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TONIGHT: Shawn Michaels makes his RAW return, thanks to GM John Laurinaitis, who received a seal of approval from the WWE Board of Directors last Tuesday. What will he have to say to his best friend, Triple H, about the Undertaker’s Wrestlemania challenge? Plus, WWE.com has announced three matches, all featuring Elimination Chamber participants (the PPV of which is on Sunday): CM Punk vs. The Miz, Kofi Kingston vs. Chris Jericho, and Dolph Ziggler vs. R-Truth. Also announced, from Smackdown: The Big Show vs. Randy Orton.


-WWE Open.

-A video package of the Kane vs. John Cena feud aired, focusing on the comments he made to Eve Torres at the end of last week’s show.

-Extreme close-up on Kane’s eyes backstage. He said tonight, John Cena will embrace the hate and someone will take a ride in this….camera panned to the side to show an ambulance. “Embracing the hate” is such an intangible concept though – couldn’t one say Cena “embraced the hate” when he clobbered Jack Swagger, or even Kane a few weeks ago? What would Cena have to do that Kane would consider “embracing the hate”?

-Raw Open.

-Michael Cole opened the show by talking about how Johnny Ace is still in charge (complete with graphic), then said Shawn Michaels will be on the show later.

-But first, to the ring, where Jerry Lawler was set to moderate, for the first time ever, a debate with all the Elimination Chamber participants. Each was in the ring and stood behind a podium while Lawler introduced them. Are they serious here? Huge chants for Punk. Before Punk could answer the first question set before him by Lawler, Johnny Ace interrupted and walked onto the stage with David Otunga. Ace said he was happy to be there and thanked the Board of Directors for their vote of confidence. Strangely, he’s still “interim” GM, so that vote of confidence must not have meant much. Back to Punk, who said the debate would not end in violence, then congratulated Ace on convincing the Board to remain in a position of power, saying he must’ve done a lot of begging. Thirdly, Punk said he’ll win the Chamber match because he’s the best wrestler in the world. The look by Chris Jericho said he took exception to that.

Lawler offered Dolph Ziggler a rebuttal, but Vickie Guerrero interrupted and said there should be no booing allowed. Ziggler said he’s a better wrestler than Punk and everyone in the ring at everything. He said he backs it up every single night, while people like R-Truth don’t even know what state they’re in. Truth said “if I’m elected, the first thing I’ll do is trade Vickie Guerrero and Dolph Ziggler to Smackdown for Hornswoggle and a box of spiders.” Except if they’re on Smackdown, they can still show up on Raw every week. After some back-and-forth with the crowd, he went back to the box of spiders and promised to make spider stew (high protein, low carbs). He called Little Jimmy his “running mate,” and said Jimmy will watch him gulp down the spider stew, giving him the energy to outlast everyone in the Chamber.

On to Miz, who corrected Lawler and said he wasn’t just in the main event of Wrestlemania, he won in that main event to retain his title. Miz said Little Jimmy should take Truth’s spot in the Chamber and said Punk is 0-2 in Chamber matches. Miz said the only time Ziggler has scored for the first time is with an old woman (Vickie). Miz turned to Jericho to address him, but Miz was buzzed and his time was up. He kept talking anyway. Weird, I don’t remember Truth getting buzzed. Kofi said he’s been overlooked far too long but said in one night, everything can change and he might walk out as WWE Champion.

Jericho said he was surrounded by neophytes in the ring and in the arena. He called himself the true best in the world, and said no one has been in more Chamber matches and no one has eliminated more people than him. He said last time he was in a Chamber match, he walked out as World Champion. Jericho addressed Punk specifically, calling him “boy” and telling him to look at him when he speaks. Jericho said he has come to reclaim what is his, but Punk wouldn’t even look at him. Punk pretended like he hadn’t heard anything Jericho said and remembered instead when Jericho left and finished 7th on Dancing with the Stars. Ziggler complained about this concept and Truth said he won’t be talked down to by a man named after Flipper. Lawler then introduced the first match, Kofi Kingston vs. Chris Jericho. Jericho shoved Kingston aside and stood in front of Punk’s podium. He wanted to go with the champ but Punk simply raised the title over his head. Jericho then turned around and walked into Trouble in Paradise.

-After a replay of that, Cole said there are three matches with Chamber “overtones,” including Punk vs. Miz, Truth vs. Ziggler, and Jericho vs. Kingston, and that one is next.

