarted at the end of every episode with a punt then wakes up and shouts "Randyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!"
Originally posted by JustinShapiroWouldn't it be funny if this Jericho run also ends with him being punted? It's like he's the antagonist in the Randy Orton cartoon Viper & Friends who gets thwarted at the end of every episode with a punt then wakes up and shouts "Randyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!"
In the predicitions thread I picked Jericho to win, and two months later to get punted into retirement by Orton. So I have a chance to be half right.
And if that happens I am done with the WWE. My favorite wreslter being retired by a POS who is also my least favorite wreslter EVER would be too much for me to swallow.
Originally posted by myself, from last week's Raw thread
Originally posted by myself, from the Raw thread two weeks agoNo repercussions for Ace because the "Board of Directors" contacted Cena first was about a 7 of 10 on the silly wrestling logic scale, but I guess they at least tried. Of course following the logic they went with, there's no reason for Ace not to get relieved of his duties on the Raw after Over the Limit (win, lose or draw).
Yeah, about that. Now since the "board" has put in a 'lose and you're fired' stip on Johnny, OBVIOUSLY when Big Show interferes and Ace wins, everything he did up till then is forgotten for discipline purposes. (Like Cole never got a proper comeuppance for all his dickery.) Make it a perfect 10 of 10 for silly logic.
Yep, nothing the Board of Directors can do about this now. I knew that.
Originally posted by CRZSo what do we think: did Johnny flub his line by saying he hired Show on Saturday, or did Creative/Vince actually script it "Saturday" without Creative/Vince fully comprehending the giant yawning plot chasm they were creating by doing so - up until somebody who monitors Twitter told them they absolutely couldn't wait one more segment to come up with an explanation?
I for one have full confidence in Ace's ability to screw up a promo.
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Otherwise, I hope one of the 17 WWE YouTube shows has the footage of Punk wandering around backstage this afternoon with his cellphone, waiting to show Kane the replay from SmackDown and talk the Big Red Machine into a match with Bryan tonight. That Punk totally had authority to book. Except in the actual segment on Raw, I'd have had Punk use his Vince impression to tell Bryan that "tonight you're facing...... KANE!!"
Quite fitting that there were about 30 guys fighting it out in the ring, and the camera followed Cena backstage in the end. What did we get - 40, 50 minutes of Cena on this show? Pro-rate that over a 3-hour Monday Rawtro.
Man, Show can sure cut a heel promo. Liked the main event, think the cosmetic changes to Tensai will do him good, but the Bryan segment irritated me and I just can't get excited about ANOTHER Cena/Show feud.
At least Punk admits he likes crazy chicks. Punk and Bryan are pretty much gold right now. Adding AJ as the crazy girl brings drama into it. I did like Punk's "Bring it in" line. Other than that, it was a pretty there show. Big Show gives no clear reason why he did it and which was made more awkward when one of the WWE Stars Tweets maybe Kofi asked why didn't he wait til Johnny got fired and asked to be back? They wrote themselves into a hole that they are hoping the ADD fans can forget long enough to squeeze two Big Show/Cena matches til they give John something better to do at SummerSlam.
It would be nice if Punk became the locker room leader in this Johnny heel administration storyline. A guy who can rally the troops and maybe be the one to stop Johnny. Since he should, but I get the feeling they are going to find a way to have Punk/Brock at SummerSlam if they do the HHH/Lesnar match for this PPV. Punk loses and Brock holds the belt hostage in the most ironic of moves. The thing is it might work better, because WWE probably won't pony up the money to add more dates like they did with Punk last year.
The Wee Baby Sheamus.Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
Originally posted by geemoney Show walked out in a suit and said no one is entitled to an explanation for his actions.
Originally posted by Dr Unlikely - WHO IS ME! - in the Over The Limit thread yesterdayIf they can clear the hurdle of explaining why Show would ever help Ace when the option of not helping Ace and getting rehired by the Board/new GM was there - and I question this, given that Show was one of the earliest guys they hung the infuriating "You wanna know why I turned? You don't deserve an explanation!" albatross on -
Boom. That's why I'm at the top of the W Raw Supershow Fantasy League that doesn't exist but I'd be at the top of if it did.
To their...credit?...they did add in the nebulous "ironclad contract" aside to...explain?...why Show would help Ace instead of help get Ace fired and then get re-hired, which Cena pretty much said last night would happen no matter who became new GM. I expect this to play out similar to the "Test can't be fired!" angle, where we were constantly reminded that Test can't be fired and ended with Test being fired.
Honest question: Is Cena no longer capable of playing a serious character? Has he actually forgotten how to do it? (My answer: Probably, as evidenced by his "anger" in the opening segment.) Honest question: Do they really think what people want to see right now is yet another Cena against the evil boss and his minions angle? (My answer: Yes, they do.)
