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Since: 16.4.02
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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.48
Welcome home, men of the 2nd Bn, 127th Infantry, 32d "Red Arrow" Brigade, WI Army National Guard! Job well done in Iraq!

    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
      Originally posted by Whattaburger
        Originally posted by odessasteps
        Sounds like the highlight of the show was Punk namedropping Buck Zumhoffe.


      I don't think it's too big a secret (for anyone older than 30) that Mr. Zumhoffe is a native of the Land of 10,000 Lakes, but Punk's name-dropping was likely for the benefit of the handful of Minneapolis-based wrestlers in the crowd. They enjoy making fun of ol' Rock 'n' Roll from time to time backstage.

      Pipe-bomb!


    Now, if he had name dropped Wally Karbo or Ken Resnick, I would have shit my pants.


I can attest to the Zumhoffe thing. It's a practice all over Midwest indy locker rooms.

If you've ever seen his current dreck of a show, you'll know why.





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Since: 23.6.10
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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.93
I have no desire to have this GM BS play out as both Long and Johnny are as exciting as Melba Toast, but besides that...

So who should be in MITB? Is Ziggler still alive?
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Since: 9.1.02
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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.30
I know Mania is a whopping 40 days away, but maybe last night's ugliness should be a warning *not* to do MITB this year?



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Since: 22.2.04
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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
Just some quick thoughts:

- Very good promo by Cena.

- Punk was great on commentary, as usual.

- Kofi Rhodes...

- Weird Battle Royal of Doom! WTF!

- Wait, Mark Henry isn't cleared to wrestle in one of the PPV main events on Sunday, but he can wrestle on RAW one (!) day later?

- Yes, Jericho isn't "there" yet. I agree. He needs to step up big time. Soon.

- So, Undertaker vs. Triple H is a Hell in a Cell match now? I don't like this at all. The streak should be the main focus at Wrestlemania, nothing else. The Cell gimmick kind of overshadows the streak being on the line. I hope they don't add Shawn Michaels as ref as well => total overbooking!





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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.47
    Originally posted by CRZ
    I predict Kharma will not resurface until after WrestleMania and there's no reason to even mention her. (Her Rumble appearance was clearly a "Rob van Dam")

    DISCLAIMER: This probably means she'll be on tonight's Super Smackdown


Or does she resurface at WrestleMania and squash whatever match they trot out there?

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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01

    Cena vs. Rock
    Undertaker vs. HHH Hell in a Cell
    Punk vs. Jericho
    Bryan vs. Sheamus
    Shaq and Show vs. Cody and ?? Drew, maybe? (Injured Wade at ringside?)
    Kharma vs. Beth
    RAW GM vs. Smackdown GM teams - One GM to GM Them All
    Money in the Bank
    Kane with Eve vs. Zack


Just to flesh out the multi-man bouts....

Team Long (Rey Mysterio, Ted Dibiase, Santino, Funkasaurus) vs. Team Big Johnny (Del Rio, Henry, Christian, Otunga)....if Clay is still in the doghouse, I love the idea of McIntyre turning face and bailing Teddy out at Wrestlemania

MITB: Kingston, Truth, Miz, Orton, Hunico, Swagger, Ziggler



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Since: 12.12.01
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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
Kharma/Beth in an actual title program and not just the usual All Gals Whatever match would seem like internet wishful thinking were it not for Beth talking about being the most dominant ever and having no more worlds left to conquer.

I think Orton will still win his way into a SD title threeway since he was denied a fair opportunity by Daniel Bryan. Otherwise Teddy has a hell of a ringer to fight for his candidacy.

McIntyre/Gabriel/DiBiase/Primo/Hunico are good workers who would normally be left off the card, but depending on how the GM match shakes out there might be some room for at least a few of them. Maybe the heel party photo op was just a timekiller and it'll be a one-on-one match like Orton vs. Del Rio, in which case your Bank runneth over again. I feel like speculating further with another episode of their TV imminent is a waste of my time -- AND YET I LOVE IT.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Cena tried to run Punk down with his terrorist comment.


    Originally posted by lotjx
    the terrorist comment he made about Punk was way out of line


I'm glad you keep coming back to this seeing as how it's the most absurd point you've ever made.


    Rock coming back and never leaving was creating the Twitter and facebook page where he does a good job posting everyday. Granted, its Hang in their Kitty inspirational tweets


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    Originally posted by dwaters
    Hope they realized they just made a Hell in a Cell match for a stadium show and can't exactly lower the cage from the ceiling


Y..wait, how IS that going to work? I know they have a rain tarp thing above the ring. This seems dangerous.

    Originally posted by Dr Notbloodylikely
    At this point, they'd be crazy to put Santino anywhere but in MITB.


I want it for Ziggler so he can take the next step, but Santino outright winning MITB would be worth it for the crowd reactions every time he's about to cash in.