[Commercial Break]

(1) Kofi Kingston vs. Chris Jericho
Bell rang to start the match right out of break. Jericho fought out of a corner as Lawler asked, wouldn’t we like to see Ron Paul dropkick Newt Gingrich after a debate? Jericho was clotheslined over the top rope and Kingston took him out with a suicide dive. Jericho regained control back in the ring. Cover by Jericho got two at 2:10. Jericho held onto the ropes on a dropkick attempt, then appeared to toy with Kingston. Cross-body for two by Kingston, who then began to connect on his signature moves. Jericho caught Kofi coming off the top by grabbing the legs and hooking in the Walls of Jericho. Kofi was close to the ropes and the crowd was behind him and he finally got to the ropes. Jericho argued with the ref and while doing so, was hit with another Trouble in Paradise. The Walls had taken its toll on Kingston, allowing Jericho time to recover and put his foot on the rope to break up the pin. Kofi was aggressively going after Jericho so the ref had to hold him back. While the ref was pulling Kofi off Jericho, Jericho gave him a thumb to the eye then a Codebreaker for the win.

Winner: Jericho, at 5:20. Nothing wrong with that match. I doubt any of these Chamber match previews will end cleanly as WWE probably wants to give the impression that anyone can win.

-Shawn Michaels was walking backstage. He stopped and smiled, then the camera pulled back to show Triple H. The two men embraced as Cole giddily asked if there’d be a DX reunion tonight.

-Also tonight: Randy Orton vs. Big Show.

[Commercial Break]

-Cena was talking to someone backstage, and the camera revealed it was Zack Ryder, in a neckbrace and wheel-chair, with flowers in his lap. He said he can’t stay away from the love of his life, Eve. Cena reminded Ryder of the damage Kane causes whenever Ryder is around. He told Ryder to stay in his locker room and said he’d bring Eve to him and made Ryder promise he wouldn’t leave the locker room.

-Ace and David Otunga (and the travel mug) were conversing backstage (the mug was suspiciously quiet). Otunga pointed out that the board didn’t make Ace permanent Raw GM. Ace said he never thought about that and Otunga said he’d be the permanent Raw GM AND permanent Smackdown GM. Uh, how would that work exactly?

-To the announcers, where Lawler riffed on Otunga, then Cole sent it to clips of the main event from Smackdown on Friday, where Show cost Randy Orton his match against Daniel Bryan.

-Bryan came out for the next match, which happens to be Show vs. Orton. I’m assuming Bryan will join the commentary team, but we’ll see for sure next.

[Commercial Break]

-Daniel Bryan was seated at ringside next to the commentators, but wasn’t wearing a headset. I was looking forward to him sharing some vegan recipes with the announcers.

(2) The Big Show vs. Randy Orton
Show shoved Orton aside then rammed him intot he corner. Orton came back with a European uppercut and took Show down to one knee early on. Slap to the chest by Show and Orton went outside. Orton created some separation to allow him back in, but he walked into a sidewalk slam. Show set up for the punch, but Orton rolled to ringside. Match went to break 1:11 in.

[Commercial Break]

Back live at 4:24 of the match. Orton had a sleeper locked in and Show was doing anything he could to break it. Cole glowed about Bryan’s smile, which he did when Orton had Show in the sleeper. The match reset after Orton hit Show with a dropkick, leaving both men down on the mat. Show kicked out of a pin attempt and Orton went back to ringside. Show sent Orton head-first into the announce table the put Orton into the ring. He turned his attention to Bryan, who pointed to the ring. Show got on the apron and dropkicked Show. He held on and a boot to the side of the head had Show leaning over the top rope. Orton did his “extra vintage” DDT over the top rope. He set up for the RKO…Show fell but Orton didn’t follow through, expecting Show to break out it seemed. Show got to his feet, shoved Orton into the ropes and Orton hit another RKO. Bryan ran in and hit Orton with the belt of the disqualification.

Winner: Orton, via DQ, at 7:45. Fine match until the botch at the end.

Show was laid out by a Bryan belt shot as well. Bryan held the title in the air as his music played. They replayed the second RKO and Bryan’s involvement.

-Shawn Michaels is next.

[Commercial Break]

-Lawler thanked Nickelback for “This Means War,” the official Elimination Chamber theme.

-The skyline of San Diego was shown as Cole talked about the Triple H vs. Undertaker situation.

