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#81 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    John Cena was the ostensible victor in the feud, yet they had to invent this bizarre heel turn from Eve Torres so that he could save face. Also, be a star, but if there's ever a woman you don't like, totally fell free to call her a hoe and a skank and tell everyone that she has many sexually transmitted diseases.


I have to take issue with this, and all the other "oh won't someone please think of the sexism!" handwringing going on across the net. Eve isn't just a "woman Cena doesn't like", she's a heel who readily admitted to fucking with these two and getting Ryder repeatedly beaten. She set out to get between Ryder and Cena and succeeded. She. Is. A. Heel. And she got her comeuppance. She got it way too quickly and the booking of it was absurd, but to clutch your collective purses about her being called a hoeski and having STD cracks aimed at her after she kayfabe admitted going after multiple men for their influence...well, that's the kind of chivalrous silliness that just exacerbates the inequality between men and women.

Sure, Eve was booked to look like shit. So is 90% of the roster, male and female. WWE is an equal opportunities burier, and Cena calling a heel girl names over her being a heel is less nasty sexism and more just rubbish WWE writing.
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#82 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
Eve was the bully, she bullied Zack.
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#83 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.93
Still don't get how any of this helps Ryder at all. He's been made to look like a guy who can't fight his own battles and been totally cuckolded by Eve.
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#84 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Still don't get how any of this helps Ryder at all. He's been made to look like a guy who can't fight his own battles and been totally cuckolded by Eve.


It shouldn't, but there was the crowd chanting WE WANT RYDER at her. It might work out for him okay after all if they can find a way to transfer her heat into someone he can actually have a program with. Kane is a weird pal for the stuck-up hot girl and I think Ryder would have a hard time ever being allowed to get real revenge on him, but he deserves some. Eve getting with Jack Swagger gives him a good long-term program but I'm not sure why Eve would turn her sights from John Cena to Jack Swagger unless she mistakenly thinks the United States Championship is important. OTOH, I feel like she and Miz would see eye-to-eye on a lot of things right now.
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#85 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.54
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    OTOH, I feel like she and Miz would see eye-to-eye on a lot of things right now.


Is it too much to hope that Ryder brings in Layla to fight with Eve?



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#86 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Is it too much to hope that Ryder brings in Layla to fight with Eve?
Yeah, what HAPPENED to Layla? She was my fave.



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#87 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.81
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Is it too much to hope that Ryder brings in Layla to fight with Eve?
    Yeah, what HAPPENED to Layla? She was my fave.


She's still recovering from a knee injury.
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#88 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.77
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      John Cena was the ostensible victor in the feud, yet they had to invent this bizarre heel turn from Eve Torres so that he could save face. Also, be a star, but if there's ever a woman you don't like, totally fell free to call her a hoe and a skank and tell everyone that she has many sexually transmitted diseases.


    I have to take issue with this, and all the other "oh won't someone please think of the sexism!" handwringing going on across the net. Eve isn't just a "woman Cena doesn't like", she's a heel who readily admitted to fucking with these two and getting Ryder repeatedly beaten. She set out to get between Ryder and Cena and succeeded. She. Is. A. Heel. And she got her comeuppance. She got it way too quickly and the booking of it was absurd, but to clutch your collective purses about her being called a hoeski and having STD cracks aimed at her after she kayfabe admitted going after multiple men for their influence...well, that's the kind of chivalrous silliness that just exacerbates the inequality between men and women.

    Sure, Eve was booked to look like shit. So is 90% of the roster, male and female. WWE is an equal opportunities burier, and Cena calling a heel girl names over her being a heel is less nasty sexism and more just rubbish WWE writing.


It's not sexist because the woman is the heel, or because John Cena isn't nice to her. It's sexist because apparently, to John Cena and/or WWE, manipulating men automatically means a person has STDs or is has many sexual partners or something. Or even if she does have many sexual partners, that that makes her a bad person. She's not a bad person because she may or may not have STDs, she's a bad person for lying. When was the last time John Cena criticized a male person for being a liar by attacking his sexual habits? He doesn't, because it would make no sense. And it makes no sense here.

Daniel Bryan is a heel doing pretty much exactly the same thing with AJ right now, using someone he doesn't admit to having feelings for, and yet somehow "ho" and "STD" haven't been thrown in his direction, at least not that I've heard.

Not that sexism is new to pro wrestling or that this is the worst example of it. But that still doesn't make it not sexist.

Also, denouncing complaints of sexism in the same paragraph where you equate complaining about this to "clutching your collective purses" is not very tactful.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 22.2.12 1801)
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#89 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.39
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    When was the last time John Cena criticized a male person for being a liar by attacking his sexual habits? He doesn't, because it would make no sense. And it makes no sense here.


Mocking another man's sexual habits is really more of a Dwayne thing.

I should like to point out Eve hasn't actually slept with anybody (that we know of. And I'm referring to Eve the television character.) We know straight from Eve's lips that Zack never even got to first base. And we saw with our own eyes Cena did, then wanted no part of it again on RAW, even when Eve was begging to walk him to first.

So. #Hoeski? Technically no. Also, there shouldn't be an 'e' in Hoski, but try telling the grammatically challenged WWE Universe this.

(edited by John Orquiola on 22.2.12 1508)

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#90 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Also, there shouldn't be an 'e' in Hoski, but try telling the grammatically challenged WWE Universe this.
Actually, 20 years of liner notes in rap albums beg to differ.

Actually2, they say it can be spelled either way, like Taz and Tazzzzzzzz.



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#91 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
    Originally posted by CRZ
    I predict Kharma will not resurface until after WrestleMania and there's no reason to even mention her. (Her Rumble appearance was clearly a "Rob van Dam")

    I haven't been paying attention, but has this Ace/Long superbattle been announced anywhere besides Justin's fertile imagination?


