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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.17
show did a 3.2....highest in awhile. Can they follow it up? Some question


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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.62
    Originally posted by The Game
    And Morrison gets buried....again. It's a three-way race for Mahal, McIntyre, and Morrison to see who gets "future endeavored" next (right now I would say Mahal would be the first). Zeke is not too far behind the guys in terms of how little faith the WWE has with these people and the borrowed time that each one has.




Honestly, I don't see the big deal about Morrison - he's a spot monkey, sure, but he has the personality of a fly. Not that I want to see anyone fired but, honestly, what does Morrison and the others actually bring to the table?
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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.68
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    show did a 3.2....highest in awhile. Can they follow it up? Some question


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I doubt it... according to Meltzer the show dropped 20-30% in each demo as the show rolled on, eventually ending up with a loss of 800,000 viewers for the second hour and a 2.77 for the main event. I'm no expert, but to me that sounds like a lot of people tuned in to see what would happen and didn't like what they saw.



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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.51
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
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      Whoa... am I to understand that Jim Ross really didn't know he was going to get "fired" last night?


    This is apparently in the case. It wasn't even in the script, though obviously a few people knew.


That's kind of what I thought when I saw JR's "WTF ever, I'm out of here" reaction. He was probably lucky to get as far away from this show as possible anyways.

What was Ross's major foul against McMahon anyways? Leaking to the dirtsheets? Being over no matter what happens to him? Or is it that he just loves it so much he keeps coming back for more no matter what they do to him, so they do it anyways? Is he really known as that bad of a guy that he gets the Oklahoma parody character in WCW and then all of this from his own company? I was just glad they let him off easy this time.

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    Whatever longterm planning was in place went out the window when they pulled Nash from the match in September. Supposedly Punk and HHH weren't supposed to wrestle until Survivor Series after a tense buildup. Instead it's not November yet and they're already teaming. I feel comfortable in assuming that all plans would've rapidly gone to hell with or without Nash though.



The more I think about this show the more it boggles my mind. Was Triple H due back when he came back, or was he just striking when the iron was hot? It sure feels like he picked this moment, get in while the business is getting hot and piggyback that with The Rock's return. He is making an impact, not sure if it was the kind he planned on. Things seem to keep getting worse the more he becomes ingrained in the show. It feels like if he just stopped showing up, everyone else's story would improve by default.

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John Cena is always going to have his fans. Helmsley is going to get a Tri-ple-H chant no matter how many shows he bogs down, but Punk needs to be more protective of his character.

I hope there is a plan to have him turn on everyone that followed him, so he can settle back into his natural role of know it all I'm better than all of you dickhead. Otherwise he might end up getting tuned out, if that's not starting to happen already.



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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07

at least JR's suit didn't get splashed with BBQ sauce or he wasn't set on fire by Kane or made to wear a toga or bring out Fake Razor and Fake Diesel or visit Dr. Heinie or kiss Johnny Ace's ass.





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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40

    What was Ross's major foul against McMahon anyways? Leaking to the dirtsheets? Being over no matter what happens to him? Or is it that he just loves it so much he keeps coming back for more no matter what they do to him, so they do it anyways? Is he really known as that bad of a guy that he gets the Oklahoma parody character in WCW and then all of this from his own company? I was just glad they let him off easy this time.


JR is not known for being a sweetheart backstage (though, admittedly, this characterization has largely come from people he's fired), but I think moreso than that it's the fact that Vince just can't stand that his #1 announcer of all time is a middle-aged "country-looking" guy with a southern twang. As we've seen from the rest of WWE's announcers, Vince and Kevin Dunn prefer the twerpy, forgettably bland type that looks like they could host Sportscentre.

The trouble is, Ross is so unquestionably better at calling pro wrestling matches than Coachman, Cole, Grisham, Matthews, etc. that the fans simply won't accept any of these other guys in the job as long as Ross is physically capable of the job. So Vince has to begrudgingly keep bringing J.R. back and it probably drives him nuts, so he keeps putting Ross in these humiliating situations on TV just because he can.

At the end of the day, though, Ross is still getting paid, and...


    And as for showing up JR on Raw? It's real hard to embarrass someone who acts with total class. The more JR shrugs it off, the more he makes Vince look like a schmuck for doing it.


This. Plus the fact that virtually everyone else in the company besides Vince and Dunn would much prefer to have Ross calling the show, from the wrestlers who know Ross makes them look better to the writers who appreciate having someone in the booth that can get over storylines.