-Shawn Michaels’ music hit and he came out. He did his kneeling prayer, got pyro and everything. The crowd chanted “HBK” then Michaels admitted that he hasn’t done this in a while, so he’s nervous. He said someone on Twitter earlier today asked him why he always comes around this time of year. He said it’s Wrestlemania and you can’t have Wrestlemania season without Mr. Wrestlemania. Shawn said even though he lives in the middle of nowhere, he still gets TV, and like everyone else, he was waiting for Triple H to utter these words: “I accept the challenge of the Undertaker.” HBK said he was shocked when he didn’t hear it. HBK said he called Ace and asked to come on to talk to his best friend. Michaels then said as he thought about it, he realized Hunter, the Cerebral Assassin, is just playing the Undertaker. He said he wanted to bring Hunter out so he could admit to everyone that he’s going to end Taker’s Wrestlemania streak. He told him to come out and tell the fans what they want to hear. Hunter’s music hit and he walked out in a suit.

Hunter and HBK embraced in the ring and Triple H said he speaks for the world when he says it’s great to see Shawn. Trips said he knows it’s hard to tear HBK away from hunting wabbits with Elmer Fudd, but it would be nice to see HBK a whole lot more than just at Wrestlemania time. Michaels sorta deflected that comment and said he wanted to be there live to hear Hunter accept Taker’s challenge at ‘Mania. Hunter said he wishes Shawn would’ve called him if that’s all he wanted to hear…because he’s not facing Taker at ‘Mania. Hunter said he thought he made it clear last week. Hunter said he knows what he has to do to beat Taker: He has to end him, and he’s not willing to do that. He’s not that guy anymore. Shawn said that’s exactly who he is. Micahels, whose voice sounded hoarse, asked Hunter if he “married that chick and became one of them?” He asked Hunter if he was a sellout.

Hunter said it’s not being a sellout, it’s called investing in the future. He stopped short, saying he wasn’t going to have this argument because Shawn doesn’t understand. Michaels admitted he was a simple guy and couldn’t understand Hunter’s business life. But he does understand when a man challenges you and you back down, it makes you a coward. Crowd liked that line. Hunter tried to walk away but Shawn twirled him around, saying he’s not finished. Michaels said no matter what suit you wear, at the end of the day, a coward is still a coward. Triple H stared at HBK then left the ring. Well, he started to, then came back in. Hunter got in HBK’s face saying Shawn doesn’t understand what’s going on. He has real-life responsibilities while Shawn just sits on his ranch with his family. He said “all of this, all of it is going to be mine.” He said that weighs a ton on him already. Hunter said he used to look at Taker like an opponent, but now he sees him as a brand, and he can’t let that brand end because it would be bad for business.

Hunter said he and Shawn are the end of an era, a different breed that doesn’t exist anymore. He said he’s not going to do it to feed his ego, or feed Shawn’s ego so Shawn can live vicariously through him, trying to get Hunter to do things that he couldn’t get done. Trips tried to walk away again but again HBK twirled him around. “That’s an awesome speech, and I’m sure it works on a lot of people,” replied HBK. Shawn said he’s at peace and Hunter has no peace. He asked Trips to look him in the eye and tell him he doesn’t want to end the streak. Hunter was walking in circles and HBK demanded Hunter look him in the eye and tell him “no.” Hunter took off the jacket and got in Shawn’s face. “No,” said Hunter. The two men sized each other up, then HBK walked out, bumping Hunter in the shoulder as he left. HBK stopped on the stage to look back at Hunter, then headed to the back. Triple H was about to leave the ring when the gong sounded and the lights went out.

Another video package of Taker watching clips on his big screen. “This is not over,” said Taker. “I will get what I want,” said Taker, as he cut his hair in the video package. Taker asked for immortality. Back to Hunter, who took his tie off and loosened his dress shirt as they went to break. Wow. Fantastic performance from both men.

[Commercial Break]

-They showed Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers, with his kids, in the crowd.

-Tonight, CM Punk vs. The Miz.

-Also later, Kane calls out John Cena.

(3) Dolph Ziggler vs. R-Truth
Ziggler was already in the ring. Fireman’s carry take-over by Ziggler for a one-count at the outset. Back heel kick by Truth, but he ended up running shoulder first into the ring post. High dropkick by Ziggler, followed by a kip up, strut…then a rear chinlock. Ziggler did sit-ups a little too close to Truth, who small packaged Ziggler for the three-count.

Winner: Truth, at 2:28. Not a lot to comment on, really. Maybe the surprise win will stunt Ziggler’s showing off.

-Santino barged into Cena’s locker room, where Ryder was holed up. Marella said Ryder had bad breath then gave him one of his own breath mints. Ryder thought it was terrible but Santino said it was garlic-smelling, or, “love potion.”

[Commercial Break]

-Beth Phoenix joined the announcers at the commentary table. Beth will defend her Divas Title against Tamina on Sunday.

