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#41 Posted on

    Originally posted by OMEGA
    Hey, it looks like Rob Van Dam is without a match for the PPV again! That makes me fucking pissed.


I don't know... They've only announced, like, four matches (Hogan-Rock, Austin-Bischoff, Jericho-Test and HHH-Steiner). Even with all the important Smackdown guys they need to get onboard (Angle, Benoit, Team Angle, Mysterio, Edge, Lesnar, etc.) and the extremely likely Booker-Batista match, there's still plenty of room for him (especially considering the theory that most of those Smackdown guys are going to wind up in some big 6-10 man tag team match).

In fact, if I had to make an educated guess, I'd say Harvey Dee and Kane will probably wind up fighting Regal and Storm at No Way Out.



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#42 Posted on
I do agree that RAW raised our expectations WAY too high, they had us believe that Austin would be on RAW first. I may be the 2nd person to give RAW props, but I'll be the first (probably only) person to give props to The Coach. I know his stuff on Heat, but I was somewhat surprised by him last night. I know he wasn't PERFECT (God rest your soul), but to be honest, we went on and on about how JR was slipping, especially in calling the correct moves. But Coachman did a really good job here, I think. I know his voice is a little nasal, but hey, that's the price we pay for correct and accurate calls these days. So I'll give props to Coach for pulling RAW last night. Good first showing on the Big Show. The King didn't really get on my nerves, but that's due to my natural aversion to annoying things, either that or I was laughing at all his jokes. Uh, Randy had a little tear in his pants, awww... Strategically placed, but not much of a view, oh well. Okay show, and I agree that saving the big guns for PPV is something the WWE knows how to do. Good not great show, just waiting for Randy Orton to talk again.. My heart wasn't in the show, but it was okay.

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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
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#44 Posted on
LOL, so close but so far from a complete recovery..

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#45 Posted on
This was the same as last week, another boring show that was "just kinda there" with no real purpose. They're trying to keep the ratings up by constantly baiting and switching Austin's appearence, but still want to pop the buyrate for NWO when he finally comes back. Can't have it both ways.

According the to the Torch, Austin came out AFTER the cameras stopped rolling and stunned Morely and Jericho. Well, that was friggin stupid. Why not have him come back NOW to justify the crowd tunning in and hype the shit out of his return match an NWO?

I think it's pretty damned funny that the women's wrestlers, the ones who have been degraded in mud and bra-and-panties matches for years are currently putting on the best wrestling. I still don't think a Jazz/Victoria fued is a good ideal, unless they turn Victoria face...but I say have heel Jazz/Victoria vs. face Molly/Trish play out in different combos for the next few months.

I am surprised that no one else said this, but I will give RAW props for moving away from the all-Hunter, all the time formula. Now if they could just find something to do with the extra hour and half they've got...




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#46 Posted on
I'll be the first to admit the Curt Hennig death floored me. So I wasn't going in with high spirits... I didn't like this show at all, after a real good start of the year, the last two weeks have stalled I thought last week was average while this week was bad. It did seem it just dragged on. I noticed I found myself checking the watch so many times and thinking "It's still this time?"

-Bischoff interview- I did like this. Eric was a desperate and irrational. He knew his time was up. So he took it out on the first person he saw and blamed him for all of the troubles. Firing JR at the beginning of the show, and not giving a damn about what the announcing on the show will be... Unfortunately he got replaced by Coach who I think is the worst PBP guy in the WWE. He is too Kingish. And with Lawler not having a straight guy made him and the announcing double annoying

-Test vs. Christian- Decent TV match, nice reversals by Christian to the inverted DDT. I really liked the crossbody rollthrough to a powerpress by Test on Christian. Not a bad match... Jeff (SQUEAL) Ha stupid teen girls Jeff's a heel, Humm why is he doing face stuff? Hey the Team Xtreme gurls called it. Well the found a nut (more ways then one)

-Booker T vs. D'lo- A flurry of shots by BT on DLo at the start of the match and ended it quickly.

-Jazz vs. Molly- I'll get the positives out. First Jazz looked great, her stuff looked so crisp, what amazing submissions. Molly looked good in the limited offense she had.... Why are they throwing Molly out there to the wolves, it's like introducing Jazz (crowd: booo) okay reaction we expected, now introducing opponent Molly (crowd: boo huhh wait ummm confused).

