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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
    Originally posted by It's False
    Good to see they gave the Power to the People...and by that, they meant giving them the power to watch the E rig the vote. I mean, come on, so many of these votes were so blatantly rigged. Seriously? Mason Ryan? Arm wrestling? Cole in a dance-off when Booker's RIGHT THERE?


To me, all that was proof that the voting was fair. When Mason Ryan got voted in, I had a feeling that the viewers voting were just shitting all over this show, but when the arm-wrestling contest won I knew it.

I was laughing at how the viewers picked Mason Ryan simply to see him fall apart (which he did) in a shitty match (which they had). The WWE won't even dare put Ryan in any match at all because they know how bad he is. They're going going to start with the first match of the night after Kelly Kelly's opener.

The crowd chanting "this is stupid" at the arm-wrestling contest was vindication for the people who voted for it.

People saw the opportunity to screw with the WWE with these votes, and they did.

edit: Also, isn't Punk's contract "really" up months from now?

(edited by Tribal Prophet on 21.6.11 0733)
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.16
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    To me, all that was proof that the voting was fair.

Indeed. I appreciate there is no convincing some people otherwise but it really would be monumentally stupid of them to rig it. The downside of being caught screwing voters so massively outweighs the upside of, say, Booker T rather than Michael Cole attempting to become WWE Dance Dance World Champion (TM Hocking) that it shouldn't even be a matter worthy of discussion.

There's a real good chance that most of us here, in our increasingly advanced years, simply aren't attuned to the mindset of most of WWE's target audience.

For the average 13 year-old RAW fan, Sin Cara's just some guy that had a couple of average matches then buggered off to Smackdown, seeing Michael Cole dancing like a twat is big lolz, and Kane arm wrestling is.........OK I'm fucked if I know what the thinking was there. I *do* know it wasn't the WWE thinking "let's rig the vote" because they were so very desperate to get an arm wrestling contest on live television.

Besides, it's much easier and safer for them to just not-very-subtly encourage the masses to VOTE KELLY if they want to steer things towards a particular outcome.

    Originally posted by Justin
    Someone needs to take notes on every amazing thing Mark Henry said after he decimated the Big Red Machine Kane. "Ain't gonna be no peace as long as I'm around! It's about to get crazy 'round here! I'm the best who ever did it!"


"LET HIM SUFFER. LET HIM SUFFER LIKE I SUFFERED! I DON'T GET NO RESPECT AIN'T NOBODY GONNA GET NO PEACE AROUND HERE AS LONG AS I'M DOIN' THIS."

Then something unintelligible, then "I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD" and helpfully "I DID THIS" before something about stones (?), and as you correctly stated "I'm the best that ever did it".

Great, great stuff. If these last few weeks have taught us anything it's that when an angry black man is talking, we all should shut up and listen.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by It's False
      Good to see they gave the Power to the People...and by that, they meant giving them the power to watch the E rig the vote. I mean, come on, so many of these votes were so blatantly rigged. Seriously? Mason Ryan? Arm wrestling? Cole in a dance-off when Booker's RIGHT THERE?


    To me, all that was proof that the voting was fair. When Mason Ryan got voted in, I had a feeling that the viewers voting were just shitting all over this show, but when the arm-wrestling contest won I knew it.

    I was laughing at how the viewers picked Mason Ryan simply to see him fall apart (which he did) in a shitty match (which they had). The WWE won't even dare put Ryan in any match at all because they know how bad he is. They're going going to start with the first match of the night after Kelly Kelly's opener.

    The crowd chanting "this is stupid" at the arm-wrestling contest was vindication for the people who voted for it.

    People saw the opportunity to screw with the WWE with these votes, and they did.
    (edited by Tribal Prophet on 21.6.11 0733)


Having slept on it, yeah, a combination of this and dMr's "we're old" theory makes far more sense. Also, I think the visual of Sin Cara standing next to Ryan did him in; I went back and looked at some of the texts my friend was sending me during the show, and there was one that just said "when did they hire a mini?"



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
    Originally posted by dMr
    Besides, it's much easier and safer for them to just not-very-subtly encourage the masses to VOTE KELLY if they want to steer things towards a particular outcome.


