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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by Above Average 1
    I watched Raw last night and I thought it was the night they could have made Morrison. They built him up really well and going into the finals he was a huge underdog with the bad arm, and facing a fresher Shamus. His winning would have been huge.

You are totally right. I am at least glad they stacked the deck like that to protect him from the loss. They haven't been doing that for the last 6 months.




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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    -Shaemus was probably the absolute worst choice to win the tournament. I've never liked the guy and I have no idea why the office is so in love with have. But put that aside and he needed it the least. He's already been a world champion, so he has the cred that KOTR provides.


Bryan or Del Rio or Morrison could've been elevated, but it seems the point of the tournament was to make Sheamus the king of kings to build him up for Triple H in a repeat of the King Booker feud, so there was a very specific business reason he won. I would've preferred to see someone I really like like DB or Morrison get a big win, but you could argue that heating up HHH/Sheamus is a much more tangible purpose than letting one of the midcarders be called the king for a few months.

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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.04
Are they going to have to edit "2008 King of the Ring" out of Regal's entrance video now? (I'm not sure why, he's still the 2008 King of the Ring winner.)
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#44 Posted on
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Bryan or Del Rio or Morrison could've been elevated, but it seems the point of the tournament was to make Sheamus the king of kings to build him up for Triple H in a repeat of the King Booker feud, so there was a very specific business reason he won. I would've preferred to see someone I really like like DB or Morrison get a big win, but you could argue that heating up HHH/Sheamus is a much more tangential purpose than letting one of the midcarders be called the king for a year.


Oof. By that reasoning, it could mean Triple H returns at the Royal Rumble in Boston. I don't like that idea. If Triple H wins the Rumble for any reason, well, I'd like that even less.

On Twitter, I says of King Sheamus that as the first Irish-born King of WWE, he should take a Diva as Queen by spring, to one up William and Kate. I suggest Maryse, to solidify unity between Celtic Ireland and France (by way of Montreal), but Moss suggested Aksana be his Queen, giving Lithuania its first Queen in 750 years. I like that even better; Aksana is the marrying kind. Plus WWE will be airing in Russia soon, if you want to talk business reasons. (Yeah, Lithuania is different from Russia. Close enough.)

There's also Nikki Bella. Queen Nikki the Beautiful.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.96
    Originally posted by Above Average 1
    I watched Raw last night and I thought it was the night they could have made Morrison. They built him up really well and going into the finals he was a huge underdog with the bad arm, and facing a fresher Shamus. His winning would have been huge.


Morrison went through Del Rio and Sheamus still had to pretty much murder him to get the win. It was a solid showing. He could have used the credibility that goes with being King, but he would have made a pretty lame 'King'.

I still think Morrison is a heel trapped in a faces body, which means he's going to have to go to Smackdown if he ever wants a World Title as a good guy.


    He said best match story, though. He has a point. Flair/Edge was similar (or the same, even) and had the same near-misses where it really looked like the old guy was going to do it, but that match also revolved around a lot more violence and Flair's willingness/desire to take a lot of punishment as opposed to this one's couple well-timed comebacks and timely table breaks. Wasn't Flair's family at ringside though, so there was that aspect. Thinking of storylines in TLCs the only other one I remember is the end of DX/Jerishow when Big Show broke all the ladders so Michaels had to climb one while Triple H held it up.


Of course, if it happens on Raw it just feels like a bigger deal than if it happens on some gimmick PPV, plus more people get to see it live.



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#46 Posted on
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    He could have used the credibility that goes with being King, but he would have made a pretty lame 'King'.


No, John Morrison could have been The Lizard King, he can do anything.



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I still think Morrison is a heel trapped in a faces body, which means he's going to have to go to Smackdown if he ever wants a World Title as a good guy.



His heel mic work was stellar. The nicknames for himself and his moves really sold the "late-'60s Dionysian rock god" gimmick. I hated it at first, but damn if he didn't run with it. The face turn neutered him as it has so many others.

If Orton and Cena are busy going after Nexus, a Morrison title feud with Miz would be a nice placeholder angle until the Rumble or WrestleMania. They wouldn't have to hold back on the mic for concern of carrying the other guy.




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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.60
I thought this was quite the excellent RAW, although CRZ's retweet about Michael Cole gave away Cole's intrusion (for me), so I knew it was coming but oddly that made me want to see it MORE.

    Originally posted by scottyflamingo
    -Shaemus was probably the absolute worst choice to win the tournament. I've never liked the guy and I have no idea why the office is so in love with have. But put that aside and he needed it the least. He's already been a world champion, so he has the cred that KOTR provides.


HHH feud-speculation aside, I thought Sheamus was the ONLY choice. He's really found his personality and I think giving him a crown will make him take it even further.


    -Remember when everyone thought that Morrison was gonna be the Shawn Michaels out of Miz/Morrison?


I still think that from an in-ring perspective Morrison's got more "next HBK"-potential than anyone else they have right now. He's all flippity-floppity and bumptastic.

But the Miz has done more with his character than just about anyone I can remember since...I dunno, Chris Jericho circa WCW? He's gotten over fairly organically from what I can tell, and he's run with it almost like an angst-ridden Ric Flair Jr., minus 70% of the workrate.