What are they shooting for is it A)Victoria vs. Jazz? Then where was Victoria? There is no sign of either turning even to a semi-face. And if they want them both to portray tough heels why are they not beating up on Jackie who's atleast portraying a face. B)Molly face turn, and her getting beaten up by top heels give her some sympathy but she is getting jobbed out pretty clean with little fan fare. Some interaction with a top face would have helped. Which brings us to... C) Where the hell is Trish? Is he legit hurt? Are they just selling the injury? Or is there something else going on? Last week the say she'll be back and now they don't even know. There was some real cool stuff the last couple of weeks in this division lets hope they know where to go with this. Because there are a couple of decent possibilities

-RVD/Kane vs. 3MinuteWarning- Rico was limping badly, what happened to him? I think King has no clue which 3MW guy is which "Kane is going to choke slam 3 minute warning" He should guess he has a 50/50 chance and I doubt most of the audience knows, I know I don't (Rosey with the dark hair right?). Well a nice 5star splash atleast and crowd pops big for it.

-McMahon interview- Is he evil hating Hogan McMahon or what is he these days. I liked it when he wasn't on TV. I'll repeat myself I dont' miss this character at all. Babyface move in putting Morley in a 3 on 1 match against all the Dudleyz. Bischoff about to get fired but comes up with his greatest idea ever (sarcasm) HLA, but with bi-sexuals this time. You have to be a bit lesbian to be bi, Right. Who knows. Mildly funny attempt but still pretty stupid and unentertaining. Vince fires him, it might be for the best. Urh forced Goodbye song. Stop singing please!

-Dudleyz X3 vs. Morley- What a beating on Morley, this was only 3 minutes felt like 7. Oh no Morley is gone.

-Batista vs. Dreamer- Hey I like the sneak attack by Dreamer. Ouch Match over Batista wins... Wow Booker and HHH how cool would it be if he put BT over (hahaha, sorry). Oh yeah we have to get rid of this Steiner feud first Err. I thought it was embarrassing when Bret cut a promo with his fly open. But Ortons dress pants exploding under him takes the cake. That's one huge split. What is with this feud and pants mishaps. First Steiner getting powerbombed out of his pants and we get to see his disgusting underwear now This. Pants beware!

-Jericho vs. Jeff Hardy- I was expecting a 5 minute match. I was surprised when this got double digit minutes. Not very eventful even with 10 minutes. Someone finally used Jeff's hankie against him (it's blue and white). Jeff hasn't been horrible lately and they seem to hit everything well but the match had very little flow. I'm not going to be too hard on it because it's the only male match that had my attention at all, and it was match of the night... Just seeing closeups off Jeff is scary. And not cool scary like old school Undertaker, but depressing and uncomfortable scary.

-Last Segment- Or should I call it the WHY segment. WHY JR felt he had to announce now that Austin is coming back if he hates Bischoff, wouldn't he get his job back once the new GM comes in. WHY does the King want Bischoff to move so he/we could see a better shot of Vince's ass? I'll be happy if they just showed Shane McMahon. I like Bischoff and all but again a huge build and delivered nothing or anything.

-other stuff- Annoying Fink is always funny... whining Jericho is good... Why did Bubba bring a dog collar with him when he visited Bischoff. Uh no another Goodbye song, I'm getting sick of that song... I had no idea what GGW stood for until coming here. I'm so out of the loop I didn't know what HLA stood for until Bischoff spelled it out for us a few months ago

I think this show missed on so many levels, in ring hardly anything delivered and they made me less interested in the overall Raw brand characters and angles after this weeks show then I was only 3 weeks ago. It felt like one huge step backwards yesterday.




(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 11.2.03 1348)


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#47 Posted on
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Man, I was actually really excited to see Raw last night. I was expecting to see Shane McMahon on my fucking TV screen to come as Raw's NEW GM, but did I see that? No. Hell no. I can't believe I actually thought that Bischoff would be gone. And I had to endure seeing Vince's ass again after I was just starting to get that awful image of Vince prancing around with JR's hat...ugh.

On the bright side though, at least there's some one else cool from my state (Molly).

