[ this is my first thread here, and one of my first posts... so i'm going to TRY to make it a good one. ]
so it's been almost 2 months since the split. angles are in play, and many underexposed wrestlers are starting to come out of the shadows to fill in the voids on both shows. what i'm wondering is which show do you guys think is better? looking at the rosters, i would think that smackdown would just wipe the floor with raw. but watching the shows, and hearing some people's reactions, i wouldn't get the same impression.
my personal standpoint is that raw has the weaker roster, but the stuff they are putting on is fairly entertaining (intentionally or not). the booker t - goldust skits have me cracking up constantly, and the matches featuring the book, rvd, or eddie are pretty good for the most part. i still look forward to seeing smackdown, what with all of my favorite guys (edge, christian, hurricane, angle, jericho, storm, etc) on it, but the show just doesn't have much *OOMPH* or impact on me anymore.
i'm actually going to raw tonight in toronto, and i'm pretty unenthused about the lineup of stars, but hopefully they can put out a watchable show, as they've been doing lately... and hopefully i get plenty of eddie, booker and d-lo =).
what are your standpoints on the shows, or the rosters, thus far into the split?
Honestly, neither show is really doing it for me these days. I watch Raw to see Lesnar, then usually lose interest. I watch Smackdown to see Jericho and will flip to other channels until he comes back on. Angle, Edge, and Booker will sometimes make me stick around, but not consistently. I think the split was a good idea on paper. More wrestlers are getting TV time, but in terms of story line quality, it's been something of a failure. I've been watching wrestling non stop for 8 years now, but watching these days is more of an effort than it is enjoyment...
For the past couple of weeks I generally come away from Raw hating the WWE, wondering how the can possible justify the split, then watch Smackdown, and all is well until Monday, when the cycle continues again. I think Smackdown has been really good the last 2 weeks while Raw continues to be 75% boring, which sucks because if I had to pick one to be better, I'd pick Raw. If the rosters were reversed, I probably wouldn't even watch Smackdown, but there's something about wrestling on Monday nights. I still see the split ending by the end of the summer (especially if Flair is still a heel). They'll see who they can get over by then, reform, and the guys who haven't gotten over yet will be forgotten, that's just my guess, I could be wrong.
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Much like you, I'm not much of a poster here. But I tend to agree that I've enjoyed RAW more than Smackdown with the exception of The Main Event scene. I have been turning RAW off in the second hour because the Main Event doesn't entertain me while on Smackdown I get to at least watch Kurt Angle.
Originally posted by BobHollySTILLRulesIf the rosters were reversed, I probably wouldn't even watch Smackdown, but there's something about wrestling on Monday nights. I still see the split ending by the end of the summer (especially if Flair is still a heel). They'll see who they can get over by then, reform, and the guys who haven't gotten over yet will be forgotten, that's just my guess, I could be wrong.
do you think the wwf realized that before the split? "gee, let's put the more interesting guys on smackdown, and have raw be all about a certain circle of few... people will watch it. it's MONDAY NIGHT!" does that make sense? it sounds a little odd, but it would make some sense.
As long as you have one writing team doing both shows there will be no competition. They need to have a clear seperation. Not just rosters and TV but also writers scripting both shows. Then you will have true competition.
As the pattern gets more intricate and subtle, being swept along is no longer enough.
I agree with waldo on the writing point, only I think it needs to be expanded. Essentially, what I've seen so far is the same basic product with two different sets of people playing the parts. A diversification of the products really needs to occur before there can be any real separation.
But now comes the obivous question - can there be competition within itself? Not sure if I can see that myself...
Originally posted by evilwaldoAs long as you have one writing team doing both shows there will be no competition. They need to have a clear seperation. Not just rosters and TV but also writers scripting both shows. Then you will have true competition.
You'd think with the firing of Hall and Perfect, the company would have freed up enough funds to hire new writers. I'd read some speculation that the cash was going to be used instead to try and sign Goldberg, though.
Still, I think the writing team would be the better long run investment.
I still find both shows to be very entertaining, or else I wouldn't waste my time with them, or here, every week. RAW has a much better undercard (I enjoy the hardcore schmoz, the Brock beatdown, and whatever they're doing with Eddie/RVD and Regal that week) and a poor main event (more due to the fact that it was the exact same for so long). Smackdown usually seems fairly off to me, until it hits the main, at which time I watch much more closely. I'm not much of a cruisers fan, but I've enjoyed the one match a week that they've given, so I guess that's the other real bright spot there.
I'd have to say that I didn't give a crap about Booker, Golddust, Billy & Chuck, Snow, Hardcore, Stevie Richards, Kidman, Tajiri, Spike, Buh Buh, D-Von or Undertaker before the split, but now I do. So, I guess it's worked on me. Of course your experiences may (and apparently do) vary.
I agree with Excalibur05, Raw has a better undercard, but sucks in the Main Event, mostly because Austin has been in a holding pattern for several months.
Smackdown's Main Event scene kicks ass, mostly because Jericho has been on fire since shortly after WM.
It seems like every week one of the shows' strengths outweighs its weaknesses and the other one's doesn't. So far I'd say that I enjoy Smackdown! more often than Raw, but some weeks I like Raw much better. Unless Smackdown is great, I think this might be one of those weeks.
Even though I hated seeing Terri in the ring, and Booker joining the NWO, the rest of the show was quite entertaining, particularly seeing Hogan and Flair pulling out all the nostalgia stops.
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I think Raw is doing the most they can with the little they have while Smackdown seems to be doing really good in main event talent (jericho/H.. Angle/Edge) they hit all the time well. The rest is blah
Raw positives : I truly think the Raw women (Trish,Molly,Jazz) stepped up huge since the split. And now I don't find them just a part of the show but actually a highlight that something I look forward to... Bookdust has been a pleasent entertaining surprise... RVD should wrestle every week (him not wrestling this week was really noticable)... you have the top annoncing team, I truly think that's an important aspect.
Raw Negatives : main event, seeing Bradshaw in this spot pains me. I'm guessing this slot was meant for Kane and he got hurt so they but the hoss in there. I'm not a huge Kane fan but having Bradshaw take his place, I miss the big read freak big time... nWo, we have now injured Nash, X-pac and show, could there be a worse group out there. The smarks dont' care for them but what makes it worse I see more interest by the people in the arena for the midcard then nWo main events...injuries, I looked at Raw at the beginning and said they will be okay if not for injuries and the injury (amoung other things) hit hard with Jazz and Kane gone, I think it efffected Raw... Hardyz (tick, tick, tick) nothing can save these guys.
Smackdown positives : Edge (like the women did on raw) Edge won my stepping up award, never was a huge fan of his and didn't think he had main event in him, but he really showed me something after the split... main eventers (y2j/h...angle/edge)interviews and matches between these people are always fun... Jericho stepped up himself after losing the title... Jericho/H build what they should have done for wrestlemania they are doing now... Rico not crazy about billy and chuck but like rico (i dont' get why either i just do)
Smackdown negatives : the announcers, the Raw B team of Raven and coach are better then cole and tazz, listening to them 2 makes the show just seem B-Level...D-von, I don't hate the reverend gimmick, the collar does bother me he should wear a diamond suit like steve martin did on leap of faith... vince getting his groove on part 2,errr been there done that, but it might be setting up for stacy going with orton... women on Smackdown are horrible, what a difference between the two shows. Maybe Trish will go over to Smackdown and feud with Ivory to give some diva involvment on the show... Did I mention Michael Cole (lol)
In conclusion I think both shows have been pretty even, I think the Raw guys stepped up a bit more, but it goes back and forth for me week in week out on who has the better show.
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