(4) Tamina Snuka vs. Brie Bella
Both ladies were already in the ring. Double chop by Tamina, who Cole is now calling “Tamina Snuka.” Brie brought Tamina throat-first across the top rope, then kicked away at Tamina. Jaw-breaker created some separation, then Nikki got on the apron and was headbutted for her troubles. Back to Brie, who fell victim to a Samoan Drop. Tamina to the top for a Superfly Splash and the win.

Winner: Tamina, at 1:27. Justin Roberts introduced her by her surname too, so I guess that’s what they’re going with. Worked for Sim, right?

Beth and Tamina stared each other down after the match.

-Josh Mathews and John Cena were talking backstage. We couldn’t hear what they were saying, but we’ll hear from Cena next.

[Commercial Break]

-Cole plugged WWE Magazine for a “Boots To Asses” poster.

-They showed clips of The Rock making the rounds in Hollywood, promoting his new movie as well as Wrestlemania.

-Cole tried to do Rock’s pec pops, and Lawler talked up the Rock’s movie.

-They sent it backstage to Mathews, who asked Cena for a response to the Rock. Before he could answer, a woman’s screaming could be heard. Cena ran off and the camera found Eve climbing into the ambulance, with Kane shutting the door. Cena subdued Kane then told Eve to unlock the door. Before she could, Kane knocked Cena to the ground and entered the driver’s side of the ambulance. Eve leapt out of the back and into Cena’s arms before Kane could drive away. Eve proceeded to make out with Cena. “What was that?” Cena asked. They turned to the side, only to see Ryder nearby, flowers still in his lap. Who let him out of the locker room?

[Commercial Break]

-Ryder wheeled himself away as Eve tried to explain. She called it a “heat of the moment” thing. And the day before Valentine’s Day! Eve assured Ryder that she cared about him. She said she never thought they’d be together but she does want to be friends. Crowd let out an “ohhhh” at that line. Ryder wheeled away, uttering nary a word.

(5) The Miz vs. CM Punk
“Poor Zack” is trending worldwide on Twitter. Punk booted Miz in the face, putting him down for a near-fall early on. Side Russian leg-sweep, only a one-count from Miz. MIz worked the arm and tried a neck-breaker by Punk kicked him straight in the back of the head. Punk shook of the arm/hand that Miz was working over. Miz smelled blood and went after the left arm of Punk. He wasted too much time though and Punk fired back with a series of moves. Running knee in the corner, then a bulldog. He called for the Go To Sleep, but Miz fought out. Low DDT for a two-count at 3:15. Corner clothesline from Miz. He missed a move off the top and Punk went to the top rope. Miz cut him off, but Punk gave him a throat chop and sent him back to the mat. Savage elbowdrop by Punk and NOW he says it’s over. Both men’s finishers were countered, but Punk locked in the Anaconda Vice for the submission win.

Winner: Punk, via submission, at 5:00.

Chris Jericho was shown watching the monitor backstage, smiling, as Punk celebrated.

-Backstage, Kane backed the ambulance back into the arena. “Oh no” said King as they went to break.

[Commercial Break]

-John Cena’s music hit and he walked out. Lawler said he looked a little embarrassed. Cole said it’s been almost a decade since we’ve seen an Ambulance Match, which we’ll see on Sunday. Cena acknowledged the awkward moment and said he tried to apologize to Ryder, but he wouldn’t listen. Cena apologized again, and publicly this time. He said this was Kane’s plan all along, to turn his friends and the WWE Universe against him. How did Kane make Eve kiss Cena? Cena said Kane leaves him with no other choice but to embrace the hate. Cena said people think if he gets to a breaking point he’ll snap. “We all hate you” chant from the fans. Aw, that hurts man. Cena said “it’s been like six years. People like that can’t understand that I’m comfortable in my own skin.” He said he’s proud to do what he does, to rise above hate. He said people may think he’s soft and told them to continue to think he needs to hate. “Fruity Pebbles” chant. So Kane came back before the break, and instead of protecting Ryder and Eve, Cena decides to cut a promo?

Cena promised to win on Sunday and put Kane in an Ambulance. He turned his attention to his “good friend, Dwayne.” He was about to give Rock a message for Wrestlemania until Ryder wheeled himself out onto the stage. He used his crutches to get to his feet and began to come to the ring. Ryder slowly made his way to the ring, then to the apron, then into the ring. Ryder was almost in tears, walking on his own to the middle of the ring. He knocked the mic out of Cena’s hand and grimaced due to the pain. Cena tried to explain himself, but Ryder slapped him. Cena de-shirted and got in Ryder’s face. “You have everything, why would you take her?” Ryder screamed at Cena. Ryder got in Cena’s face and tried to punch him, but Cena blocked it. Cena went to punch Ryder, but Ryder shoved Cena away, falling to the ground in the process. Cena immediately regretted the decision as Ryder slinked out of the ring. He grabbed his crutches and started heading for the back.