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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
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This show made me miss being able to watch Velocity and skip Raw.



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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
ok guys but hows about my new display pic?

I for one had really gotten to love Air Boom's entrance so I aint diggin this new theme.

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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.06
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
      Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
      show did a 3.2....highest in awhile. Can they follow it up? Some question


      FLEA


    I doubt it... according to Meltzer the show dropped 20-30% in each demo as the show rolled on, eventually ending up with a loss of 800,000 viewers for the second hour and a 2.77 for the main event. I'm no expert, but to me that sounds like a lot of people tuned in to see what would happen and didn't like what they saw.


The other way to look at it, is the Lions/Bears game got better. Raw had an increase of million viewers last week during HHH's Vote of No Confidence, so there is obvious interest. Next week has the Dolphins/Jets which could be another clunker of a game. If they post another 3.2, that is a good sign if its 3.0 or lower then they probably just shot themselves in the foot for the entire fall. Its still sad that a 3.2 is a good number for a show that used to do 3.5 up even during football season.



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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.60
    Originally posted by Big Bad

    JR is not known for being a sweetheart backstage (though, admittedly, this characterization has largely come from people he's fired), but I think moreso than that it's the fact that Vince just can't stand that his #1 announcer of all time is a middle-aged "country-looking" guy with a southern twang.


And, he came from WCW.'nuff said in Vince's eyes. Hell, JR got to come out to Boomer Sooner in OKC to a nice roar, AND, not get physically assaulted on his way out, while still making big money. Till next time, JR!
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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.27
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    Honestly, I don't see the big deal about Morrison - he's a spot monkey, sure, but he has the personality of a fly. Not that I want to see anyone fired but, honestly, what does Morrison and the others actually bring to the table?


Morrison had this run back in November-January where he was pushed near the top and having long awesome matches of some import with Sheamus and Miz where the crowd was really behind him that showed he could do well in a bigger role, especially at a time when they're not overflowing with perfect talent. I think the core audience likes him because he's been around for a while, he works really hard, and he does cool, unique stuff. Rob Van Dam couldn't really emote either, although they both seemed to struggle with the WWE scripting of how they thought a dude-like dude should speak. Plus he was hilarious on the Dirt Sheet.

He's had a lot of great matches with big WWE names, but I always thought this quick TV matches, ironically with Batista of all people, really showed his potential. He's a heel working with the jacked up Animal and he's really aggressive and sort of dominates the match.



His cool offense makes him a babyface, but I've wanted to see what he could do in a heel singles run being an arrogant man and taking big bumps for babyfaces like '95 Shawn Michaels. (Well, realistically he would just be another Dolph Ziggler, but hey, Dolph Ziggler is excellent.) They decided it would be more fun to kill his career this year, and purportedly his contract is expiring soon anyway.

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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Honestly, I don't see the big deal about Morrison - he's a spot monkey, sure, but he has the personality of a fly. Not that I want to see anyone fired but, honestly, what does Morrison and the others actually bring to the table?


    Morrison had this run back in November-January where he was pushed near the top and having long awesome matches of some import with Sheamus and Miz where the crowd was really behind him that showed he could do well in a bigger role, especially at a time when they're not overflowing with perfect talent. I think the core audience likes him because he's been around for a while, he works really hard, and he does cool, unique stuff. Rob Van Dam couldn't really emote either, although they both seemed to struggle with the WWE scripting of how they thought a dude-like dude should speak. Plus he was hilarious on the Dirt Sheet.

    He's had a lot of great matches with big WWE names, but I always thought this quick TV matches, ironically with Batista of all people, really showed his potential. He's a heel working with the jacked up Animal and he's really aggressive and sort of dominates the match.



    His cool offense makes him a babyface, but I've wanted to see what he could do in a heel singles run being an arrogant man and taking big bumps for babyfaces like '95 Shawn Michaels. (Well, realistically he would just be another Dolph Ziggler, but hey, Dolph Ziggler is excellent.) They decided it would be more fun to kill his career this year, and purportedly his contract is expiring soon anyway.