Not very subtle at all. All yesterday afternoon my feed was bombarded with retweets from Kelly Kelly's Twitter about voting for her. K2 was the only potential contender the Bellas addressed (and dismissed) on their Twitter. And a quick scan of Facebook pages shows a lot of hype to vote for Kelly during RAW; no such hype on Eve or Beth Phoenix's pages. This was the equivalent of a very well orchestrated high school voting campaign. And it worked!

I was not ready for the Reign of Bellas to end so soon, but if anyone deserved that pink butterfly, it's Kelly Kelly. Wrestling, among many things, is a popularity contest and Kelly is the most popular WWE Diva. She's been around five years, had major angles start and then get dropped (a couple of huge ones this year alone), she's been a reliable trooper, never had a scandal, never embarrassed the company, has been a loyal company-made star from day one, and people love her. Hell, I love her. She's the Diva Ricky Steamboat (without the technical skill), the epitome of a babyface. Kelly Kelly deserved the attagirl.

Does it "mean" anything for Kelly Kelly to be Divas Champion? It does to her. The Divas prize that butterfly. "It's still real to them, dammit!" Well, it is. The Divas are not really supported by their company, not utilized as anything more than filler, not considered anywhere near what they were when Trish Stratus and her generation built the division.

With the more legitimate and meaningful Women's Championship retired, that Divas Title is all the Divas have. The only prize they can win, besides a Slammy. The Divas Title is an ersatz World Title. So for all intents and purposes, Kelly Kelly is finally a World Champion.

Kelly Kelly is also the first Diva to successfully defend the World Heavyweight Championship and then become Divas Champion. It's K2's year.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
Does Punk and his contract gimmick make Cena a tertiary element of this title challenge? Instead of a Cena story, this is a Punk story.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
I must be both in the minority and very optimistic. I think Punk is using Twitter to work an angle. He's facing Cena to start and if July 17 is really his last night in the company the outcome of that match would be the pure definition of "foregone conclusion". I think it could be more logical that he's agreed to a deal, wins the belt, relives his summer of Punk angle for a short while and then takes a few months off before coming back with a vengeance.

Does it really make sense for WWE to put him over this strong right before he leaves? They're booking him as well now as they have in forever. It would make more sense to job him harder than they were before if he was actually leaving.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.58
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Kelly Kelly is also the first Diva to successfully defend the World Heavyweight Championship and then become Divas Champion. It's K2's year.


Wow, I totally must've missed that one (and thankfully).
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Kelly Kelly is also the first Diva to successfully defend the World Heavyweight Championship and then become Divas Champion. It's K2's year.


    Wow, I totally must've missed that one (and thankfully).


Here it was: http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=42803



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#29 Posted on
    Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
    I must be both in the minority and very optimistic. I think Punk is using Twitter to work an angle. He's facing Cena to start and if July 17 is really his last night in the company the outcome of that match would be the pure definition of "foregone conclusion". I think it could be more logical that he's agreed to a deal, wins the belt, relives his summer of Punk angle for a short while and then takes a few months off before coming back with a vengeance.

    Does it really make sense for WWE to put him over this strong right before he leaves? They're booking him as well now as they have in forever. It would make more sense to job him harder than they were before if he was actually leaving.


I think it's either that or his deal really isn't up til a few months later and they'll run this angle for a while before he really leaves. I think the likelihood, in order:

1) He's already agreed to a deal
2) His contract is up at some point in August or September
3) His contract is up July 17 and WWE is sucking up to ensure he comes back after a breather
4) His contract is up July 17 and he plans to never come back -- and WWE knows that
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.72
Re: Ryan beating Sin Cara in the fan voting, remember that it was just over a year ago that they did this last and Rey ended up losing to Punk in fan vote to face Cena. The resulting match ended with the Nexus assault. Since Nexus attacking Punk never came back up despite ample, logical opportunities to work it into storylines, I just kind of assume now that they really did figure Rey would win the voting there and be out there to take the beating with Cena, and the same thing just happened again this year to Sin Cara.

Things to take away from all of that:

-The WWE Universe either won't vote for guys in masks, or at the very least will always choose someone in a cult over them.

-Even though he was fired this month, Michael Tarver should have just shown up in the crowd to attack during the Bourne/Ryan match, citing precedent.