As he did, Kane came on the Titantron. He said Cena is in denial – he can talk all he wants, but Cena stole the only love of his one true friend. Kane said Cena finally embraced the hate, but he feeds off it. Kane said at the Chamber, it’ll be the last time Cena will compete before ‘Mania. He said Cena’s body and soul will leave WWE in an ambulance. Kane asked for a round of applause for Cena. Only a few took him up on that offer. Cena asked for a mic as Ryder settled into the wheelchair on the top of the stage. Kane showed up on the stage, took the wheelchair, and pushed it off the stage. Cena gathered the trainer from ringside and they both ran to check on Ryder. A stretch showed up and doctors and refs tended to him. Eve came out as well and the fans booed her. They replayed Kane pushing Ryder off the stage. An audible “Cena, Cena” chant was actually heard. The announcers laid out as another replay was shown and Ryder was strapped into the gurney. They wheeled him out as the show faded out. I guess Kane helped me answer the question I had at the beginning of the show about what Cena would have to do to embrace the hate!


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"I'm not 'that guy' anymore" - Corporation H.

That one line essentially validates what I've been saying about the direction of the Triple H character for almost ten months now. And who better than Michaels to draw it out? Fantastic segment.

Daniel Bryan stroking the beard like a diabolical mastermind is totally awesome, and totally in character.

The Cena/Ryder/Eve thing was....interesting. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryder & Eve have a role during their match at EC.
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Congratulations to HBK for channeling Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer!
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Someone needs to tell Cena it's broskis over hoskis. Maybe I've lost my freaking mind but this Cena-Kane feud has become so bad it's now good. Yo have Eve's Oscar worthy acting, Cena's facial reactions and Ryder's cartoonish acting all in one and you've got greatness. The only way this feud gets better if Eve gets romantically involved with Kane and he gets her pregnant only for Snitsky to make his big return and cause Eve to have a miscarriage It's too bad Kevin Sullivan's ''fatha'' King Curtis passed away because he'd be an awesome addition to this feud. I'm hoping Kane starts up his own Dungeon of Doom with all of Ed Leslie's gimmicks included.I'm loking forward to them getting i monster trucks and adding even more to this feud. Anyway I hope this feud never ends. If Kane hooks a car battery up to Cena's nads I'll never question WWE again.



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Yeah. Starting to think Triple H vs. Undertaker will have a significantly better build than Rock vs. Cena. Hunter, Taker, and Michaels' combined wrestling IQ is a lot higher than Rock, Cena, and WWE Creative's.

Ryder vs. Eve could be pretty huge for Mania, at least. If Ryder doesn't get run over by a tank between now and March.

UNDERTAKER HAS SHORN HIS LOCKS FOR REBIRTH AND VENGEANCE. Incredible segment but he's gonna look so weird.

Daniel Bryan getting so much upper hand before the Chamber is a bad sign for him keeping the belt, hopefully he doesn't stand tall on Smackdown.

Whatever happened to "The Funkasaurus" Brodus Clay

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MAN that HHH/HBK segment went on FOREVER.

Sadly, the director missed the shot of concerned Eve standing over Zack Ryder...*and looking back wistfully at Cena.* Whoever was standing between Eve and the camera at the wrong time will surely be fired, but hopefully they have another angle they can use for the RAW Rebound (with music!)

If Russo were booking this, we'd find out later that Kane and Eve have been secretly together for at least a year and all this was part of a devious uberplan. Hey, not too late to bring him in and start retcon-ing!

But fantasy booking sucks. Even mine. But especially yours.



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That HHH/HBK segment would have been really interesting had HBK totally lost his voice. I'm not sure what Undertaker saw to make him cut off his 'hair' though.

Could they have given Cena less momentum going into the biggest match of his career?

That spill Ryder took almost look like a double ACL buster.

Eve's top almost saved the last segment.
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Ive been told that mrs. Cena has been discussed on the show, so iaddition to be addition to being a bad broski, he's cheating on his wife.

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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Yeah. Starting to think Triple H vs. Undertaker will have a significantly better build than Rock vs. Cena. Hunter, Taker, and Michaels' combined wrestling IQ is a lot higher than Rock, Cena, and WWE Creative's.


Maybe I'm just out of touch and don't "Get it?™" anymore, but I don't understand the positioning of this feud.