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 12.10.11 1512)


My initial reaction to this was, "They'd be fools to let him go. He's instant money for any other company that he wants to go to." Then I realized, the WWE truly is the only game in town. With all the resources TNA has already squandered, I don't think that John Morrison is going to be the guy that finally makes them a viable second choice. Honestly, John Cena could go to TNA tomorrow, and I don't really think it would change the landscape.
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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    My initial reaction to this was, "They'd be fools to let him go. He's instant money for any other company that he wants to go to." Then I realized, the WWE truly is the only game in town. With all the resources TNA has already squandered, I don't think that John Morrison is going to be the guy that finally makes them a viable second choice. Honestly, John Cena could go to TNA tomorrow, and I don't really think it would change the landscape.


But at least TNA would have a viable top card guy under the age of 40 to go with Roode and Anderson. I can't picture Morrison in TNA, either, but it's looking more inevitable by the day with the way he's treated on a daily basis.

The really sad thing is, Morrison still looked game after Melina's release. He still went out there and worked his ass off. But the more and more he's jobbed out and embarrassed, you can visibly see him stop caring. And it always sucks to see a guy with immense talent waste away like that. Justin's spot on with the RVD comparison.




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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.06
WWE's thinking is they can make anyone a star. They are probably right, but not all the time. If Jeff Hardy who was insanely over when he left for TNA didn't pop a rating not many people will. To me, WWE fans have become sports team fandom where if a player is sent away, they are dead to the fans. If they come back, they will be loved again, but if they go to another team, they are despised. Sometimes even when they leave of their own accord, the fans get pissy.

It also doesn't help the WWE seems to burn them on the way out. There is very little difference between what the Red Sox are doing with Francona and Theo Epstein compared to what the WWE does to a wrestler who leaves. There is some truth to the story, but its overblown to make the company look good.

If Cena left for TNA or even ROH instead of half the fans booing him, it would be all of them. If Taker left, people would say good riddance, he is too old. If Morrison left, people would blame his relationship with Melina and say he is not worth it. Everyone in the WWE right now has more than their far share of their detractors and the conspiracy guy in me wonders if this isn't the WWE plan. To have flawed superstars whose firing can be dismissed with the wave of the hand.



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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
I thought the show was good...until John Laryngitis came out. He makes Cody Rhodes' paper bags look charismatic.

Vince McMahon seems to get off, embarrassing JR. If JR quit and went to TNA, I'd probably start watching it. I'm sure he'd be treated better there.

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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.73
    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      My initial reaction to this was, "They'd be fools to let him go. He's instant money for any other company that he wants to go to." Then I realized, the WWE truly is the only game in town. With all the resources TNA has already squandered, I don't think that John Morrison is going to be the guy that finally makes them a viable second choice. Honestly, John Cena could go to TNA tomorrow, and I don't really think it would change the landscape.


    But at least TNA would have a viable top card guy under the age of 40 to go with Roode and Anderson. I can't picture Morrison in TNA, either, but it's looking more inevitable by the day with the way he's treated on a daily basis.

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I'd rather TNA not push Anderson as a top guy because he's frankly fucking terrible. I think they should have guys like Roode, Storm, Styles and Joe as the top guys. As far as Morrison I'm not a fan and I don't particularly care that he's buried and I hope that he stays in the WWE.



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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.99
In my opinion the time to push Joe has long gone by. The same goes for Christopher Daniels. You have to strike the iron while it is still hot, which in these two cases it isn't anymore. AJ Styles, I'm not sure about.
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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
I dunno. If even half the stuff about Morrison being Melina's stooge is true, he's done zero to help himself. I think saying "They decided to destory his career" is pretty reductive - there's been several points where they seemed ready to get behind him, only for something harpy-related to come along and land him an insta-burial.
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#79 Posted on
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    I dunno. If even half the stuff about Morrison being Melina's stooge is true, he's done zero to help himself. I think saying "They decided to destory his career" is pretty reductive - there's been several points where they seemed ready to get behind him, only for something harpy-related to come along and land him an insta-burial.


They sacked Melina, so why they can't be done with it and move on is beyond me. Should an employer really pass judgement on a worker because of his choice of women? It's unprofessional at best.




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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.09
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    In my opinion the time to push Joe has long gone by. The same goes for Christopher Daniels. You have to strike the iron while it is still hot, which in these two cases it isn't anymore. AJ Styles, I'm not sure about.


Daniels is over 40, so other than a token short title push, I agree. Joe still has plenty of upside, but not in TNA unless the company gets a total overhaul. Problem is I have zero faith in WWE using him properly either.
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