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    There are believed to be five more matches to be announced for the four-hour show. One match is expected to be a team match where a heel team captained by John Laurinaitis will go against a face team captained by Teddy Long, and the winning captain will become General Manager of both Raw and Smackdown. There is talk that match will replace the previously scheduled Money in the Bank ladder match, which will be moved to a later PPV, but time will tell.

    In addition, there will likely be some sort of match involving the women, although we have heard sentiment against putting the women on just to do so. It's been suggested to have the women work a pre-show match because it wouldn't be good to have to shave 10 or 15 minutes off matches people want to see that inevitably get the short shrift at Mania to get a match people may not really care about on the show. But at the end of the day, they seem to have the mentality you need the women on, plus it's the idea they've worked all year for it.

    The reason the Kharma appearance at the Rumble hasn't been followed up on is she hasn't fully recovered from giving birth and isn't yet ready to work a full-time schedule, although that should be soon and they are seemingly building a program with Phoenix. Trish Stratus and Phoenix have been doing a twitter angle, arguing over who was the most dominant champion. If Stratus has her way, that would lead to something at Mania. But Kharma should be ready by then.
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#92 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Is it too much to hope that Ryder brings in Layla to fight with Eve?
    Yeah, what HAPPENED to Layla? She was my fave.


Now that taker is back, maybe michelle will be back too.



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#93 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.93
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      Still don't get how any of this helps Ryder at all. He's been made to look like a guy who can't fight his own battles and been totally cuckolded by Eve.


    It shouldn't, but there was the crowd chanting WE WANT RYDER at her. It might work out for him okay after all if they can find a way to transfer her heat into someone he can actually have a program with. Kane is a weird pal for the stuck-up hot girl and I think Ryder would have a hard time ever being allowed to get real revenge on him, but he deserves some. Eve getting with Jack Swagger gives him a good long-term program but I'm not sure why Eve would turn her sights from John Cena to Jack Swagger unless she mistakenly thinks the United States Championship is important. OTOH, I feel like she and Miz would see eye-to-eye on a lot of things right now.


Nope the only way it works if he kicks KANE'S ass. And if Jacobs isn't willing to do that after all the shit people have sold for him over the years, he should be fired.
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#94 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      Originally posted by dwaters
      Hope they realized they just made a Hell in a Cell match for a stadium show and can't exactly lower the cage from the ceiling


    Y..wait, how IS that going to work? I know they have a rain tarp thing above the ring. This seems dangerous.


Dangerous schmangerous, how epic would Hell in a Cell in the Rain be? Stills from it alone would sell a million shirts.

Seriously, I'm guessing a musical act will kill time for us at home for about 20 minutes while they build the damn thing (remember, it's going to be a loooooong show).

I for one would love to see Barrett in the ring for Mania even if it's with a huge cast. In fact, going up against Big Show the cast could be a huge angle, with Show and other people getting clobbered with it like it's a weapon.

Keeping with the tradition that MITB winners are previously not champions, I'm picking either Ziggler or Santino. I have a funny feeling someone backstage might have heard the pops Santino has been getting lately.





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#95 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

    Nope the only way it works if he kicks KANE'S ass. And if Jacobs isn't willing to do that after all the shit people have sold for him over the years, he should be fired.


I don't think Jacobs would ever have a problem with showing figurative ass for anybody, it's the higher-ups who would put the kibosh on a Ryder/Kane comeuppance. Let's not start attacking a guy for no reason here.
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#96 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19




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#97 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.98
Maybe they are setting Eve and her STD's up to be the valet for RVD?
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#98 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

      Nope the only way it works if he kicks KANE'S ass. And if Jacobs isn't willing to do that after all the shit people have sold for him over the years, he should be fired.


    I don't think Jacobs would ever have a problem with showing figurative ass for anybody, it's the higher-ups who would put the kibosh on a Ryder/Kane comeuppance. Let's not start attacking a guy for no reason here.


Yeah, that's all I meant. I'd rather Ryder not work with Kane at all if they're going to be reluctant to have Kane give up much to him. Plus his heat is now basically with Eve and not Kane -- Kane would break anyone's back but Eve broke his heart, man. Quite frankly, Eve is more over as a heel than Kane is with his horror movie crap because her malicious acts are more relatable.
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#99 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.93
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
        Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

        Nope the only way it works if he kicks KANE'S ass. And if Jacobs isn't willing to do that after all the shit people have sold for him over the years, he should be fired.


      I don't think Jacobs would ever have a problem with showing figurative ass for anybody, it's the higher-ups who would put the kibosh on a Ryder/Kane comeuppance. Let's not start attacking a guy for no reason here.


    Yeah, that's all I meant. I'd rather Ryder not work with Kane at all if they're going to be reluctant to have Kane give up much to him. Plus his heat is now basically with Eve and not Kane -- Kane would break anyone's back but Eve broke his heart, man. Quite frankly, Eve is more over as a heel than Kane is with his horror movie crap because her malicious acts are more relatable.


Yeah, but when has Kane really had to show ass? He always comes out looking like the badass whether he wins or loses. I don't care if it is management or Jacobs himself, it is time he started putting over some people.

(edited by Scottyflamingo on 23.2.12 1421)
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#100 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.96
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Yeah, but when has Kane really had to show ass? He always comes out looking like the badass whether he wins or loses. I don't care if it is management or Jacobs himself, it is time he started putting over some people.



You are kidding, right? All Kane ever really does is put over people. I'm probably one of 12 people who bought the Kane DVD; the 3rd disc (the slightly more recent stuff, 04-08) has 9 matches not counting special features. HE WINS TWO OF THEM. TWO. Drew McIntyre and Ezekiel Jackson both think he jobs too much. What's the last feud Kane actually won?



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