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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.26

    Bad thing: Curt(is) Hawkins' dumb cane. Is there any kind of Superstars/NXT in-continuity explanation for that thing?


Hawkins hurt an ankle last fall, needed the cane then, and just kept it.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.95
The Lord Tensai stuff would be better if the WWE aired a video package showing Albert going into training to become Lord Tensai, much like Bruce Wayne did with Liam Neeson and the League of Assassins in Batman Begins.

Of course, it could also be like the video package when Tito Santana became El Matador.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
Lord Tensai should probably be for Smackdown only right now. At least there he can get some piped in crowd noise to go along with his squashes as well as being one of the only big guys. Umaga got off to a shakey start too, maybe giving him a guy who talks would help. What is Estrada up to these days?
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
Re: Brock kicking Cena in the nuts, this must be the funniest thing Eve has ever Tweeted:

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I couldn't help but notice... Brock must be studying my work.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.41
I didn't see the show thanks to the Mets game, but I can't believe they're gonna give away the Cena-Lesnar match less than a month into Lesnar's return. That is dumb. I would have held off on the match until Summerslam that way you get better build and the match can be made into an even bigger deal.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I don't agree on the conditioning concern. Brock's training regimen for fights was as monstrous as he is, and they prepared him to shove around someone working against him for thirty minutes. Wrestling is all about cooperative storytelling, and Cena doesn't sandbag his opponents.

    Given the accidental pasting of Cena last night, I'm sure that someone backstage is gonna pull Lesnar aside before Extreme Rules and remind him to pull his punches. He worked in OVW and the WWE for, what, four years? Five? Those skills are still in those muscles somewhere.

    Now if they give him a RAW match before then (unlikely), and he damn near cripples someone (hopefully unlikelier), then they have cause to worry.

    Also, and this should be the last time I mention this, I FUCKING CALLED THIS BEFORE MANIA.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Brock/Cena did that on purpose with the first punch. I think they went for the busted lip.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.07
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      I think, given Lesnar's fitness and the fact that it's crazy to do a clean match of this stature so soon, the Extreme Rules match will end up as a giant schmozz.


    I concur. Brock has not wrestled a worked pro wrestling match in 8 years. His UFC fights have lasted just a few minutes each.


The UFC fights might have lasted a few minutes but they were scheduled for five five-minute rounds, which Brock was surely training for the fight to go the distance.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.10
    Originally posted by graves9
    I didn't see the show thanks to the Mets game, but I can't believe they're gonna give away the Cena-Lesnar match less than a month into Lesnar's return. That is dumb. I would have held off on the match until Summerslam that way you get better build and the match can be made into an even bigger deal.

Who knows if Brock's health, or possibly attitude, holds out that long? They might want to get their dream matches in as soon as they can. Similar to Angle fighting Joe immediately in TNA.

I also suspect that Cena is the first in a series of Big Fights we will see with Brock.




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#29 Posted on
Lesnar's first match is in a few weeks and he was "brought in" by heel GM John Laurinitis. He's going to be just another guy by this Summer. Way to go, geeks in creative.

Also, the reason that people are so tepid towards Tensai's offense is that the gimmick sucks. Is he a white guy who thinks he's Japanese? A white guy who disrespects the Japanese by saying he "conquered" them? It's 2012 and he has a feudal serf accompanying him everywhere? What on Earth is going on here? The crowd's confused and confounded. Compound that with the fact that everyone knows who he is (hence the "Albert" chants).

Also - and this may seem like a minor nitpick but it really isn't - if you're going to start hour 1 with everyone in the company running into the ring to separate two guys, don't start hour 2 with absolutely nobody coming out to break up the ten(?) minutes of Chris Jericho and Mark Henry attacking Jericho and the former pouring beer all over him. It's the sort of logic that doesn't need to be consistent week to week, but does within the span of sixty minutes.

I know I'm a cranky pants. RAW actually wasn't all that bad, entertainment wise, but my God are they blowing it with several things. Ask this company to change a lightbulb and they'll stick a candle in the socket.