-Punk ad-libbing the attempted save on Cena during the Nexus Invasion last year remains a brilliant (presumed) ad-lib on his part, one that they wasted, and proof that he's the best guy in the company, hands down.

-Either prior or in addition to signing Sin Cara, they should have just stuck Evan Bourne in a mask and reaped the rewards of all the merchandise he'd move. He doesn't talk anyway. Just say "Evan Bourne wears a mask now. In fact, he's always worn one." Or have Cody Rhodes throw acid in his face. Whatever works.

-Fans have terrible tase in almost everything.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
WWE's Twitter just posted:

@WWE WWE
Technical errors occurred in some of the voting results during Raw: Power to the People. Check with WWE.com throughout the day for more.

What does this mean? Did the Universe NOT vote for arm-wrestling?



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.33
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    WWE's Twitter just posted:


    What does this mean? Did the Universe NOT vote for arm-wrestling?

WWE.com said Sin Cara should've won, but a back-log of people voting for the Divas Title match (Kelly and Mason were both "b" options) led to Ryan winning. I wonder how they can determine it was a back-log from the Divas and not people voting for Ryan?
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    WWE's Twitter just posted:

    @WWE WWE
    Technical errors occurred in some of the voting results during Raw: Power to the People. Check with WWE.com throughout the day for more.

    What does this mean? Did the Universe NOT vote for arm-wrestling?


From the front page of WWE.com:

Sham vote screws Sin Cara: WWE apologizes to the WWE Universe, Raw's "Power to the People" voters, and especially Sin Cara and Evan Bourne. The match vote was inaccurate due to a heavy backlog of votes from the Divas Title Match. More details on WWE.com throughout the day.

It explains so much.



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#34 Posted on
Whomever voted for Mason Ryan as a 'screw you' to WWE is incredibly self-hating.

Count me in the bunch that thinks Punk is actually leaving, and the swerve is us thinking we're being swerved.
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#35 Posted on
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      WWE's Twitter just posted:

      @WWE WWE
      Technical errors occurred in some of the voting results during Raw: Power to the People. Check with WWE.com throughout the day for more.

      What does this mean? Did the Universe NOT vote for arm-wrestling?


    From the front page of WWE.com:

    Sham vote screws Sin Cara: WWE apologizes to the WWE Universe, Raw's "Power to the People" voters, and especially Sin Cara and Evan Bourne. The match vote was inaccurate due to a heavy backlog of votes from the Divas Title Match. More details on WWE.com throughout the day.

    It explains so much.


I call shenanigans. From the writeup:

Kelly got 53%, Beth 36% and Eve 11%
Mason Ryan got 51%, Sin Cara got 30% and Swagger got 19%

Kelly's vote total wasn't so much higher that the overrun would have given Mason Ryan THAT much of a boost in that Sin Cara would have won anyway. If there were leftovers for Kelly, chances are there were leftovers for Beth and Eve as well. But Mason Ryan won by 21%. You can't tell me that was ALL due to Kelly Kelly votes. That's pretty much mathematically impossible.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.33
    Originally posted by Hokienautic

    1) He's already agreed to a deal
    2) His contract is up at some point in August or September
    3) His contract is up July 17 and WWE is sucking up to ensure he comes back after a breather
    4) His contract is up July 17 and he plans to never come back -- and WWE knows that


For what it's worth, the impression the Meltzers of the world have is - IF Punk really is leaving - he's definitely coming back at some point. It's a Jericho-like hiatus (maybe not even that long), not a farewell.

I think you have the right order.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.58
I actually believe the story of the technical error. WWE obviously would've preferred a Bourne/Sin Cara match and obviously wouldn't want Ryan to go out there with no prep and embarrass himself.

That whole scenario was weird altogether. They run a Bourne video package and build him up...but then of the three voting options, two (Ryan and Sin Cara) are guys that WWE would be obliged to have beat Bourne.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
Punk's tweets are supposed to manipulate us jerks who think they know things. At face value, the angle for the layperson is just "I hope CM Punk, a cheater, does not steal the WWE title and leave with it." For the hardcore fans, it plays on their expectations about what they 'know' can and can't happen with a guy who's leaving and makes them outguess themselves. Success!