It's not that I'm a HHHater--I want to say that upfront--it's just that this makes the Undertaker look really, really pathetic and weak (or is that the whole point?). "I'm not 'that guy' anymore." What does that mean? You're not the guy who's lost to the Undertaker twice at WrestleMania? Are you doing the Undertaker a favor by not taking his streak away from him? Is Taker really that shallow (in terms of the strength of his character)? I guess I don't understand how the guy who lost has become, even a year later, even more dominant in stature and personality than the guy who won.

Where does it even go? HHH can't end the streak, because you might as well just close up shop and call it a wrestling business. Does HHH retire, or lose and still retire the Undertaker?

Admittedly, I'm dense. Maybe it's just odd to hear Hunter Hearst Helmsley--Connecticut blue blood, hog pen match specialist--say that it's "all mine." Really, his character (as it's been since he became a main eventer), has never received his true comeuppance--but I could be wrong on that.



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    Originally posted by Whattaburger
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Yeah. Starting to think Triple H vs. Undertaker will have a significantly better build than Rock vs. Cena. Hunter, Taker, and Michaels' combined wrestling IQ is a lot higher than Rock, Cena, and WWE Creative's.


    Maybe I'm just out of touch and don't "Get it?™" anymore, but I don't understand the positioning of this feud.

    It's not that I'm a HHHater--I want to say that upfront--it's just that this makes the Undertaker look really, really pathetic and weak (or is that the whole point?). "I'm not 'that guy' anymore." What does that mean? You're not the guy who's lost to the Undertaker twice at WrestleMania? Are you doing the Undertaker a favor by not taking his streak away from him? Is Taker really that shallow (in terms of the strength of his character)? I guess I don't understand how the guy who lost has become, even a year later, even more dominant in stature and personality than the guy who won.

    Where does it even go? HHH can't end the streak, because you might as well just close up shop and call it a wrestling business. Does HHH retire, or lose and still retire the Undertaker?

    Admittedly, I'm dense. Maybe it's just odd to hear Hunter Hearst Helmsley--Connecticut blue blood, hog pen match specialist--say that it's "all mine." Really, his character (as it's been since he became a main eventer), has never received his true comeuppance--but I could be wrong on that.


He's saying he's not The Killer anymore. He's said before that he learned last year what he must do to end The Undertaker, and he's not willing to do that.

It's too bad that Ric Flair is with That Other Company, because that would have been the perfect time to segue into "No one has seen Ric Flair in the ring ever since you retired him, Shawn. You think these fans wouldn't mind seeing Slick Ric again? But no, you had to stoke your ego. I have to put my ego aside for the benefit of the company. And the company is better with The Undertaker in it."

Really, this is the ultimate egotistical claim. "I couldn't POSSIBLY fight UT at Wrestlemania, because I'd crush him and fans would never be able to see him again." Someone needs to call him on that.
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    If Russo were booking this, we'd find out later that Kane and Eve have been secretly together for at least a year and all this was part of a devious uberplan. Hey, not too late to bring him in and start retcon-ing!


Seeing Eve actually get herself into the ambulance and kiss Cena afterwards has me convinced that she's either in league with Kane or she's a really, REALLY terrible actress. Or both! Could always be both!

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Ryder vs. Eve could be pretty huge for Mania, at least. If Ryder doesn't get run over by a tank between now and March.


I have Ryder getting run over by the ambulance, personally. I would hope that the payoff to all this stupidity is Ryder winning the Wrestlemania MitB match, but it's going to take a huge suspension of disbelief to buy that he'll even be ready to compete by then.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Whatever happened to "The Funkasaurus" Brodus Clay

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that the writers wrote a one-joke character and suddenly realized that they don't have a punchline for him. Would anyone be shocked if it turns out that the writers didn't think beyond "And then Brodus dances and squashes a bunch of jobbers and then...???...and then MONEY!"

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#12 Posted on
I am sensing a Ryder/Cena feud after Mania, and if that's the case, it makes Ryder's last month completely worth it.

HBK, he comes back once a year, drops an absolute killer promo like it's nothing. The exchange between him and Trips had me wishing they could face off at Mania. If not that, a Triple threat with Taker added in the mix would be great. They even tagged that match, "End of an Era".

Finally, if the "Fire Cole, We Want Tony Schiavone" sign isn't message enough, I don't know what is. I only noticed the sign during the opening segment, which makes me think the sign police came and snagged it really quick.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.64
I'm pretty sure WWE turned Eve heel tonight, but I'm not sure if they know they turned Eve heel based on the closing angle.