I mean, I guess the other option for what they're planning for the summer is an all-out heel vs. face war (more on that in a minute) that would, unfortunately, put both champs as the #2 and #3 guys. I'd only be into that if it escalated quickly, ended with Cena victorious and immediately led into an Abuse of Power: John Cena angle where Cena in charge ended up worse than what they had, since that's really the place they need to finally get the guts to go someday soon. But in the meantime, we've already proven that Cena can demolish at least a third of the heel faction at a time by himself.
Re: heels vs. faces, my favorite part of the show was when the heel locker room came out as the lumberjacks and Lawler was bottlenecked into saying "Look, Cole! Look at who all these lumberjacks are! They're...(can't say heels! can't say bad guys?)...well, none of these guys like John Cena!" followed by the face locker room rescue at the end, prompting a "Here comes the...(can't say faces! can't say good guys?)...the other guys!"
Christian's no-motivation turn back to a face is weird, but he does (that match aside, which was a little sloppy) have one of the best face match layouts around, so I'm all for it. I don't know what to make of him sliding back down to the IC level, but I'll take it if we're going to get a Christian/Ziggler feud out of it. Dolph selling Christian's corner kick rope-a-dope move thing? Dolph selling Christian's Macho Man Leap To The Outside Uppercut? Yes, let us have this.
Oh, yeah! Also, just as I was thinking that Christian really needs a new finisher because the Killswitch seems like the easiest and most-often reversed move, he breaks out what may or may not have been a Frog Splash for the win. I'm all in favor of this.
Loved the Punk/AJ segment in the back. Jericho had the wrong idea, this is the one addiction that you can exploit on Punk.
What else? Oh, I kinda like Sheamus and Cena as a superfriends team. I mean, I don't like it in the sense that they can destroy everyone alone already, but I do like it in that they're both basically giant kids as faces and it kinda, sorta plays on Sheamus running to Cena for help back in the invasion. It's a plus that Sheamus' hair sells exhaustion way better than Cena does at the end of these segments.
Also, I appreciate that they waited until after May 19th to turn Kane back into a face (I guess?) again. It's the little things that matter.
Originally posted by Dr UnlikelyOh, yeah! Also, just as I was thinking that Christian really needs a new finisher because the Killswitch seems like the easiest and most-often reversed move, he breaks out what may or may not have been a Frog Splash for the win. I'm all in favor of this.
I never took to the Unprettier/Killswitch. He's been using the frogsplash since TNA, and it's a popular move. He can use that instead.
I was happy to see Dolph in the main event, happier still that he didn't eat a pin to end it. Swagger should join Christian as another new face in the SmackDown roster. They're loaded with evil foreigners there, and he can have angles from now until Mania just against them.
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The possibility of a CM Punk - Cray-J AJ hookup intrigues me the more I think about it. One of the strikes against Punk is that the female demographic doesn't really like him; he's over with the adult males but not with the ladies so much. Certainly not like Cena is. Punk is also more or less the 2012 version of Randy Savage to Cena's Hulk Hogan, right down to the beard and Punk outright invoking Macho Man every time he drops the Savage Elbow. At his peak, Macho had Elizabeth. So why not give tattooed, straight edged Punk a crazy, emotionally damaged Elizabeth? Bring it in there. I'd like to see where they're going with this.
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Originally posted by John OrquiolaThe possibility of a CM Punk - Cray-J AJ hookup intrigues me the more I think about it. One of the strikes against Punk is that the female demographic doesn't really like him; he's over with the adult males but not with the ladies so much.
I was thinking the same thing, but came to the opposite conclusion. Punk seemed quite insensitive to AJ, rolling his eyes and wanting nothing to do with her until the last line. Maybe they turn it around later, but this particular moment seemed like it'd turn off more women.
Though maybe I should let women decide this themselves!
Originally posted by thecubsfanI was thinking the same thing, but came to the opposite conclusion. Punk seemed quite insensitive to AJ, rolling his eyes and wanting nothing to do with her until the last line. Maybe they turn it around later, but this particular moment seemed like it'd turn off more women.
Though maybe I should let women decide this themselves!
I thought he looked...awkward during that segment. Like he had no idea what to say and wasn't sure until she stopped crying. There was a bit of rolling of the eyes in there, though.
On the other hand, I have firmly been in the Punk camp since he bopped someone on the head with the microphone back in last year's Royal Rumble. Summer of Punk was also fun too. So I am not the typical female fan I guess ;)
I'd been waiting for that RVD/Stone Cold match that they teased during the invasion angle, but never really delivered on. But now that they've effectively killed all of RVD's pops, I guess it's back to the mid-card with him.