EDIT: And oh yeah, let me piggyback on those praising the TLC match, which on paper you go "Jerry Lawler and the Miz in a TLC match?!?!?!", but was really pretty great and CM Punk was awesome. I didn't know he'd won the 1992 King of the Ring in Rio de Janeiro.

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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.91
Something else about Lawler that I thought of at the time, but didn't see anyone mention today...didn't he just have serious knee surgery a month or so ago? It kept him from flying to the U.K. and there were concerns of an infection and keeping him off TV for a few weeks...then he's in a match weeks later?



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.53

For those who don't watch NXT, Cole said he would try and talk to Jerry Lawler during teh week and would address the situation on RAW.



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
I agree with the logic of Morrison winning the KOTR. It would've given him a big credibility boost for a title match against Miz at either TLC or the Royal Rumble. Morrison kinda needed it too, since right now it's clear to both our eyes and to the casual fans' eyes that he's the Jannetty of their old team.
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I agree with the logic of Morrison winning the KOTR. It would've given him a big credibility boost for a title match against Miz at either TLC or the Royal Rumble. Morrison kinda needed it too, since right now it's clear to both our eyes and to the casual fans' eyes that he's the Jannetty of their old team.

I would not be so quick to crown either of them HBK or Jannetty just yet. Many people, myself included, think Miz isn't quite ready for this title run. I like the guy, but it might be a bit soon. Morrison is still in a decent position, and we have no reason to think WWE has given up on him just yet after Monday night.




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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.35
    Originally posted by InVerse
    I think they dropped the ball by putting the crown on Sheamus. While I think he'll make a good king, I don't think he'll benefit from it much. Whereas King Morrison vs Champion Miz could have added an interesting twist to that rivalry. From what I can remember, Miz has won all of the major confrontations (Survivor Series, Bragging Rights) while I think Morrison picked up one or two unimportant victories. Being King of the Ring would have given Morrison some momentum to propel him up the card to a possible Royal Rumble title match against Miz.




I don't think you are alone in this category. I will agree that Sheamus does make a good King of the Ring and probably did it because of losing to Santino and Morrison who are mid-card guys, but in the past, the KOTR was designed to help elevate some mid-carders.

I think they should give the winner of the KOTR the same thing when Lesnar won it and that was a title shot. Not also did you defeat about 3 other people in one night, but also get rewarded with a title opportunity (this guy does not have to win the title like every MITB winner does).
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#54 Posted on
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    EDIT: And oh yeah, let me piggyback on those praising the TLC match, which on paper you go "Jerry Lawler and the Miz in a TLC match?!?!?!", but was really pretty great


I finally got to watch the match last night. That King Lawler sure knows a lot about ring psychology. For a fat, hairy, dumpy old man dropping fists in slow motion, he had the crowd, including me, eating out of that closed fist.

For me, it didn't come close to topping the Greatest TLC Between a Brash Young Champion and a Sentimental Favorite Old Legend, Edge vs. Ric Flair. But how, in a PG era, can you outdo the drama of watching Flair get bloodied and almost murdered with plunder while his daughter and her friend are in the front row crying in hysterics?

But damn if King and Miz didn't succeed far beyond expectations.



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.82
    Originally posted by AlbySure
    Are they going to have to edit "2008 King of the Ring" out of Regal's entrance video now? (I'm not sure why, he's still the 2008 King of the Ring winner.)


It has already been done. I was there live, and I specifically looked at the Regal entrance video, and all references to his 08 KOTR win are gone.

On another subject, if anyone here watches Superstars (I don't get WGN), you need to watch the Tyson Kidd/David Hart Smith match. I thought it stood up to the other great matches on Raw (maybe not Miz/Lawler, but it was about as good as any of the KOTR matches).



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.96
This should be interesting, figured I'd throw it here


    sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
    Just taped a fun pod with the man who ended Cleveland's 46-year title drought: new WWE champ @mikethemiz. Not a LeBron fan. Runs tomorrow.
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    This should be interesting, figured I'd throw it here


      sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
      Just taped a fun pod with the man who ended Cleveland's 46-year title drought: new WWE champ @mikethemiz. Not a LeBron fan. Runs tomorrow.



That will be (wait for it) awesome. Simmons LOVES The Real World and WWE. Thanks for the heads up.



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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    I finally got to watch the match last night. That King Lawler sure knows a lot about ring psychology. For a fat, hairy, dumpy old man dropping fists in slow motion, he had the crowd, including me, eating out of that closed fist.


Sadly a lot of the newer guys don't get how to do that. It was way better than it had any right to be, and it helped too with Punk on commentary showing the mistakes (or as late Gene Shalet would say, Mizstakes) he, the young & cocky new champ, was making that came close to him losing the title.

The 3 hr Raws really suck in Canada with it airing 1 hr 15 mins later while the TV guide says it airs live and records an hr of horse racing and not the last hr of Raw.



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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.91
They need Miz to break out a Bruno-meter since he said he'll be longest reigning champ ever, unless he is going to use the cover of since the name change.

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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
    Originally posted by Big Bad

    This is an awesome analysis of the Cole/Miz relationship, but I don't see how it in any way represents a face turn for Cole.


If Cole were to come out next week, explain the situation in a manner similar to what I did, and offer a sincere apology, I think he could transition back into a face as a result. Now, I don't expect that to happen, nor do I think it *should* happen, I just meant that they were at a point where they could actually go either way if they so chose, which is a rarity in wrestling these days.
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