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#1 Posted on
From 1wrestling.com

This week's edition of Raw did a 4.0 cable rating according to Nielsen Media Research. That is up from last week's 3.9.






By the way, Storm's gimmick includes 1.) telling the audience to shut up, and 2.) occasionally making everyone stand for the Canadian national anthem. You know they don't know what to do with a wrestler when he's making fans stand for a national anthem. It's like waving a white flag and saying, "This guy has no personality -- we give up."

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#2 Posted on
Yee thats pretty bad. You gotta be fancying they would've been hoping for a bigger post ppv spike what with the return of Austin and Rock/Hogan the night before.

be interested to know what the hourly ratings were to see if people stopped tuning in once they knew Austin wasnt there or if Rocky managed to keep folks watching.

Either way, next week is gonna be very interesting.



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#3 Posted on
The 3.9 last week was much higher than I expected, since it was going against the Joe Millionaire steamroller.
Conversely, the 4.0 this week is a disappointment. I know the night after PPV bump has been inconsistent recently, but since its the night after leading into Mania, I thought a 4.3-4.4 type rating would have occurred.
On the positive side, it shows that Catchphrase is not bringing back the viewers.



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The way I look at it is that Shane O'Mac would be the perfect person to help Raw raise the television ratings. The man is literally willing to kill himself to entertain fans and we have had just about enough of Eric Bischoff. I have never been a Bischoff fan, and probably never will be, but even the most diehard Bischoff fans have to admit his act is getting real stale, real fast.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    On the positive side, it shows that Catchphrase is not bringing back the viewers.


Why is that positive?



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#6 Posted on

    On the positive side, it shows that Catchphrase is not bringing back the viewers.



To be fair, the public didn't know he'd be on the show (remember, he's a Smackdown character). People would expect Austin or Triple H. Next week will be more of an indication, since both he and Austin will be there. If it's still a 4.0, then BOTH aren't brining fans back.



By the way, Storm's gimmick includes 1.) telling the audience to shut up, and 2.) occasionally making everyone stand for the Canadian national anthem. You know they don't know what to do with a wrestler when he's making fans stand for a national anthem. It's like waving a white flag and saying, "This guy has no personality -- we give up."

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Since: 2.11.02
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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze

      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      On the positive side, it shows that Catchphrase is not bringing back the viewers.


    Why is that positive?



More importantly, why is that true?

Ratings are based on what people expect and what is advertised, not on the content of the program. Thats why you see a lot of well hyped, but essentialy crap programs having big ratings in their first week and then tailing off.

Like I said in my original post, if the rating tails off in the second hour, Rocky failed. If he even managed to keep it steady given the disappointment of Austin not being there he deserves a shit load of praise.



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#8 Posted on
My obvious dislike of Catchphrase notwithstanding, this is why it is a positive: Perhaps, by some miracle, the fact that SD ratings did not skyrocket during his program with Hogan and RAW ratings after the PPV stayed steady will demonstrate to someone running the company that perhaps its better to focus on building with guys around for a full year rather than guys who make appearances before a big PPV and then disappear for a few months. Heading into Mania, Hogan, Catchphrase, Austin and Vince will be the four people with the greatest focus upon them. What do they all have in common? None of them were active in the ring for at least 6 months prior to the build-up for Mania.
So, instead of waiting for Nash to return, or signing 'Your Next' in a desperate attempt to recapture Mania 1998-Mania 2001, the WWF/E will realize in the future if its going to turn things around, its going to be guys there for the long haul, not guys dropping by for guest appearances who will cause a turnaround.



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by hebtheeagle
    The way I look at it is that Shane O'Mac would be the perfect person to help Raw raise the television ratings. The man is literally willing to kill himself to entertain fans and we have had just about enough of Eric Bischoff. I have never been a Bischoff fan, and probably never will be, but even the most diehard Bischoff fans have to admit his act is getting real stale, real fast.


I don't see how Shane could possibly help when Rock and Austin, no doubt the most over and recognizable wrestlers in the world today, won't bump the ratings. What is your rationale for such a statement?
And secondly, I'm not a "die-hard Bischoff fan" but I am entertained more and more each week by him. He's not stale and I have certainly not "had enough" of him, so speak for yourself.



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#10 Posted on
I'll also leap to the defence of Eric. I never really got into WCW so I'm far from being a 'die hard fan', but I do find him to be one of the more consistently entertaining parts of Raw.

Nothing against Shane, but theres more than enough talent on both RAW and SD to have ratings at the level they were a couple of years ago. How many more 'big comebacks' do we need to have before they decide working on getting the most out of what they have could be more beneficial in the long run.



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    My obvious dislike of Catchphrase notwithstanding, this is why it is a positive: Perhaps, by some miracle, the fact that SD ratings did not skyrocket during his program with Hogan and RAW ratings after the PPV stayed steady will demonstrate to someone running the company that perhaps its better to focus on building with guys around for a full year rather than guys who make appearances before a big PPV and then disappear for a few months. Heading into Mania, Hogan, Catchphrase, Austin and Vince will be the four people with the greatest focus upon them. What do they all have in common? None of them were active in the ring for at least 6 months prior to the build-up for Mania.
    So, instead of waiting for Nash to return, or signing 'Your Next' in a desperate attempt to recapture Mania 1998-Mania 2001, the WWF/E will realize in the future if its going to turn things around, its going to be guys there for the long haul, not guys dropping by for guest appearances who will cause a turnaround.



