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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.71
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Punk's pic is my new facebook profile. It really feels like a fresh breath of air in the company. Now, if they only would get more talented tag teams and female wrestlers. I am more shocked they didn't try to weasel the belt out of Bryan or have him eat the pin.


I have a better Facebook profile photo for you. It's circulating through facebook like wildfire, ok... well its been shared on the upper side of 50 times.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2684514224632&set=p.2684514224632&type=1&theater

As for RAW, I'm interested enough right now. Nothing to be overly critical about or have I been watching this company for just a little to long. I think it's that... I'll have to be whinny later. Right now it actually seems pretty enjoyable to watch with the current champions.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.50
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
    Originally posted by geemoney
    Cena said there’s a monster who’s on the loose, one who gets edgy around the holidays or when going to the dentist.

Not only is that a refernce to Isaac Yankem, DDS, but also to the Christmas Creature, which I believe was a gimmick he used in Memphis. All he missed was bringing up Fake Diesel.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    -Still thinking Kane could be a face in all this. Cena called him out, he came out and went after Henry. But he didn't touch Cena until he attacked him.


Maybe, but doubtful. He didn't go after Henry -- he walked to Henry, then did a dramatic turn to stare down Cena. It was the classic swerve-stare. And then he started into the ring, ostensibly to attack Cena. Given last week's actions -- when he, you know, attacked Cena -- that's a logical assumption.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      Originally posted by geemoney
      Cena said there’s a monster who’s on the loose, one who gets edgy around the holidays or when going to the dentist.

    Not only is that a refernce to Isaac Yankem, DDS, but also to the Christmas Creature, which I believe was a gimmick he used in Memphis. All he missed was bringing up Fake Diesel.
I caught that too. I almost hit rewind to see if I missed the Fake Diesel reference but I guess I didnt have to.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
A moment, please...

    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    Still, just the sight of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan (and Ryder I guess) standing in a WWE ring as champions was enough to get me to the show, and they helped me feel like I wasn't entirely ripped off at paying to see mostly boring wrestling.


    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    It was a pretty fun, "feel good" show in person. I don't know how much Cole dragged it down on TV, but especially the Punk/Bryan/Ryder contingent standing victorious to open and close the show.


    Originally posted by It's False
    Well, this is a nice change of pace! A different cast of characters on the top. Credit the E for not only focusing on these guys, but also for biting the bullet and taking Cena out of the main event picture for a little while.


    Originally posted by lotjx
    The image of Ryder, Punk and Bryan standing tall during the opening and at the end pretty much made it better than 90% of the Raws of the last six years.


    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    This was like WrestleMania XX, but smaller and with Rob van Dam holding the US title and getting in on the hugging.


    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Big ups to WWE not just for the booking but of the execution of the US and World Championships right now...When was the last time people were so invested in the United States Title and who is the US Champion? During the Magnum TA/Nikita Koloff era? What a pop at TLC for the US Title change. Ryder played properly turns the US Title into "a people's championship", all due respect to #BootstoAsses. As for Bryan, I thought Show's promo really sold it...The WWE Champion, World Heavyweight Champion and United States Champion coming in through the crowd for the main event was a nice touch.


    Originally posted by lotjx
    Punk's pic is my new facebook profile. It really feels like a fresh breath of air in the company. Now, if they only would get more talented tag teams and female wrestlers. I am more shocked they didn't try to weasel the belt out of Bryan or have him eat the pin.


    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    -Daniel Bryan broke the 24 hour barrier!! Can he make it a week??


    Originally posted by El Nastio
    I posted something like this a few weeks ago, and I still believe 100% this is the case. They've built up this US title chase flawlessly...Any doubts about them squashing him shortly after the win were removed last night. They gave his title victory nearly equal billing and mentions as the other two titles, and they showed the post PPV interview with his dad...Jerry Lawler last night showed me that he still has the A-game when the situation requires it. A night with two new champs, new changes, and the man laid it all out there.

    Again, back to the King. Building up Bryan, explaining his logic. The King told it like it was...It's like a mini-faction with the three champs, and I love it. I love everything about the way the three titles were booked, how they're booking it.


    Originally posted by jwrestle
    I have a better Facebook profile photo for you. It's circulating through facebook like wildfire, ok... well its been shared on the upper side of 50 times.


    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    The main event could have been billed as The Internet Smark Wanks vs. The Guys Vince Likes.


...I just wanted to document some of these comments for posterity, especially that last quote, for the next time everyone complains WWE 1) Never listens to its fans/the live audience; 2) Cannot book itself out of a wet paper bag; and 3) Cannot book itself out of a wet paper bag without the presence of John Cena, Triple H, the Undertaker, Hoss of the Month, or some other person Vince "defaults" to when he's "panicking" because he's "out of touch."

