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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.49
One of the worst Raw's ever. I know that is a stereotypical IWC thing to say, but I mean it. The Big Show bit is one of the worst segments I've ever seen. One of the reasons I hate the Authority Gimmick angle is that it neuters wrestlers. Wrestlers are supposed to be badasses that don't follow rules. To have them begging and walking the line...why should I care to see that guy fight? Unless it is a legit thing like Owen's death the rule is THERE'S NO CRYING IN WRESTLING.

So Big Show loses either way. If he stays a face he's a pussy, if he turns heel to win his job back he's back to being a flunky. I suppose it gives heat to Johnny, but he's portrayed as a loser who doesn't wrestle and wasn't any good to begin with. Nobody wants to see him in a match. It was like all those Bret Vs Lawler feuds where Lawler was a joke commentator and then they expected you to take him seriously.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.29
Like everyone else, my thought as soon as the show ended was Big Show reluctantly knocking Cena out to get his job back, setting up a match with Show to keep Cena busy during HHH/Lesnar. But giving it slightly more thought: where would Show tearfully knocking out Cena to help Ace get his job back rank on the insane logic scale when the simpler, more ethical option he has would be choosing to not help Ace and simply waiting for Ace to lose and be fired so Show could immediately be hired back by HHH/Teddy Long/The Board of Directors?

Speaking of keeping people busy, with Jericho and Sheamus having moved on, I could see Bryan getting the title thanks to AJ to give Punk something to do through SummerSlam, since they don't want him at the top of the card. And I kind of like the irony of Punk losing the title because he turned down possible advances backstage.

More June Surprise thoughts: since last night makes a potential Cena heel turn feel less likely than ever, I might now settle for an Alliance To Destroy John Cena/John Cena Revenge Squad debuting on Cena's 10th anniversary with the company, comprised of Ace, Lesnar, Batista, Jericho, Wade Barrett, Michael Tarver, Billy Kidman, Carlito, Bull Buchanan, Kevin Federline and an Evil Zack Ryder.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
I don't think Bryan is going to win, but the fact that they haven't done a single interview for Bryan/Punk makes me hopeful it'll go beyond this show. Then July is Money in the Bank and I don't think they want Cena watered down in the ladder match, so maybe Cena/Punk: One Year Later? Or they could just keep with the current pattern of a title match in addition to Cena's match in the super-main event division. Actually, Cena in the MITB match seems more interesting than any other scenario since he's never done it before.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I don't think Bryan is going to win, but the fact that they haven't done a single interview for Bryan/Punk makes me hopeful it'll go beyond this show. Then July is Money in the Bank and I don't think they want Cena watered down in the ladder match, so maybe Cena/Punk: One Year Later? Or they could just keep with the current pattern of a title match in addition to Cena's match in the super-main event division. Actually, Cena in the MITB match seems more interesting than any other scenario since he's never done it before.

    THIS is my W.

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Thank you. That is the weird thing with Cena is they could do Cena vs the monsters sent by evil villain guy all summer. More Shazam than Superman or maybe its Red Sun Superman. Either way, it will get boring since I feel like we have done this 100 times already. I also don't want it to keep closing out Raw. This match if it does go on last it will be a fucking joke.

Maybe the June surprise is Rock coming back early to take the belt off of Jericho or the Punk tweet regarding Batista. Whatever it is, I hope it somehow leads to Lesnar/Punk or Punk/Batista and at least one more Rock match at SummerSlam. Give Punk some high profile match.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Speaking of keeping people busy, with Jericho and Sheamus having moved on, I could see Bryan getting the title thanks to AJ to give Punk something to do through SummerSlam, since they don't want him at the top of the card.


On my first reaction last night, I almost said it'd be nice if Bryan won the title, and give us diehards a summer of Punk vs Bryan as compensation for sitting through most everything else they want to cram down our throats.. but

(a) I don't trust them to switch the title without Cena swooping back into the WWE Championship picture if there's a face opening,

(b) there's been virtually no build of the match/rivalry other than "okay Daniel Bryan of SmackDown, by beating Jerry Lawler you're suddenly #1 contender for the WWE Championship" - which tends to argue against a title change, and

(c) I think the reason they didn't let Bryan or Punk talk the last three weeks was the still audible "YES" chants that came through on live TV, while nothing was heard against Cena all night.