But, keep in mind that when those four individuals were off TV, the people at the top of the card weren't drawing. If anything, they deserve to be at the top of the card at WM even less than Rock & Austin do.

With WrestleMania just around the corner, they need to have the big names and on the card even if they're only around for one PPV out of the year, because that one PPV happens to be the showcase of the biggest talent and brightest stars in WWE and that's what they are. Except Vince.

Rock and Austin should be around all the time in an ideal world, but they're not due to extenuating circumstances. But, hey, here we are. Since they returned just in time for WM (not coincidentally), they have to be at the top of the card, because nobody else can do it right now.

The Rock showing up every once in a while isn't the ideal situation, but there is no one on WWE's roster that comes even close to doing what he is able to do. WWE should be taking advantage of him any way that they can, and they are. Sort of.
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#12 Posted on
I think at this point they might be better off using the temporary talent to elevate the more permanent talent. Rock is perfectly willing to job to damn near anyone, so why not take advantage of that and have him do the big job to a star who needs the big win? There is plenty of talent who could use the elevation. I have no idea how to get Austin to do the big job for somebody, but if you put someone in a feud with him and made it look like it was possible for him to beat Austin, it could probably do some good for Raw's weak heels.





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54

    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    From 1wrestling.com

    This week's edition of Raw did a 4.0 cable rating according to Nielsen Media Research. That is up from last week's 3.9.





Two quotes spring to mind.

First, from last week's ratings thread:

"I don't think WWE is concerned with RAW's rating to be honest and they shouldn't."
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And, from the WWE's earnings report:

"Television Advertising revenues were $17.5 million as compared to $21.3 million
last year. This decline was principally due to the impact of lower television ratings
and a decrease in sponsorship revenues."
- WWE

So who cares about ratings?

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Since: 12.10.02
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#14 Posted on
Way to take things out of context. It doesn't say anywhere in there where that 3.8 million dropoff is from. Maybe it's mainly from the drop in the Smackdown rating?

Besides, the point I was making last week was that the RAW TV contract with TNN is a hell of a lot more secure even with the sagging ratings then the Smackdown contract with UPN.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
I think that the rating shows that RAW can chug along just fine without HHH. I'd like to see how the end of the show did with the battle royale.



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#16 Posted on
TIme....... its takes it to figure out what will help. If they would have popped a high rating the talk still would have been negative. People would have said oh its post PPV and all that other jazz



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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by hebtheeagle
    The way I look at it is that Shane O'Mac would be the perfect person to help Raw raise the television ratings. The man is literally willing to kill himself to entertain fans and we have had just about enough of Eric Bischoff. I have never been a Bischoff fan, and probably never will be, but even the most diehard Bischoff fans have to admit his act is getting real stale, real fast.


Yes. Bischoff is stale, but Shane hopping out doing his best imitation of a black person is what this company needs. Shane's stunts (every last one of them) were heavily safeguarded and I have "had just about enough" of people acting like he's this selfless martyr who is willing to go to any lengths to entertain us, the salivating fans.

Shane McMahon falls off things from great heights onto matresses. There are any number of guys in the world who would do that. It does take balls, but if you think Vince didn't double check those things and make it as safe as possible then you're wrong. It's not like they're going to hire some second-rate stunt crew...Only Owen got that kind of treatment and we all know what happened there.

Shane gets lauded for his efforts and then he gets five months off. I mean, Jesus, if any wrestler could have the whole company go out of its way to make them seem fearless, and take a big but completely safe bump and then have all the time off they wanted, I bet even A-Train would take those bumps.

Then there's the match with Kurt Angle. Ooh, he went through glass. Excuse me if, in my old age (19) I find that to be a far greater sign of severe retardation than of courage or desire. And that great match was with Kurt Angle. Angle had 3 great matches that night. This was where Angle was really coming into his own as the best worker on this continent; so let's not pretend it was some classic cut right down the middle. Carried is carried. Shane wouldn't have had a match that good with B.G. James.

Finally, there is no evidence that Shane was ever a draw in terms of ratings. He never did house shows, not consistently anyway, so you can't say he sold tickets. All of his "big matches" were on undercards of shows headlined by Rock, Austin, Foley, 'Taker, etc., so if someone can lend me evidence that Shane was ever a big star then I'd like to see it.










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#18 Posted on

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad

      Originally posted by hebtheeagle

      It's not like they're going to hire some second-rate stunt crew...Only Owen got that kind of treatment and we all know what happened there

      .










    Thats just wrong. and who said that the stunt crew for him was not good. And this relates to the Rating how?




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#19 Posted on
it was clearly stated in all the released info that Owen's rigging was not of the highest quality...And it relates to the RAW rating because I am trying to draw attention to the fact that Shane is probably the most heavily protected performer in the history of the business (for all his sparse talent), and there is no indication, despite this protection, that he could make a lick of difference in the ratings.



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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by Underwater
    I think at this point they might be better off using the temporary talent to elevate the more permanent talent. Rock is perfectly willing to job to damn near anyone, so why not take advantage of that and have him do the big job to a star who needs the big win?


You mean like Booker T?



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