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#81 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.27
I just caught up on the Broadus and Jericho segments. Broadus displayed more charisma in that minute match than most of the wrestlers in WWE today. I really liked him calling his spots and the talking through the match. He had me cracking up.

Now, the Jericho segment was brilliant. Had I been watching live, I might have been expecting more, but knowing what was going to happen made it better. Every little nuance was amazing. It reminds me of when JBL came back from announcing to fight Jericho and had the most over the top celebration I'd ever seen. It was magnificent.



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#82 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.83
The ratings the last few weeks haven't been fantastic, and I imagine there's probably going to be some scapegoats soon. Ryder's segment apparently bombed, but you'd think they'd realize cheesy horror movie scene w/ Eve probably wouldn't go over too well.

But they probably don't think that, so they'll just blame Ryder and drop him back down the card. Ditto Bryan, despite that his new semi-heel character is one of the best things in the WWE.

Of course, it doesn't help when the people they're trying to elevate have been buried by the play-by-play man for the last year.
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#83 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.08
I want to know at what point they are going to blame the obvious. No one cares about Cena/Kane. They started and ended the show plus their story ties directly into Ryder now. The ratings are down for a variety of reasons, but its mainly due to them going against the bowl games and some of the better MNF games of the season. They are going to scapegoat Ryder even though its pretty clear they have fucked Kane's masked return as well as the Cena heel turn. Muddying the waters with Kane's stupid promo this week as well as trying to make Cena into the slayer of monsters. He is so ill-equipped for that role, its not even funny.

(edited by lotjx on 12.1.12 0746)


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#84 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.83
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I want to know at what point they are going to blame the obvious. No one cares about Cena/Kane. They started and ended the show plus their story ties directly into Ryder now. The ratings are down for a variety of reasons, but its mainly due to them going against the bowl games and some of the better MNF games of the season. They are going to scapegoat Ryder even though its pretty clear they have fucked Kane's masked return as well as the Cena heel turn. Muddying the waters with Kane's stupid promo this week as well as trying to make Cena into the slayer of monsters. He is so ill-equipped for that role, its not even funny.

    (edited by lotjx on 12.1.12 0746)


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#85 Posted on
Except for the fact that the quarter hour ratings show that the Cena/Kane segments were the highest of the night



In the segment-by-segment, it was the bad pattern where the highest rated segment was first quarter with the John Cena in-ring and Kane on the tron which did a 3.36 rating. Cody Rhodes vs. Daniel Bryan lost 332,000 viewers. Yep, World champ vs. IC champ and people tuned out. Wade Barrett vs. Santino Marella and the Sheamus/Miz brawl gained 240,000 viewers. A bunch of backstage stuff (Dolph Ziggler interview; Zack Ryder, Eve Torres, Jack Swagger, John Laurinaitis and C.M. Punk) lost 431,000 viewers.

Punk vs. Ziggler for the WWE title in the 10 p.m. segment gained 180,000 viewers which is bad for that segment. The return of Chris Jericho lost 82,000 viewers. The Cena & Zack Ryder & Big Show vs. Mark Henry & Swagger 3-on-2 elimination match and show ending angle with Cena, Kane and Ryder gained 383,000 viewers, weak for the overrun, doing a 3.33 rating. Main event saw Male teens go from 2.5 to 2.8, Male 18-49 from 2.9 to 3.3, Women teens from 0.9 to 1.0 and Women 18-49 stayed at 1.1.



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#86 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
That's last week's ratings.

    Originally posted by Dave Meltzer
    In the segment-by-segment, Sheamus & Santino Marella vs. Wade Barrett & Jinder Mahal lost 238,000 viewers. Edge Hall of Fame package, Zack Ryder and Eve Torres backstage and Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston gained 100,000 viewers. The debut of Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins plus Miz trying to recruit Primo & Epico lost 82,000 viewers. C.M. Punk vs. Jack Swagger gained 128,000 viewers and did a 3.00 rating in the 10 p.m. slot, which is terrible for the slot. Backstage stuff with Bellas and Miz and Ricardo Rodriguez, Cena and Ryder and the Four Horsemen vignette lost 193,000 viewers, which is actually much better than that segment usually does. The segment with R-Truth beating on Rodriguez and the Miz/R-Truth brawl, plus the second appearance of the mute Chris Jericho lost 130,000 viewers. Okay, this is something that is noteworthy. Eve Torres in the ring, Kane’s music hitting, Ryder trying to save her, getting her in the car and trying to change the tire lost 544,000 viewers and did a 2.39 quarter. To lose that many viewers that late in the show before the main event is something significant. And John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the conclusion of that segment gained 640,000 viewers, which is normal level, but it still was only a 2.84 overrun, which is the second lowest overrun figure (even the show that did a 2.71 in September hit 3.03 for the overrun), behind only the week they did Punk & Bryan & Ziggler in the trios match, dating back to 1997.