    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    The Rock was in godly shape and he was visibly struggling with the pace and length of his WrestleMania match against Cena.


The difference between Rock's glamour muscles and real cardio/muscle endurance aside (the guy rarely went 30 minutes when he was doing this on the regular), I would not say Rock was anywhere near "Godly shape" for Wrestlemania.



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#30 Posted on
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker

    Given the accidental pasting of Cena last night, I'm sure that someone backstage is gonna pull Lesnar aside before Extreme Rules and remind him to pull his punches. He worked in OVW and the WWE for, what, four years? Five? Those skills are still in those muscles somewhere.

    Now if they give him a RAW match before then (unlikely), and he damn near cripples someone (hopefully unlikelier), then they have cause to worry.

    Also, and this should be the last time I mention this, I FUCKING CALLED THIS BEFORE MANIA.

Maybe it wasn't accidental. Make it look as real as possible.




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by edoug
    Maybe it wasn't accidental. Make it look as real as possible.



Hokienautic said the same, and I just dunno. I mean, do we consider Mayweather busting up Big Show to be real or a convenient accident?

That's giving Lesnar a lot of credit for being able to smack the face of your company without damaging that face.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by edoug
      Maybe it wasn't accidental. Make it look as real as possible.



    Hokienautic said the same, and I just dunno. I mean, do we consider Mayweather busting up Big Show to be real or a convenient accident?

    That's giving Lesnar a lot of credit for being able to smack the face of your company without damaging that face.
I'd chalk it up to Lesnar being instructed (or making the decision himself) to "make it look good" in a way he won't be doing in the actual match.

Like, in the build up of Big Show/Mayweather, Big Show punched Jericho *really fucking hard in the face*, and a billion replays were showed afterwards. Big Show isn't still punching people *really fucking hard in the face* on a nightly basis. Big Show might not have been trying to hurt Jericho or cause his face to swell, but he likely was erring more on the side of *hit him really fucking hard in the face* than not.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
Did we ever decide if Jericho meant to potato Mrs. Shawn Michaels?

I know guys can work stiff. I remember Vader telling Shamrock to ease up during their TV match.





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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by edoug
      Maybe it wasn't accidental. Make it look as real as possible.



    Hokienautic said the same, and I just dunno. I mean, do we consider Mayweather busting up Big Show to be real or a convenient accident?

    That's giving Lesnar a lot of credit for being able to smack the face of your company without damaging that face.


I think there's a pretty big difference between "bloody his lip" and "break his nose." Just like there'd be a big difference between "get a knuckle on his eyebrow to draw hardway" and "crush the orbital socket of his eye."
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I think there's a pretty big difference between "bloody his lip" and "break his nose." Just like there'd be a big difference between "get a knuckle on his eyebrow to draw hardway" and "crush the orbital socket of his eye."


I think Lesnar gets leeway either way. If it's an accident, he ain't catching heat the way Kofi or Miz would. If it's on purpose, Lesnar gets points for adding blood to the feud right before a No-DQ PPV *and* Cena gets some backstage attaboys for taking it for the good of selling the angle.




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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
Let me pose this question: How are we regarding Brock Lesnar now? In that, what is he? By this I mean, Brock was an amateur wrestling champion who became a pro wrestler. Then he stopped being a pro wrestler, tried his hand at football and became a football player (wrestler turned failed football player), and then became a legitimate (for lack of a better word) mixed martial arts fighter and champion.

So now, Brock is back in WWE, for a year, reportedly. But is he considered a pro wrestler again? Or is he an MMA fighter who is pro wrestling again? Is he just simply both?

Because a lot of Brock's current mystique is that he is "legitimate". That's part of the storyline as introduced on RAW this week, with the very word "legitimacy" used.

I see Brock as an MMA fighter first and foremost, who is now back to pro wrestling. At least right now. That's how he's being presented. What about you?

(edited by John Orquiola on 10.4.12 1205)


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#37 Posted on
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
        Originally posted by edoug
        Maybe it wasn't accidental. Make it look as real as possible.