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You also still have to wonder if there's anyone in the company besides Ace that Cena will get such a uniformly face reaction against. I think that points to Ace schmozzing out a win Sunday.

(FWIW, on-site reports had Tensai appearing against Tyson Kidd in a Superstars taping, and as part of a 6-man tag in the second dark match after the show. So that's quite a difference from his position on Raw {edit: pinning the WWE Champion!} a week ago.)

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.74
JUNE SURPRISE

2011
June surprise: CM Punk vows to win world title and quit the company, drops bomb of pipe in shocking angle
August fizzle: CM Punk returns 8 days after making good on that threat.

2010
June surprise: NXT rookies militarize, destroy Cena et al in shocking angle
August fizzle: John Cena overcomes the odds and wins the very first match (we would also accept Daniel Bryan being fired)

2009
June surprise: CM Punk uses MITB on Jeff Hardy and becomes straight edge heel and centerpiece of Smackdown
August fizzle: Jeff quits and gets arrested, Punk drops the title to a broken down Undertaker

2008
June surprise: CM Punk uses MITB on Edge and becomes world champion, whaaaat
August (September) fizzle: after teasing a big future match with Randy Orton, Punk loses the belt without wrestling and is dropped out of the title picture

2007
June surprise: Vince explodes.
June fizzle: don't ask.

2006
June surprise: ECW returns!
August fizzle: ECW returns.

2005
June surprise: ECW One Night Stand
August fizzle: there was never any follow-up to that, so we'll just say Muhammad Hassan's rad July 4th.

2004
June surprise: Benoit and Guerrero win world titles. it was still surprising in June.
August fizzle: Benoit and Guerrero displaced by Eugene and JBL. also, their eventual deaths.

2003
June surprise: as with Lesnar, the June surprise was Goldberg's debut the night after Wrestlemania
August fizzle: HHH beats Goldberg in Elimination Chamber

2002
June surprise: Eric Bischoff!
August fizzle: ... decides to build Raw around Triple H and HLA.

2001
June surprise: WCW and ECW invade
August fizzle: and form the Alliance

2000
June surprise: no surprise here, everything was awesome
August fizzle: was in the fall. Stephanie chooses HHH over Angle, Rikishi's the driver, Benoit and Jericho pushes halted.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.29
Oddly, if you go back into the '90s, you get:
1999
June fizzle: IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, AUSTIN!
August surprise: Y2J

    Originally posted by TheOldMan
      Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
      Speaking of keeping people busy, with Jericho and Sheamus having moved on, I could see Bryan getting the title thanks to AJ to give Punk something to do through SummerSlam, since they don't want him at the top of the card.


    On my first reaction last night, I almost said it'd be nice if Bryan won the title, and give us diehards a summer of Punk vs Bryan as compensation for sitting through most everything else they want to cram down our throats.. but

    (a) I don't trust them to switch the title without Cena swooping back into the WWE Championship picture if there's a face opening,

    (b) there's been virtually no build of the match/rivalry other than "okay Daniel Bryan of SmackDown, by beating Jerry Lawler you're suddenly #1 contender for the WWE Championship" - which tends to argue against a title change

They did have that Punk/Bryan series of matches with no finish that was going before the Punk/Henry mini-feud, which seemed kind of weird at the time but could be spun into something now. It also established the "vegan is more evil than drug-free" pecking order.

Re: (a), Punk->Bryan->Cena is definitely a very real threat of potential title changes...and yet in a weird way, a Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena feud is actually the potential match-up they could run this summer that would interest me most. The obvious problem is that Cena almost certainly never takes the clean loss necessary to put Bryan over as a credible opponent, but man, if he did...
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    2010
    June surprise: NXT rookies militarize, destroy Cena et al in shocking angle
    August fizzle: John Cena overcomes the odds and wins the very first match (we would also accept Daniel Bryan being fired)

Fizzle was definitely the Bryan firing because it shattered the kayfabe "realism" of the angle, which was key to its success. Don't forget also that Cena only won the first match with the help of others (5-on-5 elimination style) and it would take him until the winter for him to get one over on the Nexus on his own, and he was both forced into indentured servitude AND got "fired" in the interim.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    2004
    June surprise: Benoit and Guerrero win world titles. it was still surprising in June.
    August fizzle: Benoit and Guerrero displaced by Eugene and JBL. also, their eventual deaths.

