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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
I think people pronouncing time of death on Punk's career are being wildly hyperbolic.

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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    I think people pronouncing time of death on Punk's career are being wildly hyperbolic.




Nobody is saying his career is dead. But he had an opportunity to be something on that upper level of Hogan, Rock, and Austin. For a month I was getting the same feeling I got when Austin dropped the Ringemaster gimmick and started cussing everyone out. Now, he's becoming more of "just another guy" by the week.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      I think people pronouncing time of death on Punk's career are being wildly hyperbolic.




    Nobody is saying his career is dead. But he had an opportunity to be something on that upper level of Hogan, Rock, and Austin. For a month I was getting the same feeling I got when Austin dropped the Ringemaster gimmick and started cussing everyone out. Now, he's becoming more of "just another guy" by the week.


Yes and no. I mean, Punk is currently involved in the number one program in the company. Cena and Del Rio is a distant second to the Punk, Triple and Nash drama. On the other hand, Punk's "specialness" is becoming a memory of the now-ended Summer of Punk. Punk's pipe bombs aren't quite as explosive now as his first few promos. He's talking a lot more about "wanting" change than being written to cause, spark or inflict change. Unless he wins at NOC, Triple H quits as COO, and WWE calls that "change".



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
        Originally posted by Amos Cochran
        I think people pronouncing time of death on Punk's career are being wildly hyperbolic.




      Nobody is saying his career is dead. But he had an opportunity to be something on that upper level of Hogan, Rock, and Austin. For a month I was getting the same feeling I got when Austin dropped the Ringemaster gimmick and started cussing everyone out. Now, he's becoming more of "just another guy" by the week.


    Yes and no. I mean, Punk is currently involved in the number one program in the company. Cena and Del Rio is a distant second to the Punk, Triple and Nash drama. On the other hand, Punk's "specialness" is becoming a memory of the now-ended Summer of Punk. Punk's pipe bombs aren't quite as explosive now as his first few promos. He's talking a lot more about "wanting" change than being written to cause, spark or inflict change. Unless he wins at NOC, Triple H quits as COO, and WWE calls that "change".


Good points. Punk is still a top guy, he's just not "special" anymore. Which is fine for him. I wouldn't complain about the spot if I was in his shoes, but as a fan I don't think I'm alone in wanting that "next big thing" spark back.
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Nobody is saying his career is dead. But he had an opportunity to be something on that upper level of Hogan, Rock, and Austin. For a month I was getting the same feeling I got when Austin dropped the Ringemaster gimmick and started cussing everyone out. Now, he's becoming more of "just another guy" by the week.

Punk has been the best thing going in WWE for a long time, but I'm not sure where people got this idea that he was ever destined for the Hogan/Austin/Rock tier of wrestling ultrastardom. All those guys looked like comic book characters (all had abnormal muscularity), and had a kind of mind-blowing charisma that comes along once in a generation or so (sometimes twice). They also had a rogues gallery of perfect heel foils to work with. Punk looks like...a guy. Who works out, sure, but has average genetics, is like 5'9", isn't someone you'd be afraid to fight on sight, and who's "rap" is more wise-ass than bad-ass. I believe in one of the recent Observers, Meltz reported when Punk went to that Cubs game (or was it White Sox?) the guy who announced him said "And boy he looks small for a heavyweight". This is the kind of thing which, as silly and trivial as it seems, probably prevents someone from breaking through at that Steve/Hulk/Rocky level. If those three are Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man than Punk is more like Wolverine. And that's not a bad place to be. But kids don't dress up as Wolverine on Halloween like they do those other three.





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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      Nobody is saying his career is dead. But he had an opportunity to be something on that upper level of Hogan, Rock, and Austin. For a month I was getting the same feeling I got when Austin dropped the Ringemaster gimmick and started cussing everyone out. Now, he's becoming more of "just another guy" by the week.

    Punk has been the best thing going in WWE for a long time, but I'm not sure where people got this idea that he was ever destined for the Hogan/Austin/Rock tier of wrestling ultrastardom. All those guys looked like comic book characters (all had abnormal muscularity), and had a kind of mind-blowing charisma that comes along once in a generation or so (sometimes twice). They also had a rogues gallery of perfect heel foils to work with. Punk looks like...a guy. Who works out, sure, but has average genetics, is like 5'9", isn't someone you'd be afraid to fight on sight, and who's "rap" is more wise-ass than bad-ass. I believe in one of the recent Observers, Meltz reported when Punk went to that Cubs game (or was it White Sox?) the guy who announced him said "And boy he looks small for a heavyweight". This is the kind of thing which, as silly and trivial as it seems, probably prevents someone from breaking through at that Steve/Hulk/Rocky level. If those three are Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man than Punk is more like Wolverine. And that's not a bad place to be. But kids don't dress up as Wolverine on Halloween like they do those other three.