    Originally posted by DU
    'm with you 99% of the time here, but man, do these guys reallyneed 20 minutes to a half hour every week, every February? UT kinda earned that "WHAT?"-ing by rambling like he was. They just can't help but be overly pretentious with these segments, and you can cut ten minutes out and get that same crowd reaction it took them 20 minutes to finally get if you cut the "WE'RE THE LAST OF OUR KIND!"/"I'm a BUSINESS, man, not a businessman!" (though I'd mark hard if HHH dropped that one) references by half (especially with five to ten other guys still who could be at WM who have decade-long roots). If they weren't so hellbent on telling us "THIS IS IMPORTANT!" over and over and over, I'd be a lot more inclined to believe them.


Well I was partially saying that just to poke the bellybutton of the people who have been bothered. But I do think they really are the last of their kind when it comes to being able to do a serious pro wrestling angle about a-fightin'. The appeal to me is that it's practically the only thing that bothers to take the time to treat itself as important. Given the same time and carte blanche enjoyed by Taker and HHH, I think a lot of other talent would still make the match secondary to talking about how "I'm more entertaining than you" or doing puns about their opponents' names. (Although funnily enough, the closest thing to an authentic wrestling promo not done by HHH, Taker, Jericho, or Punk in a long time was Ziggler and Ryder's interviews for their feud on YouTube.)
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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.39
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      Originally posted by dwaters
      Hope they realized they just made a Hell in a Cell match for a stadium show and can't exactly lower the cage from the ceiling


    Y..wait, how IS that going to work? I know they have a rain tarp thing above the ring. This seems dangerous.


Jim Ross fields this one in his blog. (jrsbarbq.com)

    Originally posted by Good Ol' Okie in the Black Resistol Hat
    Q..."How will WWE hang the HIAC above the ring in an open air stadium?" They will build a massive structure to not only hold the ring lighting grid but the HIAC as well. It will be impressive I assure you.


There. You have been assured. JR also has words for the jerks - and to be clear, they were jerks - who chanted "What?" at Undertaker:

    Originally posted by Sauce It!
    Speaking of Minneapolis, the minority of fans who were verbally disrespectful of Undertaker with annoying "What" chants, etc aren't really wrestling fans. They are insecure, attention starved, defiant individuals seeking recognition. So, they have now been recognized and I'm embarrassed for them.




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Since: 26.10.10
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#69 Posted on
If I may make a prediction, I believe we're not going to get a MITB ladder match this year at Mania. I can see them holding off on it until... say, Summerslam, or maybe one of the more jobberific PPV's later in the year that could use the little boost provided by such a gimmick match.

So I'm thinking all these guys being fantasy booked into the MITB match may well instead be booked into the Long/Johnny GM battle. Because everyone loves an eight man tag match that lasts about three minutes! Remember the one from last year? Yeah, me neither.

If this happens though, it means guys like DiBiase, Swagger, Hunico, etc may be relegated to the pre-show battle royal and/or backstage segments during the show.

CRZ-ESQUE DISCLAIMER: They will announce the participants of the MITB ladder match tonight on Super Smackdown!
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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.97
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Dr Notbloodylikely
      At this point, they'd be crazy to put Santino anywhere but in MITB.


    I want it for Ziggler so he can take the next step, but Santino outright winning MITB would be worth it for the crowd reactions every time he's about to cash in.


I think it would be great for Santino to win and then be the first one to fail in his attempt to cash in the shot and LOSE the WWE/World Title match, if only because it would break the streak and remove the "it is inevitable that this man with the briefcase will be the WWE/World Champion"-thing they always have.



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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.64
    Originally posted by Super 7-Up
    If I may make a prediction, I believe we're not going to get a MITB ladder match this year at Mania.


Yes.

My (not insubstantial) gut is telling me that we will get the GM themed Superfriends versus the Legion of Doom or Money In The Bank but not both.

This from the man who tipped Kane to win the Ambulance match...
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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
I haven't been paying attention, but has this Ace/Long superbattle been announced anywhere besides Justin's fertile imagination?



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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
If tbey are seemingly throwing Everything but the kitchen sink for rhis mania, might as well have a ladder match and hitc.



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Since: 1.8.02
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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.71
Please tell me that now we're all done with the Eve/Ryder/Cena debacle. Pretty please?

Not so crazy about the turning point of the Undertaker/HHH discussion. "You're not really sure you're better than Shawn" is the decisive leverage point? Weak.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Miz's Hate Girl has been replaced by Punk's Love Girl. Right before he sat down to do commentary, he stopped to talk to a girl in a Punk shirt at ringside, and her joy is operatic. You could almost see an aura around her. That was my favorite moment of RAW.
Did everybody hear the squeak from her? She nearly had a cardiac arrest when he went over & shook her hand. She was still in meltdown as they flocked back to their seats.

Lite-Brite. Tee-hee.