Eugene? Nope, Benoit's fizzle can be firmly blamed on them on them making Randy Orton champion before he was ready, then cutting off his balls one month in and returning the belt back to Trips, the last place it should have gone.



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      2010
      June surprise: NXT rookies militarize, destroy Cena et al in shocking angle
      August fizzle: John Cena overcomes the odds and wins the very first match (we would also accept Daniel Bryan being fired)

    Fizzle was definitely the Bryan firing because it shattered the kayfabe "realism" of the angle, which was key to its success. Don't forget also that Cena only won the first match with the help of others (5-on-5 elimination style) and it would take him until the winter for him to get one over on the Nexus on his own, and he was both forced into indentured servitude AND got "fired" in the interim.

      Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      2004
      June surprise: Benoit and Guerrero win world titles. it was still surprising in June.
      August fizzle: Benoit and Guerrero displaced by Eugene and JBL. also, their eventual deaths.

    Eugene? Nope, Benoit's fizzle can be firmly blamed on them on them making Randy Orton champion before he was ready, then cutting off his balls one month in and returning the belt back to Trips, the last place it should have gone.


Disagree on point one and agree on point two. Bryan getting fired/kicked out made it feel a bit more dangerous. It was Bryan returning only to eat a pin later. Cena taking on two guys at once, eating a DDT on the cement and magically coming back to win killed Nexus. His promo the next night did not help matters either. No one really believed Cena was going to be fired or stay a slave for long.

Totally agree on the Orton thing. I was there in Canada and while the crowd was split, they hated the out of nowhere finish. People were pissed and I got a bottle thrown at my car. Canada, our friendly neighbor, my ass. Orton was nowhere ready to be a face, I would argue he has never really been a good face and for them to put the belt back on HHH not even a month later was just plain stupid. Granted, its impossible to feel bad for Benoit now back then it was borderline criminal how they treated his title run.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Eugene? Nope, Benoit's fizzle can be firmly blamed on them on them making Randy Orton champion before he was ready, then cutting off his balls one month in and returning the belt back to Trips, the last place it should have gone.


I was surprised to hear Lesnar claim to once again be the youngest champion. One reason offered for Orton's first title reign was to bump Lesnar from that status. I really thought Lesnar mentioning this was to tease an Orton angle after he clobbered Cena.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.74
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Oddly, if you go back into the '90s, you get:
    1999
    June fizzle: IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, AUSTIN!
    August surprise: Y2J


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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Benoit's fizzle can be firmly blamed on them on them making Randy Orton champion before he was ready, then cutting off his balls one month in and returning the belt back to Trips, the last place it should have gone.


Yeah, I agree. There were two ways to go: Orton wins the title and Faarooqs HHH out of Evolution to become the new top heel, or Orton doesn't get the title and does the Batista slow turn to make people actually want him as a face. Instead they picked the wrong half of each. But I also agree that Orton wasn't there yet until he became the 2007-08 legend kicker.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Texas Kelly
      Eugene? Nope, Benoit's fizzle can be firmly blamed on them on them making Randy Orton champion before he was ready, then cutting off his balls one month in and returning the belt back to Trips, the last place it should have gone.


    I was surprised to hear Lesnar claim to once again be the youngest champion. One reason offered for Orton's first title reign was to bump Lesnar from that status. I really thought Lesnar mentioning this was to tease an Orton angle after he clobbered Cena.


I believe Heyman said "WWE champion." In a happy compromise, they were each the youngest champion of the two world titles.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro


    Yeah, I agree. There were two ways to go: Orton wins the title and Faarooqs HHH out of Evolution to become the new top heel, or Orton doesn't get the title and does the Batista slow turn to make people actually want him as a face. Instead they picked the wrong half of each. But I also agree that Orton wasn't there yet until he became the 2007-08 legend kicker.



I had quit watching between 2004 and 2009. When I tuned in again during the Cena/Orton feud, I was pleasantly surprised that Orton had evolved into something fun to watch. Orton having henchmen boosted my perception of him quite a bit.
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