WWE did something similar with Jeff Hardy (feuding with Punk) when his contract was up in summer 2009. Then they had him win the title to swerve people who knew he was leaving and got Jeff to stick around an extra month (hmm). The difference is that that kept Smackdown's only top program going whereas Raw has Del Rio/Cena supposedly waiting in the wings for SummerSlam. But if this Punk angle gets hot on TV and their new pet cause "Social Media" I can see them falling in love with fooling people and keeping it going.

    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I call shenanigans. From the writeup:

    Kelly got 53%, Beth 36% and Eve 11%
    Mason Ryan got 51%, Sin Cara got 30% and Swagger got 19%

    Kelly's vote total wasn't so much higher that the overrun would have given Mason Ryan THAT much of a boost in that Sin Cara would have won anyway. If there were leftovers for Kelly, chances are there were leftovers for Beth and Eve as well. But Mason Ryan won by 21%. You can't tell me that was ALL due to Kelly Kelly votes. That's pretty much mathematically impossible.


I don't think it's necessarily in terms of exact number of votes so much as their counting technology sucked and didn't reset properly. The same thing might've carried over to armwrestling. Frankly it makes too much sense to not be true. We all need peace of mind on this. Unfortunately Bourne still looked bad on TV and lost to Ma-Ry. (holy shit yes gotta call him May-Ry).

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    That whole scenario was weird altogether. They run a Bourne video package and build him up...but then of the three voting options, two (Ryan and Sin Cara) are guys that WWE would be obliged to have beat Bourne.


That's a good point too. But I suppose it's a lot better to lose a competitive, spectacular match than a bad cat & mouse squash.

    Originally posted by dMp
    "LET HIM SUFFER. LET HIM SUFFER LIKE I SUFFERED! I DON'T GET NO RESPECT AIN'T NOBODY GONNA GET NO PEACE AROUND HERE AS LONG AS I'M DOIN' THIS."

    Then something unintelligible, then "I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD" and helpfully "I DID THIS" before something about stones (?), and as you correctly stated "I'm the best that ever did it".


AMAZING

(edited by JustinShapiro on 21.6.11 1358)
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.85
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by CxMorgado
        Originally posted by John Orquiola
        WWE's Twitter just posted:

        @WWE WWE
        Technical errors occurred in some of the voting results during Raw: Power to the People. Check with WWE.com throughout the day for more.

        What does this mean? Did the Universe NOT vote for arm-wrestling?


      From the front page of WWE.com:

      Sham vote screws Sin Cara: WWE apologizes to the WWE Universe, Raw's "Power to the People" voters, and especially Sin Cara and Evan Bourne. The match vote was inaccurate due to a heavy backlog of votes from the Divas Title Match. More details on WWE.com throughout the day.

      It explains so much.


    I call shenanigans. From the writeup:

    Kelly got 53%, Beth 36% and Eve 11%
    Mason Ryan got 51%, Sin Cara got 30% and Swagger got 19%

    Kelly's vote total wasn't so much higher that the overrun would have given Mason Ryan THAT much of a boost in that Sin Cara would have won anyway. If there were leftovers for Kelly, chances are there were leftovers for Beth and Eve as well. But Mason Ryan won by 21%. You can't tell me that was ALL due to Kelly Kelly votes. That's pretty much mathematically impossible.
I buy their explanation. geemoney didn't break it down, but it was always an "A/B/C" setup - Kelly Kelly was "B."

For the first half of the show, the "B" choice won EVERY vote.

That totally explains Mason Ryan and arm wrestling matches as they happened to be the "B" choice for their respective votes.

(If the E were smart, they'd book a Bourne/Sin Cara "special attraction"/make good on Friday's Smackdown or next week's RAW.)

(EDIT: Also a Paper Bag match - I'm sure nobody really voted for a No Countout match)

(edited by CRZ on 21.6.11 1323)


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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.85
    Originally posted by dMr
    "LET HIM SUFFER. LET HIM SUFFER LIKE I SUFFERED! I DON'T GET NO RESPECT AIN'T NOBODY GONNA GET NO PEACE AROUND HERE AS LONG AS I'M DOIN' THIS."

    Then something unintelligible, then "I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD" and helpfully "I DID THIS" before something about stones (?), and as you correctly stated "I'm the best that ever did it".
I believe there was something in there about how the fans shouldn't try to touch him, and nobody should touch him.



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