That was just an ugly, ugly spot in the ME. Almost looked like there might have been a communication problem, whether Show was going to toss Ziggler all the way to the table, or whether Kofi & Wade were supposed to catch Dolph. Glad that Dolph is OK, & that Wade isn't much, much worse.

After the match, Jericho quite clearly asked the ref, "What happened to Wade? That was interesting.

    Originally posted by It's False
    This also begs the question, why would Rhodes be so sloppy as to throw out Santino into the middle of an EMT scene?
Alternatively, why would Santino be so sloppy as to fall into the EMTs, rather than forward where there was plenty of room?

I don't think the logistics of hanging a cell over the ring at a stadium is that problematic. At the WM in Phoenix, they had a big, over-arching structure that they used for a bunch of stuff. It was *big*. (Not finding good embeddable ones. Search or try here (prowrestling.about.com). or here (images3.wikia.nocookie.net).)
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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.65
I'm always annoyed at how they hype who the champion will be going into WrestleMania. It's (under) 6 weeks away, neither champ will have to defend their title before then?

It looked like Big Show threw Ziggler harder than he wanted, and he flew too far.

When Raw started with Eve explaining to the Bellas (and the audience) her master plan, I thought we'd have the "wrestlers never watch the show" problem, but they went to Cena overhearing right away.
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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
Since the structure is going to be there anyway, is it too much to hope for MITBITC?



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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.81
    Originally posted by Ecks
    It's (under) 6 weeks away, neither champ will have to defend their title before then?


Well actually both guys will defend their titles over a dozen times each before Wrestlemania.... at house shows and dark matches... Heck, Punk had to defend this title against Dolph Ziggler last night after the cameras went off the air.. lol.. Of course, when's the last time a major title (world champion or wwe champion) changed at a house show or dark match?? lol

Yea, I get your point. And I thought titles had to be defended every 30 days (rolleyes)
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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.89
Regarding the Bellas, I can't understand why they were the ones to get talked to by Eve at the start of the show. They were the two who hae been shunning Zack Ryder for many a week. But NOW they start defending him? The Bellas were also the two who went after Alberto Del Rio because he was/is rich. Surely they, of any of the divas, would understand Eve's motivation for going after Cena.

After the first segment, my conclusion was that maybe the twins would turn face, or at least have their character change a bit. But then later, they wrestle Kelly Kelly and Aksana (who is the new owner of the worst elbow drop in history), and the Bellas cheat to win. Wha??

Was there really no other divas to have the Eve segment with?

Overall, Raw was a good show, so it ultimately doesn't matter.

(edited by Torchslasher on 21.2.12 2030)


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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
    Originally posted by CRZ
    I haven't been paying attention, but has this Ace/Long superbattle been announced anywhere besides Justin's fertile imagination?


They took a picture, man. A picture.

Look how hard I work on my predictions only for this to happen: Shaq will not compete at WrestleMania

    Originally posted by Ecks
    I'm always annoyed at how they hype who the champion will be going into WrestleMania. It's (under) 6 weeks away, neither champ will have to defend their title before then?


Actually I think they usually keep it that way. They call the Elimination Chamber the last stop on the road to Wrestlemania and say that the champions that retain will defend their titles there. And then they don't book any title matches on TV.
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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.95
So this Kane/Cena storyline was one of the rare storylines where everyone comes out of it looking worse than they did coming in.

As the antagonist, Kane looks weaker because he apparently failed to do any of the things he set out to do (i.e. make Cena embrace hate [except he seems to hate Eve Torres pretty well now, but I'm not sure that's what Kane had in mind]).

Zack Ryder looks like a tool (even more than usual?), because his part in the story was getting dominated by Kane every turn, including a "broken back", seeing his girlfriend kiss his best friend, and now having her tell everyone that their relationship was a scam and he could never sexually please her.

John Cena was the ostensible victor in the feud, yet they had to invent this bizarre heel turn from Eve Torres so that he could save face. Also, be a star, but if there's ever a woman you don't like, totally fell free to call her a hoe and a skank and tell everyone that she has many sexually transmitted diseases.

And Eve Torres. Her long strange trip starts in the story started with her deigning to put up with Zack Ryder. That quickly leads to them being inseparable, her watching as he is quickly destroyed for several weeks in a row, her being the bitch who blames John Cena for Zack Ryder's troubles (as if that isn't the correct assessment), then the woman who makes out with other dudes, and finally whatever this was supposed to be tonight where the dates with Zack Ryder and being threatened by Kane and all the yelling and rides in ambulances are somehow all so that she can get with John Cena. I think any sane person would say that a much easier way would maybe to have been to, IDK, be flirty to John Cena a month ago?

This whole storyline has been a clusterfuck, and the writers responsible are at fault for either writing a horrible ending to an obviously temporarily storyline that was going to get shunted to the side after Elimination Chamber so that Cena could focus on his already announced Wrestlemania opponent, or they are at fault for writing themselves into a storyline that they could only resolve with a heel turn that instantly makes the whole thing story make no sense.
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