I'm fairly sure Cena should probably have a lot better things to do than be in a love triangle with Eve and Zack by next Monday, but I'm not sure they can find their way out of that in the bad sit-com reality they currently exist.

Mostly I wish WWE was as committed to anything else as they are this Kane/Cena storyline. They are doubling and tripling down on this like nothing else.



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#14 Posted on
Where was The Funkasaurus? Is he in grieving due to one of the funkiest men on Earth Don Cornielius dying a week back?

Cena almost punching a crippled man, and Kane pushing said crippled man off of the stage in his wheelchair can't be compared to how Eve represented herself tonight. Being told "I couldn't see ourselves being together so Let's just be friends". Seriously bro FRIENDZONED!

Eve went heel in ten seconds flat because of that. Being put in the dreaded "Friend Zone" is something 98% of the male WWE Universe deals with regularly.

I want some Spider Stew.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.43
    Originally posted by Whattaburger
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Yeah. Starting to think Triple H vs. Undertaker will have a significantly better build than Rock vs. Cena. Hunter, Taker, and Michaels' combined wrestling IQ is a lot higher than Rock, Cena, and WWE Creative's.


    Maybe I'm just out of touch and don't "Get it?™" anymore, but I don't understand the positioning of this feud.

    It's not that I'm a HHHater--I want to say that upfront--it's just that this makes the Undertaker look really, really pathetic and weak (or is that the whole point?). "I'm not 'that guy' anymore." What does that mean? You're not the guy who's lost to the Undertaker twice at WrestleMania? Are you doing the Undertaker a favor by not taking his streak away from him? Is Taker really that shallow (in terms of the strength of his character)? I guess I don't understand how the guy who lost has become, even a year later, even more dominant in stature and personality than the guy who won.

    Where does it even go? HHH can't end the streak, because you might as well just close up shop and call it a wrestling business. Does HHH retire, or lose and still retire the Undertaker?

    Admittedly, I'm dense. Maybe it's just odd to hear Hunter Hearst Helmsley--Connecticut blue blood, hog pen match specialist--say that it's "all mine." Really, his character (as it's been since he became a main eventer), has never received his true comeuppance--but I could be wrong on that.


This is the culmination of the entire Triple H character at this point. We was first established as the Connecticut Blueblood (Snobby H), but that eventually was cast aside during the attitude era. DX was formed, and we started seeing Triple H rebel (Rebel H). The transition does make sense when you think about it; a lot of rich kids rebel against where they came from, and in a sense you could say the same happened. Snppy H rejected his "background", and began his period as Rebel H. But you can't rebel with a name like Hunter Hearst Helmsly, so the man starts going by Triple H, catchy and easy to remember (and chant if you're a face).

DX comes and goes, and eventually Triple H does his own thing. We see him become incredibly cutthroat. The moniker "the Cerebral Assassin" is first coined, and we start seeing this played up in his matches and angles. We see him, as Shawn said, "step on people's throats". He nukes careers, he does whatever he can to get and stay on top. This is the Triple H we know and love/hate, Cerebral H. This is almost like some punk kid (Rebel H) who decides to escalate, almost like DX was a gang, and now he wants to climb the gang ladder. He reaches the point where he's main evented everything, he's won a bunch of titles, he even competed with and against his heroes and best friends. Until he remembers that one moment, that one PPV; Wrestlemania. The Streak. He lost to the Undertaker.

The challenge gets made, it gets accepted. And the story unfolds where Triple H's best friend, who sacrificed his career to try and end The Streak failed twice. Triple H tries, and fails.

He still hasn't done it all. He lays out the challenge, and starts waiting.

And while waiting we never see the Undertaker. While waiting, Triple H starts "taking over" business aspects. Why? Maybe because the Corporate World is *just* as cut throat as he is. Or maybe....just maybe.....everything he has worked hard to build, to accumulate, he doesn't want to lose. Or all of the above. Either way, Cerebral H tries makes way for Corporation H. But the transition is not very smooth, which we'll see why below.

All while seeing the Undertaker is nowhere to be found. It reaches the point where Vince begins to descend into his whole "cartoon villain" schemes, and the kibosh is put on. Triple H seizes control, becomes the COO and RAW GM. The problem?

He cant turn off the Cerebral Assassin. He just can't. We see that in his promos, he still cuts people down. We see that in the ring, he wants to assault people. He doesn't get the nuances yet.

All along on this board I said I LOVED the idea of a GM trying to do the right thing, but is in over his head. Triple H COULDN'T respond the way Vince did, and he couldn't handle things as Cerebral H. But he hasn't figured out how to bring out Corporation H. The Board of Directors call him on it, and he has to leave. During this time, he sees things more clearly, because he's been humbled. For the first time since Snobby H and the Streak, he faced a failure he couldn't meet.