Say whatever about Cena, HHH, or the Undertaker and how they clog the top spots, bend Vince's ear, or can't produce in the ring, but here:

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Speaking of the new blood, Punk posted this image (img.photobucket.com) on his Twitter, and It. Is. Awesome...I like Show's tension. Makes me very curious for SmackDown...The Three AmiBros made for a fun angle-less main event, and that's just fine and dandy, sayeth Brock Lesnar.


...are the new faces of the company (for however long) and the current leaders of the locker room, especially Punk--the WWE Champion. And I think we all know (or assume) enough about the hegemonic dynamics of WWE to know the influence those spots exert system-wide: on Vince, other talent, and the creative process--even if Beth had to eat a squash last night.

These are the guys (and gal) receiving bonuses to their checks every pay period for being champions (if that still exists).

These are the wrestlers who the company hopes will make both casual and regular fans/viewers tune in each week and buy merchandise (for however long).

And these are the people no one will blame if the company still can't turn the corner, ratings-wise.

I won't pretend to know the make-up of the WWE's audience anymore. I don't know if that old smark ratio has gone up from 1 percent in the last 5 years or not, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that a lot of people complain about how WWE operates, without having any real knowledge of how it all gets produced aside from whatever Dave Meltzer reveals (myself included). But here you have WWE giving its audience what they asked for--as they usually do, in my opinion--and nary a John Cena or HHH or Kevin Nash in sight to spoil it. The fans wanted wrestlers, not immobile hosses, and now they have them leading Vince's charge. Let me clarify that further: CM Punk and Daniel Bryan--two of the biggest internet darlings of the last decade (who also happen to be sub-235 pounds)--are Vince McMahon's champions. Vince McMahon's. Champions.

Despite what we all might think, we all have watched and heard long enough to know how important those spots are and how Vince expects the people in them to stand-up not only to others in the locker room, but to him, the creative team and ultimately, for themselves. This is why Hogan and Savage could cut to the front of the line of wrestlers waiting to talk to Vince; this is why HBK even got a push and the Clique had power; and this is why, despite whatever end-game maneuverings, people like Roddy Piper, Bret Hart, and Jesse Ventura have Vince's begrudging respect at the end of the day.

I am very interested to see how this all plays out over the next few weeks and months. But at the risk of sounding pessimistic, I hope we're all able to put everything in perspective if, over time, these individuals fail to affect the product in the positive ways fans said they had the potential to.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    They don't do mystery videos for new guys. There's no point in that - it doesn't get them over if you don't know who it's about, and the crowd are just disappointed when it's not Jericho/Batista/Ultimate Warrior who walks out.


If Ultimate Warrior walks out, I'll mark out so bad you'll be able to hear me in the UK. Speaking of mysteries, does anyone know why Wade Barrett have an anchor motif?
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Barrett's anchor is apparently the symbol of the Polish resistance in World War 2. I remember the commentary talking about him adopting it as his symbol when he was starting out his Barrett Barrage. That said, I don't remember their explanation for why exactly he chose it.
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#29 Posted on
I think a lot of the pessimism is down to WWE spurning opportunities many times over the last few years. We can go back to Punk in July who looked like he was going to be the hottest new star in the company since Edge broke through in 2006. WWE fumbled the ball from August to early October with Punk's push, stalled Del Rio's fortunes with the unnecessary title loss to Cena and the pessimism grew again.

How often have we complained in the past of WWE's stop-start booking system, when wrestlers seem to be on the verge of a push, then it is forgotten about just as quickly? Alex Riley this summer for example might have made it, with a sustained push. He showed signs of getting over, then he disappeared from TV. This breeds frustration in the product and makes it difficult to invest emotionally in newcomers.

Since early November though, Ryder, Punk, Ziggler, Rhodes and Sheamus have been consistently positioned in important roles, and crucially had plenty of time for their matches. The wins and losses haven't mattered. The long, competitive matches we've been seeing as of late have helped everyone to advance up the card. WWE is doing the simple things right again - letting the talent get THEMSELVES over. Much credit to WWE for having the guts to give these guys the ball and even more credit to the talent involved for running with it - so far.

Kane's beatdown on Cena was wonderful, I thought. Here is a guy who's been there 14 years as that character, who just keeps getting reinvented time after time. Great old school beatdown. At first I thought Cena might have bitten one of those fake blood capsules?

The Air Boom vs Primo/Epico match at TLC was solid undercard action, and adding more tag teams, especially cruiserweight tag teams, can only be a good thing.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.97
I realized something last night. The only way this show could have been any better is if there had been NO John Cena. I hate that man being on my TV. He is staler than five-year old bread.

