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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
The only information I can find on the Dog Show's rating is that between 2000 and 2004 it averaged a 3.7. And this years ratings were higher than last years Stanley Cup playoffs.
EDIT: 2005 averaged a 3.8 over the two days (6 hours) of coverage.

Last week Raw did a 3.2.
EDITED to fix a mistake due to my misunderstanding of the Nielsen ratings.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 4.4.05 1904)

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
The catch is that because groomed dogs are classy and pro wrestling is for guttersnipe, the revenue they bring in per Nielsen point isn't commensurate. The dog show brings in a ton more, due to being able to have higher ad rates, due to airing in front of a more affluent demographic.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    The only information I can find on the Dog Show's rating is that between 2000 and 2004 it averaged a 3.7. And this years ratings were higher than last years Stanley Cup playoffs.
    EDIT: 2005 averaged a 3.8 over the two days (6 hours) of coverage.

    Last week Raw did a 5.1. The week of 2/7 to 2/13, however (the week before Westminster), it averaged a 3.0 between the two hours.

    (edited by Mr. Boffo on 4.4.05 1827)


Where are you getting your facts from there, Boffo?
Raw hasn't gotten a 5 in three years...

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I don't think they could do anything with SD being involved with SNME until the Viacom deal expires, as that would be putting Viacom's programming on a competing network. Same reasoning could be used for why Velocity isn't in the USA deal, as that is a partial highlight show from a competing network.


So, how exactly did they do the whole USA/UPN deal from 99-2000? Was it because back then it was the WWF as a whole as opposed to the two different brands of now. Someone care to explain...

(edited by Juggalo101 on 4.4.05 1653)


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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/nielsen-more.htm
5.1 million viewers. I thought that a million viewers was roughly one rating point. But apparently I messed that up. NielsenMedia.com says last week's got a 3.2 rating. My bad.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
    Originally posted by Juggalo101
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I don't think they could do anything with SD being involved with SNME until the Viacom deal expires, as that would be putting Viacom's programming on a competing network. Same reasoning could be used for why Velocity isn't in the USA deal, as that is a partial highlight show from a competing network.


So, how exactly did they do the whole USA/UPN deal from 99-2000? Was it because back then it was the WWF as a whole as opposed to the two different brands of now. Someone care to explain...

(edited by Juggalo101 on 4.4.05 1653)






At least in terms of SD and SNME: UPN is a network. True, it is tough to consider it a network, but it is, and Viacom owns that particular network which airs SD. SNME will air on NBC, a network that competes with Viacom's UPN and CBS. It is difficult thus to believe Viacom would allow for SD to use its airtime in order to promote a rival network.
On the tennis moving to NBC instead of bumping RAW: Won't happen, as CBS, a Viacom network, is the network that has the network rights to the U.S. Open.
And, is it a safe guess that one of the SNME will air in February as a replacement for the RAW that will be bumped for the dogs?
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.44
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    And, is it a safe guess that one of the SNME will air in February as a replacement for the RAW that will be bumped for the dogs?
I hate repeating myself because I know I've said this before, but maybe...MAYBE they'll just take the week off? It's not like they have to worry about any competition if they're not on for a week. They used to take weeks off all the time (before Nitro). This would provide the WWE a nice opportunity to schedule a long (lucrative) overseas schedule without worrying about how to shoehorn it in between TV tapings. And I'm sure we've all thought it'd be nice if the writers could get a week off once in a while. And finally, nowhere in that press release do I read the word "exclusive" so reconciling how WWE television can appear on both USA and UPN isn't that hard a thing to do. In short, there's a lot of ass-u-me-ing going around and I don't understand it, but I'm sure that won't stop one of the multi-posters in this thread from making yet another post explaining how the television business works (and showing their total ignorance in the process).



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
Hopefully I won't piss off CRZ...

USA currently airs movies and a 4 hour block of Law & Order on Saturdays. All of which probably does similar numbers to Velocity and is probably 50x easier to sell advertising for.

WWE really had no choice but to take whatever NBC/Universal was willing to give. From the looks of it, they were lucky to get what they did.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.92
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Hopefully I won't piss off CRZ...

    USA currently airs movies and a 4 hour block of Law & Order on Saturdays. All of which probably does similar numbers to Velocity and is probably 50x easier to sell advertising for.

    WWE really had no choice but to take whatever NBC/Universal was willing to give. From the looks of it, they were lucky to get what they did.


Also, keep in mind that half of the WWE programming is still contracted to Viacom/UPN. Spike TV said they didn't want to air WWE programming anymore. There's not a lot of networks that have the space open for WWE programming. USA Network is one of them. UPN is another. Spike TV isn't gonna air anymore WWE (at least for the next three years). UPN hasn't gone on record as saying the same thing.

If they can negotiate an extension for Smackdown's contract on UPN, who's to say they wouldn't be able to negotiate for more?

That said, business is down and I'd imagine that UPN wouldn't want to ADD more programming.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.67
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    What I love about the announcement is that there's no mention of the past problems they had with USA Network and particularly Bonnie Hammer. Not that I expected them to acknowledge that, because it would be awful business to bring that up, but it's not like this will be a bold and innovative move for the company or anything. They left USA five years ago over the way they were being treated.
How were they being treated? What problems did they have with Bonnie Hammer? I don't remember WWE wanting to leave USA because they had a problem with the network, I thought they just wanted the best possible deal they could get for the TV package. Viacom was offering more money, corporate synergy, and no preemptions on TNN. USA was willing to match the money, but couldn't match the rest.

Also, on the notion that WWE was lucky to get what they could from NBC, there's at least one site that's... I don't know if they're reporting it as fact, but passing on a rumor that the deal with USA had been done for a while, but they chose to wait until right after WrestleMania to announce it. And in the meantime, Spike TV put out their statement about Raw to save face on the issue. I don't know if it's any more than a rumor, though. Probably have to wait for the big dogs to weigh in. WOOF WOOF
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
" There's not a lot of networks that have the space open for WWE programming."

Sorry, did USA have two completely dead hours on Monday nights? There's such things as re-scheduling and cancelling shows.

"WWE really had no choice but to take whatever NBC/Universal was willing to give"

What about PPV-only route? Moving overseas? Paying for their programming on other channels? Almost any channel (barring zealous religious channels etc) would pick them up for the right price. You can bet this was a good deal, even if not as good as the previous one. They could even consider scrapping TV and moving to DVD releases only... They had plenty of choice.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.92
    Originally posted by rvjgd
    " There's not a lot of networks that have the space open for WWE programming."

    Sorry, did USA have two completely dead hours on Monday nights? There's such things as re-scheduling and cancelling shows.

    "WWE really had no choice but to take whatever NBC/Universal was willing to give"

    What about PPV-only route? Moving overseas? Paying for their programming on other channels? Almost any channel (barring zealous religious channels etc) would pick them up for the right price. You can bet this was a good deal, even if not as good as the previous one. They could even consider scrapping TV and moving to DVD releases only... They had plenty of choice.


ECW was basically dead-in-the-water when they had PPVs and no TV deal. TNA was considered by some to be bush league when they had PPVs and no TV deal. As is there's a lot of shit on WWE PPVs and people have a hard time paying for it sometimes. Do you really think they'd take a step backwards and think people would PAY to see RAW or Smackdown weekly?



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.02
That was just one of the options available that I mentioned. My main point was that there were other choices than NBC/ Universal. Even bankruptcy is a legitimate option for a plc.
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