      Hokienautic said the same, and I just dunno. I mean, do we consider Mayweather busting up Big Show to be real or a convenient accident?

      That's giving Lesnar a lot of credit for being able to smack the face of your company without damaging that face.
    I'd chalk it up to Lesnar being instructed (or making the decision himself) to "make it look good" in a way he won't be doing in the actual match.

    Like, in the build up of Big Show/Mayweather, Big Show punched Jericho *really fucking hard in the face*, and a billion replays were showed afterwards. Big Show isn't still punching people *really fucking hard in the face* on a nightly basis. Big Show might not have been trying to hurt Jericho or cause his face to swell, but he likely was erring more on the side of *hit him really fucking hard in the face* than not.


Considering how much of a company guy Cena is, He and Lesnar decided why not.

Hokienautic,I apologize for not reading this thread more thoroughly.







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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    I see Brock as an MMA fighter first and foremost, who is now back to pro wrestling. At least right now. That's how he's being presented. What about you?


I really see him as a bullet list without a clear motivation. Very fast, very strong, massive, hard-headed, withdrawn. I think he's a guy who's constantly holding himself back lest he breaks something or shoots off his mouth. When he took the mic after winning the UFC belt, that was unabashed, undiluted Brock. And he had to step back from that, back into his cocoon, lest he tear up the china shop. I think that's why he likes his life on the farm. He can be himself. But he knows there's not many options for him to make his living, but they all involve throwing people around in front of crowds.

What is he? He's the moodiest bull in the pasture.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.18
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Let me pose this question: How are we regarding Brock Lesnar now? In that, what is he? By this I mean, Brock was an amateur wrestling champion who became a pro wrestler. Then he stopped being a pro wrestler, tried his hand at football and became a football player (wrestler turned failed football player), and then became a legitimate (for lack of a better word) mixed martial arts fighter and champion.

    So now, Brock is back in WWE, for a year, reportedly. But is he considered a pro wrestler again? Or is he an MMA fighter who is pro wrestling again? Is he just simply both?

    Because a lot of Brock's current mystique is that he is "legitimate". That's part of the storyline as introduced on RAW this week, with the very word "legitimacy" used.

    I see Brock as an MMA fighter first and foremost, who is now back to pro wrestling. At least right now. That's how he's being presented. What about you?

    (edited by John Orquiola on 10.4.12 1205)


Hell of a question. I think they are going with Lesnar is a real deal fighter ie MMA. They keep using the words legit and bring up UFC. I believe they are going in a way to show how Brock evolved from WWE guy to MMA guy and now back in WWE to show us how to really fight. I know its only been a few moves, but his take down and punching of Cena reminded me of UFC what very very little I have seen of it. So, I am wondering if we are going to have a MMA match or at least one that reminds us of MMA with Brock/Cena at Extreme Rules.

It does beg the question though if they are also throwing WWE under the bus as far as how legit they are?



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    I think, given Lesnar's fitness and the fact that it's crazy to do a clean match of this stature so soon, the Extreme Rules match will end up as a giant schmozz.


That's a tricky finish. Lesnar should win his first match, but Cena just lost the biggest match of his life. Cena could lose valiantly by referee stoppage, but that still makes you look bad when Undertaker just refused to let a match be stopped despite 1000 chairshots. I think DQ, wild postmatch brawl, and bringing it back is the likeliest route ... although this is a night of EXTREME RULES. They'll have to bill their match as "no no DQ."

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    YES. Pre-Taped Call-In Talk Show was exactly what I thought of as soon as the Big Show interruption went directly into the clip of the Big Show interruption. I'd like to see what kind of bumps Dolph Ziggler would take if they let him do The Story of Everest next week


I could see Daniel Bryan fitting in well at the Teardrop Awards.

    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Brock/Cena did that on purpose with the first punch. I think they went for the busted lip.


I think it's very probable that you're right. It's funny how Triple H and Undertaker poured so much time and discomfort into trying to crack HHH's eyebrow for a couple drops of blood when it turns out all you need to do is let a UFC fighter give you one good free shot.
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