Anyone else get the feeling that the WWE is heading in this direction? Back when the Invasion happened, there was talk of letting WCW/ECW win the war and take over Raw. With the Alliance on Monday nights, the then WWF would keep Thursdays as their slot. Vince didn't go through with it, but it was an interesting idea. Flash forward to 2003. The WWE is split, as there are 2 brands now competing against each other. Raw vs. Smackdown. One is run(on screen) by Eric Bischoff, the former head of WCW. The other is run by Stephanie, Vince's daughter. For whatever reason, the Undisputed title was split back into two titles: the World title which is defended on Raw, and the WWE title defended on Smackdown. The World title is the old WCW belt(called the Big Gold Belt by some). The WWE title is the former Undisputed title. Now, as of late Mr. Bischoff has made several changes to Raw that point more and more towards WCW. The movement of the announce position, elimination of almost *every* old WWF/E title, and many former WCW wrestlers on the Raw roster. Next Tuesday(Jan. 14) is the 10th Anniversary of Raw. A one hour special taped from the World in Times Square. Many have speculated that on the anniversary, Eric will take total control and turn it into Nitro. It seemed like a fanboy's dream until a couple days ago when it was reported that Vince is considering giving Eric *total* control over Raw, thus making the brands more distinct. Raw's only male singles title is the World Title. Their tag team belts are the World Tag Team titles. The only title left is the WWE Women's title. More and more, it looks like Raw will truly become Nitro. All that's missing is the name and logos. About the only question is when will it happen? If Vince is truly looking to make each brand more individual, this would be the icing on the cake for Raw. With Smackdown having the WWE title and the WWE Tag Team titles, it looks as though Thursday nights will be the WWE's home. And Mondays will belong to Nitro. Another question is, will it be WWE Nitro, or will they go as far to bring back the WCW name? Maybe even the Invasion logo?
I'd probably be one of only ten people in the world who'd mark out for a new WCW Monday Nitro. Which is why it probably won't happen.
I have noticed that RAW has become more like Nitro, though... actually, this was discussed at length when Bischoff came back, the WCW World Title belt returned, and the announcers got moved. Plus RAW has the five-time, five-time, five-time, five-time, five-time WCW Champion on their roster, now can you dig that sucka?
But I'd be absolutely shocked if WWE went this route and restored the WCW name, changed RAW to Nitro and we had WCW Monday Nitro again. Back in 1997-99, I had butterflies in my stomach every Monday afternoon because Nitro was on my mind. Unfortunately, the WCW name has been pretty well run into the ground by misuse of talent, bad booking, and by Vince McMahon himself. Vince spent years telling WWF fans that WCW sucked, but when he bought the company, he expected everyone to forget everything he'd been saying. Add to that the Booker T-Buff Bagwell fiasco, and it's clear that the Invasion was booked very poorly from the get-go (although before the match started, I was feeling really good as WCW took over RAW for the main event). After that Booker-Bagwell match, it just got really ugly. WCW was never shown to be the equal of the WWF, no matter how many speeches Vince gave saying that “the Alliance is the biggest threat the WWF has ever known”.
Then it all became about Austin, and it got even worse.
So anyway... as much as I wish WCW were still alive today, I think that if RAW became Nitro, Vince couldn't help but fuck it up, just like he fucked up the “can't-miss” Invasion angle.
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Why kill a brand name thats worked for one that went bankrupt? Plus, depending on negotiations with UPN, that could leave the WWE namebrand with only 1 hour of network programming. Had the Invasion not been a disaster, and the WCW name not become a joke, it would seem possible. Now though, all you'll do is confuse some of your fans, and at this point, that would not be good.
I once put together an 800 piece jigsaw puzzle and only had to use 500 pieces.
And, if your going to resurrect something from WCW, I'd rather it be Saturday Night than Nitro. Move the Velocity/Confidential block to 6 pm Eastern, and make it a mixture of B-Level matches and historical footage. The time period has demonstrated in the past to do much better numbers for wrestling than the current time slot, the Saturday Night name was around for much longer than Nitro, and it would have the feel of the old show, with jobbers etc. to go along with classic matches that possibly can attract fans who drifted away in the past two years (alternating between classic WWF/E and Crockett/WCW).
edit: Plus, this could be beneficial to other TNN programming, as you could have an I've Gone Fishing Again show as the lead-in (if you were an NWA fan in the 80's, you know what I mean.)
(edited by redsoxnation on 6.1.03 1147) I once put together an 800 piece jigsaw puzzle and only had to use 500 pieces.
We're not talking the end of the show. It could be as simple as just renaming it "WWE Nitro". Think about it. If Bischoff did it, how much more heat would he get? And the show itself? It wouldn't be killing it off, it'd be renaming. Did the name change from Excess to Confidential do much? Nope. Also, it would differentiate the two brands more, which is the point of the split.
Originally posted by ekedolphinPlus RAW has the five-time, five-time, five-time, five-time, five-time WCW Champion on their roster, now can you dig that sucka?
Y'know, I had the neatest feeling last live RAW that if they wanted a great transition of the title as well as to maximize the usage of Steiner, Steiner could beat HHH for the title. Then - do you remember the last person to defeat Steiner for the title? Just thinking about that possibility made me very, very happy. I CAN dig that, sucka!
This thread has (not surprisingly) got me thinking about the downturn in business lately, tracing it all back to the lack of competition, i.e. WCW and Nitro on Monday nights. While I'm hopeful that NWA: TNA will keep growing and building its audience, is it ever really going to be a legit competitor? Was the boom period of the late 90s due more to the competition from WCW, or was it the fact that that competition stemmed from Nitro and Raw being on the same night?(I always thought WCW was conceding the battle when they changed Nitro from 8:00 - 11:00 to 8:00 - 10:00 on Mondays, giving Raw that last hour unopposed.)
If competition is needed, should it be direct? And are there ever going to be enough viewers to sustain both competitors? If you ask me, the loss of WCW was unavoidable.
On-Topic: Changing from Raw to Nitro: a big risk to the future of WWE's busines. Therefore, they'll probably do it.
Vince hates the Nitro name, so that probably won't happen anytime soon. And naming the brand WCW would be a big mistake. WWE fans generally consider the WCW name with a loser organization. RAW's ratings are scary enough, without naming it after a "loser organization". That'd be death. But, then again, stranger things have happened. We never thought we'd see Bischoff on RAW either.
The biggest story for this title change is Christian losing it, not Orton winning it. Until we see Christian in a pattern of jobbing -- or future endeavored -- I won't panic about this. It has potential. And as said above, so does the rest of the show....