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#48 Posted on
You know, some of you read into things a little too much. Did they say "Stone Cold WILL be here tonight!"? NO. I've seen people throwing a fit about a "bait and switch" and it's really pissing me off. Let me get that out of my system.

I liked Raw. Bischoff and Morely got amazing heel heat. The Dudley Beatdown was satisfying. I liked the RVD-Kane/3MW match. I liked Booker kicking the crap out of D'Lo as well (along with Teddy calling him "playa"). People complain that there is too much HHH. He was all but absent last night. Jericho/Hardy was fun, but the audience distractions were hurting it a bit.

Of course, the highlight was Jazz/Molly. It's nice to see everyone jumping on the Jazzwagon. She's one hell of a worker and I adore her matches. Her STF is vicious as hell. I also enjoyed her reverse butterfly one as well. She also busted out the chain underhook suplexes again, making me very happy. Go Jazz go!



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#49 Posted on
I'd love to see Steiner botch a powerbomb on Jazz, personally. ;-) Just letting you know not EVERYONE jumped on the "jazzwagon". I kid, I kid!

Edit: I DO hate Jazz.

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#50 Posted on

    Originally posted by HrdCoreJoe
    I'd love to see Steiner botch a powerbomb on Jazz, personally. ;-) Just letting you know not EVERYONE jumped on the "jazzwagon". I kid, I kid!

    Edit: I DO hate Jazz.

    (edited by HrdCoreJoe on 19.3.03 0258)



Why, why, why?

I mean I know she's not the bonniest of divas but she's downright tremendous in the ring.

Fair enough she does seem a little confused as to who the womens champion is (and thus who she should be beating on), but her heel character is awesome.

Leave the poor girl alone. she deserves not such vitriol.



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#51 Posted on

    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    -RVD/Kane vs. 3MinuteWarning- Rico was limping badly, what happened to him?


He got powerbombed through a table by the Dudleyz last week.

Yes, he was STILL selling that powerbomb from LAST week (the announcers didn't notice, of course ).

Coincidentaly, Rico is my new favorite...uh...manager. Sorry, Paul E.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
I gotta agree with the Mistress here. The Coach did a fine job with Lawler. Hell, he was at least having fun and even laughing at Lawler's antics (it didn't seem forced). Although I will admit that Jonathon needs to stop using "well now" as his intro back into calling the matches.

Jeff Hardy is nothing like Curt Hennig. Jeff didn't sell AT ALL during his match. Every time the camera panned on him, he looked at best mildly perturbed. And you are supposed to swat the gum, not leave it in the whole match.

Faces finally went over definitively. YAY! After weeks of heel domination, the good guys get a Raw to shine.



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#53 Posted on
I also enjoyed Raw last night. There were just a lot of things happening that made me smile.

I was on the computer while I was watching the Kane/RVD vrs. TMW match, so I didn't see the whole thing. From what I did see, though, I was impressed by TMW. Granted my expectations were very low, but an improvement is still an improvement.

Triple H seems to be sliding back into his early DX days a little bit. The well-kept hair, busty girl for a limo driver, and cheeky talk all are telltale signs. For me at least, this is a change for the better. Evolution needs another member, but the ones they have aren't that bad. Randy Orton needs more onscreen time I think.

Booker finally got a squash match in the WWE! There's just something about your first time....

Test's match against Christian was fun and not bad, but it needed something more to make it really great, and I think that something needed to come from Test.

I thoroughly enjoyed the Dudleys' revenge on Morley. It just put a smile on my face and was a nice capper to all the shit he put them through. Plus, I hope Morley is still on TV in some sort of wrestling fashion because he impressed me last night even though he got destroyed.

I had actually forgotten about Stiener until he showed up, at which point my reaction was "aww damn!"

There was a little bit too much JR for my taste last night. I also didn't mind the Coach that much. He wasn't great or anything but it was something different.