And as we know, Triple H doesn't respond well to failing. A third failure is not an option.

And he still doesn't see the Undertaker. And during this time, he understands.

He *has* done it done it all, because he VANQUISHED the Undertaker. The Streak is all encompassing, but the mystique has been broken. And that mystique is what makes the Undertaker. For it to be broken any further the Undertaker would be worthless to the company, the company that Triple H is trying to protect, the legacy of his he wants to keep. All the work he did, needs to stay. The mystique must stay. And that's how we come to tonight; the full blown Corporation H in all of his glory.

"I'm not 'that guy' anymore".

No he isn't.

So what needs to happen? A few things. A catalyst needs to happen, what that catalyst is remains to be seen.

As for the motivation for the Undertaker? Much simpler; the mystique must come back for him to be meaningful. And to snuff out Triple H, that is quite meaningful.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.71
Eve hopping into the ambulance, settling in comfortably, & then taking forever to get out was just all too ludicrous. And then, eventually, having driven off without her, Kane dramatically backs the ambulance back down the tunnel? I desperately hope that they were trying to provide the subtext that Eve is in on it, 'cause otherwise, the presentation was just about the worst I can recall ever seeing.

And, how does Eve slapping a bad, sloppy kiss all over Cena help him embrace the hate? Naive little Ryder maybe has a reason to get hateful, but Cena?
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
    Originally posted by emma
    And, how does Eve slapping a bad, sloppy kiss all over Cena help him embrace the hate? Naive little Ryder maybe has a reason to get hateful, but Cena?


The thing is, the way I saw it Cena didn't look all that surprised/shocked/chagrined when Eve laid a big wet one on him.. in fact Cena looked to be giving as well as he got. (Tough spot, in that if he recoiled from her advance, that would look somewhat... unmanly of him.)

But what if it turns out that it didn't look like the first time they kissed tonight because.. it wasn't the first time they kissed? Whether Kane put her up to it or not, Cena turning out to have a relationship with Eve all along makes the betrayal of Ryder a healthy magnitude more severe, if they wanted to go that way with the Cena character.

(I don't see what this does for Rock-Cena, but looking at a potential Cena-Ryder feud - absent Cena turning, Zach doesn't have much of a reason for people to get behind him, other than whining about Cena getting him killed repeatedly, and ruining his chances with Eve. Which is lousy motivation unless Ryder is the one to turn heel.)

Also - regardless of how well they gimmicked the floor, that was a hell of a bump Zach took at the end, he made it look like death.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
El Nastio, fantastic post on Triple H's character. As much as I wasn't into the idea of yet another Undertaker/HHH match at Wrestlemania, they're presenting this angle is a very interesting way. It's stunning that Undertaker's hair loss is actually being written into the story...man, that's going to be a weird visual.


    Really, this is the ultimate egotistical claim. "I couldn't POSSIBLY fight UT at Wrestlemania, because I'd crush him and fans would never be able to see him again." Someone needs to call him on that.


No kidding. I thought Michaels would be the only character HHH would let call him on this, and I guess it could still happen a few weeks down the road. But yeah, we still have to hit....

* "Hey Hunter, remember, for as much as you beat up Taker last year, you STILL TAPPED OUT"
* "Hey Hunter, I put my career on the line for another shot at the Streak and now when another shot has been offered to you, you're backing down?! WTF?"
* "Hey Hunter, you had Undertaker seemingly beaten five times last year but you kept thinking about it, wasting time and telling him to stay down. Nice instinct, 'killer.' "

The way this story is playing out now, the only possible ending is a classic Taker zombie situp at Mania and him just beating the hell out of HHH to get a decisive victory.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.06
Are they building toward Cena/Ryder at some point? I could dig that.

I really miss Funkasaurus...I love that character.

Great episode. I feel for Ryder. We've all been there.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
Actually developing Ryder as a character has suddenly made this stuff more interesting. It was pretty terribly executed because Eve is just the drizzling shits as an actress, but still. WWE can't possibly be clueless enough to think that people will somehow side with Cena in the Cena-Ryder equation, can they? Cena is Zack Morris, Ryder is Screech, and everyone loves Screech. Until Saved By The Bell: The New Class ruined him, but that's a whole other story.

They need to drop this shit and turn it into Ryder/Kane as soon as that ambulance drives away on Sunday, because if this gets kept around for the final six weeks before Cena/Rock the fans are gonna turn on it even harder than they already are.
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