As a counterpoint, nearly everyone else on the roster right now is bringing the awesome every week. That is what is so frustrating about Cena.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.80
    Originally posted by superfurry
    The Air Boom vs Primo/Epico match at TLC was solid undercard action, and adding more tag teams, especially cruiserweight tag teams, can only be a good thing.


In my own perfect world, Motor City Machineguns would leave TNA and go over to WWE.

I wish this would happen so much.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.52
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      -Mind boggling how much they are burying Beth, who should be a Kong level dominant champ.


    Maybe they're saving the idea of Kong-level dominance for when Kharma eventually comes back.


Wouldn't the effect be even greater if they made Beth dominant now and had Kharma squash her as soon as she returned?
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by Whattaburger

    And these are the people no one will blame if the company still can't turn the corner, ratings-wise.



No one but Vince McMahon, who has shown over and over again if the ratings suck, it's the champions fault, not his. HOPEFULLY, this IWC championship cartel has some small part to do with HHH, cuz if they are to stay around despite tanking ratings, he could do it. Thankfully, MNF is almost done and we'll see how things go.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.76
    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    I just wanted to document some of these comments for posterity, especially that last quote, for the next time everyone complains WWE 1) Never listens to its fans/the live audience; 2) Cannot book itself out of a wet paper bag; and 3) Cannot book itself out of a wet paper bag without the presence of John Cena, Triple H, the Undertaker, Hoss of the Month, or some other person Vince "defaults" to when he's "panicking" because he's "out of touch."
I would love, love, love, love, love to think that WWE has turned a corner and things will be better from here on out. I am hopeful, and I am trying my damndest to not complain about the stupid things that I expect them to do until they actually do them. But they've done so much damage to their product and pissed away so much goodwill that I can't blame anyone for expecting the worst. Two good shows are a great start, but they're just a start.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.99
When Punk is Champ AND gets the ice cream bars brought back, then we will have turned a corner.

What's taking so long?
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26
    Originally posted by dwaters
    When Punk is Champ AND gets the ice cream bars brought back, then we will have turned a corner.

    What's taking so long?


Instead of actual ice cream bars, I'd prefer foam replica bars. The WWE, if they'd invest the coin, could sell light-up versions for the fans to wave.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by Whattaburger
      I just wanted to document some of these comments for posterity, especially that last quote, for the next time everyone complains WWE 1) Never listens to its fans/the live audience; 2) Cannot book itself out of a wet paper bag; and 3) Cannot book itself out of a wet paper bag without the presence of John Cena, Triple H, the Undertaker, Hoss of the Month, or some other person Vince "defaults" to when he's "panicking" because he's "out of touch."
    I would love, love, love, love, love to think that WWE has turned a corner and things will be better from here on out. I am hopeful, and I am trying my damndest to not complain about the stupid things that I expect them to do until they actually do them. But they've done so much damage to their product and pissed away so much goodwill that I can't blame anyone for expecting the worst. Two good shows are a great start, but they're just a start.
This is how I feel too. According to Bryan Alvarez tptb were discussing taking the title off of Punk at TLC due to the ratings being pretty bad since he won the title thankfully they didn't. Last weeks rancid show really turned people off and the fact that the rating dropped like a stone in the second hour last night is worrisome, but they gotta stick with Punk and see what he can do. The three months of bad booking him hurt him no question hopefully they continue to push him strong like they have over the last month and not panic about drawing ratings under a 3.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by dwaters
      When Punk is Champ AND gets the ice cream bars brought back, then we will have turned a corner.

      What's taking so long?


    Instead of actual ice cream bars, I'd prefer foam replica bars. The WWE, if they'd invest the coin, could sell light-up versions for the fans to wave.


Exactly! They already have foam fists for the Woo Woo Woo ... where are the foam ice cream bars??
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.77
Remember that week of TV they did after TLC before Christmas last year that was wrestling-centric feel-good shows? This was like that, only even happier.

I don't think Cena and Kane are going to have a match at the Rumble, Kane is just his opponent for TV and house shows through Wrestlemania. The same way Punk was last January. Then again, maybe since he "can't" win the Royal Rumble he'll just wrestle Kane rather than come up with some logic for him to be in it. ("I'll take my title shot in February again, remember that?")

Between the PPV and Raw I think Alicia is on ecstasy.

    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    -"Profitless" still thinking this has to be someone new and not Taker or Jericho.


I cannot help you anymore. Do you understand [the words that I am saying to you right now]?

Plus I bet Laurinaitis has been texting Jericho.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 20.12.11 2254)
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
Well, Jericho DID almost find out who the anonymous RAW general manager was. Plus, Laurianitis had this Twitter conversation during the Slammys:



Then again, wasn't it the F4W folks who wanted us to notice the name crossed off on the front of the notebook?





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