I really really enjoyed the Jazz/Molly match. I was really involved cheering for Molly, until about halfway through when I realized that they wouldn't job Jazz in her first match back. Still though, Jazz really impressed me, especially with the chain underhook suplexes. Molly always impresses me, and even though she didn't get much defense in, I still thought her selling excellent. I was totally into it when she was sooo close to the ropes and Jazz pulled her back, and she tapped kind of in a resigned way like she just realized she was going to lose and hated it but there was nothing she could do about it. I was totally hoping Trish would come out for the save after the match, but oh well. I hope this means some big shakeup for Molly. I would just be heartbroken if after this they make her disappear again. By the way, did Jazz's outfit remind anyone else of the amazon costumes from Xena? It isn't bad, in fact it kind of fits her "amazon" character. Molly's shirt is ok with me, but it was SO much better last week with the sleeves and the blue color.

Bischoff and McMahon were both great and very entertaining. They each had one of the best lines of the night. Bischoff's "These aren't just lesbians, these are BISEXUAL lesbians." was hilariously stupid. It doesn't even matter that a bisexual lesbian cannot exist, it was just so dumb it became quality entertainment. Vince's "What the hell is JR doing in the parking lot!?" was also great. And Vince busted out the Vince McMahon shuffle! He should register that at the Ministry of Silly Walks or something.



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#54 Posted on
NetHack, I think Trish may be taking time off for commercials and other promotional stuff. After all, we got to see her in Stacker 2 ads last night. Can anyone confirm that is what's going on?

Also, is Victoria really hurt? I think I read that here.

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#55 Posted on

    Booker finally got a squash match in the WWE! There's just something about your first time....

Book squashed Tajiri on Raw way back when he was a heel.



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74

    Originally posted by dMr
    (Jazz) does seem a little confused as to who ... she should be beating on, but her heel character is awesome.


Everybody keeps talking about Jazz' "character". Sorry, but she's playing a monster bull-dyke amazon, which is a cardboard STEREOTYPE, and a bloody dull one at that.

hmm .... let's see .... Her two-dimensional he-woman never smiles, never talks, is always angry and always beats the crap out of the girly (i.e., "real") women. Did I miss any nuance of this heel "character"?

My way of saying I can't stand her either. Jazz' acting and mic skills are worse -- yes, I say WORSE -- than even the infamous J. Gayda, which means there can be no storytelling in the women's division, and that sucks.
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#57 Posted on

    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      Booker finally got a squash match in the WWE! There's just something about your first time....

    Book squashed Tajiri on Raw way back when he was a heel.



Not to mention he squashed the Big Show a few PPVs ago.




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#58 Posted on

    Originally posted by Parts Unknown

      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

        Booker finally got a squash match in the WWE! There's just something about your first time....

      Book squashed Tajiri on Raw way back when he was a heel.



    Not to mention he squashed the Big Show a few PPVs ago.



Oops, I guess I missed those. Well, I've never seen a single pay per view and I didn't watch WWE from about November of 2001 to April 2002 if that's when the Tajiri squash happened.



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#59 Posted on

    Originally posted by shea

      Originally posted by dMr
      (Jazz) does seem a little confused as to who ... she should be beating on, but her heel character is awesome.


    Everybody keeps talking about Jazz' "character". Sorry, but she's playing a monster bull-dyke amazon, which is a cardboard STEREOTYPE, and a bloody dull one at that.

    hmm .... let's see .... Her two-dimensional he-woman never smiles, never talks, is always angry and always beats the crap out of the girly (i.e., "real") women. Did I miss any nuance of this heel "character"?

    My way of saying I can't stand her either. Jazz' acting and mic skills are worse -- yes, I say WORSE -- than even the infamous J. Gayda, which means there can be no storytelling in the women's division, and that sucks.



Oh, no no no. She's been telling people that she's back! Did you happen to see the match last night? Jazz was smiling. She was throwing her arms up into the air. Jazz is getting over. Jazz doesn't need to have the "acting and mic skills" of Miss J. Gayda. She lets her ring work do the talking for her.



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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.44

    Originally posted by DMC
    NetHack, I think Trish may be taking time off for commercials and other promotional stuff. After all, we got to see her in Stacker 2 ads last night. Can anyone confirm that is what's going on?

Those Stacker 2 ads have been going on for a while. I remember, the Bubba ad and the Trish ad appeared on the same night, and it was while Bubba was still getting a singles push. You know, when he was complaining about how tired he was of the "Triple H Show"? When he spray-painted "HHH" on a table, and said that one day Triple H would go through it? Say, now that I think about it, anyone think we'll ever see that table again?
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