The Wolverine comparison is a good one. Wolverine is the "cool" hero to teenage boys, but Superman and Batman are the staples. However, Ric Flair never looked like a superhero, and I'd put him at that level. Also Savage had the muscle, but wasn't a big guy either.
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.07
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    But kids don't dress up as Wolverine on Halloween like they do those other three.


Where have you been the past 15-20 years? I know I've seen more Wolverine costumes than Superman. Marvel Comics even ranks Wolverine as their most prolific character of the last 20 years or so. Hell from about 1994 to today, he in about every fucking book published.

If anything, I'd say John Cena was Wolverine.



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    If anything, I'd say John Cena was Wolverine.


"John Cena makes the Wolverine comeback" doesn't have the same punch to it.

This analogy is this year's version of the Nexus/Transformers analogy.




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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.07
    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      If anything, I'd say John Cena was Wolverine.


    "John Cena makes the Wolverine comeback" doesn't have the same punch to it.

    This analogy is this year's version of the Nexus/Transformers analogy.


What 'comeback'? Cena always comes out on top, no matter what. Wolverine wins every fight he is in, no matter what. Wolverine always wins because he's the character all the little kids think of as 'being cool' and they want to be him. John Cena wins because he's the character all the little kids like and thinks he's cool and dress up like him in the orange shirts.

Wolverine is thrown into fifty billion books a month because kids love him and will have their parents buy the books because he's in them. John Cena is forced down out throats every week multiple times because the kids love him and he sells a fuck load of shirts and fuzzy wrist bands and hats.

You might remind me of how CM Punk beat him each time, but that's because CM Punk is Cyclops! Cyclops is the more realistic, level headed leader who people follow just because he's right. CM Punk is telling the truth about stuff so he has his followers as well. In a fair fight, Cyclops should beat Wolverine because he... STOP!

You know what, I don't want to get into this conversation.

I'm out.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Where have you been the past 15-20 years? I know I've seen more Wolverine costumes than Superman. Marvel Comics even ranks Wolverine as their most prolific character of the last 20 years or so. Hell from about 1994 to today, he in about every fucking book published.

    If anything, I'd say John Cena was Wolverine.


I don't know much about comic books, but I'd still say Superman is a massive cultural icon that can be identified almost anywhere on earth whereas Wolverine is just a popular comic book character. But insert whatever character you feel makes the analogy work.





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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I don't know much about comic books, but I'd still say Superman is a massive cultural icon that can be identified almost anywhere on earth whereas Wolverine is just a popular comic book character.


I would say more millions of people, people who've never read a comic book, know of Wolverine because of (September 19th RAW SuperShow guest host) Hugh Jackman and the X-Men movies at this point. So Wolverine is not just a popular comic book character.

Regardless, Cena is Superman because he's the unrelenting force for good in WWE who is safe for children of all ages. But he's also more Wolverine than Superman in the ring because Cena can be hurt and can be knocked down, but then his mutant healing factor kicks in and suddenly he's fine, Rocker Dropper from the Top Rope, Proto-Plex, You Can't See Me, AA, STF.

(edited by John Orquiola on 8.9.11 1935)

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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
Good news, everyone! (and I know this could go under Movies but the ads were SO omnipresent on RAW last week)

The Adam Sandler-cowritten and produced Bucky Larson: Born to Be a Star finished way outside of the Top 10, with a three-day take of less than $1.5 million.

The porn comedy was low budget, reportedly costing less than $10 million, and it was low on on-screen star power, with apologies to stand-up Nick Swardson, but it wasn't exactly a little movie. It opened on 1,500 screens (where, if you do the math, it averaged less than a thousand bucks from each.)

Among the films from Sandler's Happy Madison Productions, Bucky Larson is the least of the least, opening smaller than Blockbuster-desperation-night rentals such as Grandma's Boy.


http://www.eonline.com/news/which_fall_movies_didnt_flop_well_how/263068

(edited by Spiraling_Shape on 12.9.11 0627)


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#53 Posted on
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape


    The Adam Sandler-cowritten and produced Bucky Larson: Born to Be a Star finished way outside of the Top 10, with a three-day take of less than $1.5 million.

    The porn comedy was low budget, reportedly costing less than $10 million, and it was low on on-screen star power, with apologies to stand-up Nick Swardson, but it wasn't exactly a little movie. It opened on 1,500 screens (where, if you do the math, it averaged less than a thousand bucks from each.)




Not too surprising... that looked so awful.

Also John Cena is clearly Batman cause he's the hero this company deserves, but not the hero it needs.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
To pile on the Bucky Larson hate, it earned a rare 0% on Rotten Tomatoes. (rottentomatoes.com)



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