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#87 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
Here is a question - does ANYONE here watch RAW like that? Tuning in and out throughout the show based on Eve or Zack Ryder? I can understand if you're flipping back and forth to a football game or something, but I can't believe that many people watch the show on such a roller coaster. I generally stick with the entire show... If I'm watching it pre-recorded and can skip past, say a Mason Ryan squash or something, that's a different story.

Then again, I still can't believe those History channel pawn/pickers shows are now RAW's biggest ratings competition...



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#88 Posted on
You're right, my bad. Here's the breakdown from this weeks's show



In the segment-by-segment, Sheamus & Santino Marella vs. Wade Barrett & Jinder Mahal lost 238,000 viewers. Edge Hall of Fame package, Zack Ryder and Eve Torres backstage and Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston gained 100,000 viewers.

The debut of Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins plus Miz trying to recruit Primo & Epico lost 82,000 viewers. C.M. Punk vs. Jack Swagger gained 128,000 viewers and did a 3.00 rating in the 10 p.m. slot, which is terrible for the slot. Backstage stuff with Bellas and Miz and Ricardo Rodriguez, Cena and Ryder and the Four Horsemen vignette lost 193,000 viewers, which is actually much better than that segment usually does. The segment with R-Truth beating on Rodriguez and the Miz/R-Truth brawl, plus the second appearance of the mute Chris Jericho lost 130,000 viewers. Okay, this is something that is noteworthy.

Eve Torres in the ring, Kane’s music hitting, Ryder trying to save her, getting her in the car and trying to change the tire lost 544,000 viewers and did a 2.39 quarter. To lose that many viewers that late in the show before the main event is something significant. And John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the conclusion of that segment gained 640,000 viewers, which is normal level, but it still was only a 2.84 overrun, which is the second lowest overrun figure (even the show that did a 2.71 in September hit 3.03 for the overrun), behind only the week they did Punk & Bryan & Ziggler in the trios match, dating back to 1997.



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#89 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    I generally stick with the entire show... If I'm watching it pre-recorded and can skip past


I tend to watch online, and when something like Ryder changing a tyre appears i think "This is going to take a while" and start reading an article or something while it's on in the background. I could completely understand if someone watching live flipped over for 5-10 minutes to see if there was anything on that didn't involve a woman in a car constantly repeating unconvincing cries of help.

Is it too much to assume that WWE would compare the ratings from Ryder/Kane/Cena's usual appearances to those appearances which involve terrible writing, and then blame the writers rather than the performers?
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#90 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.20
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    Here is a question - does ANYONE here watch RAW like that? Tuning in and out throughout the show based on Eve or Zack Ryder? I can understand if you're flipping back and forth to a football game or something, but I can't believe that many people watch the show on such a roller coaster. I generally stick with the entire show... If I'm watching it pre-recorded and can skip past, say a Mason Ryan squash or something, that's a different story.

    Then again, I still can't believe those History channel pawn/pickers shows are now RAW's biggest ratings competition...


The jump they get in the middle of the show is from people who were watching something else, and then when their show ended the channel flip around. Some find what RAW is doing there (usually a midshow "main event") interesting and stick around.

The overrun always gains a crapload of people (unless Punk and Bryan are in the main event apparently) because of people tuning in just to watch the next show.

There are also people who flip between a couple different shows. When they see the tv screen filled with wrestlers that Cole has spent the last 2 years instructing us to see them as useless losers, say to themselves "it's the useless losers on tv now, screw this" and flip back.

Cena's last segment gained people, but overall it looks like as the show went on, people just said "this whole thing is stupid" and tuned out. Even the segments with Cena that did well, didn't do all that well. There was a definite pattern of fans giving up on this show (and it's overall Cena/Kane arc) within the 2 hours.


    Originally posted by 2P4E
    Is it too much to assume that WWE would compare the ratings from Ryder/Kane/Cena's usual appearances to those appearances which involve terrible writing, and then blame the writers rather than the performers?


The WWE is Vince McMahon and Triple H.

Vince McMahon is never going to blame 1) Himself, and 2) his daughter for the show sucking.

Triple H is never going to blame 1) His father in law, and 2) His wife for the show sucking.

And therein lies the majority of their problems over the last 10 years.

(edited by Tribal Prophet on 12.1.12 1210)
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#91 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by geemoney

    - Time for the announcement for the next inductee into the 2012 WWE Hall-of-Fame: The Four Horsemen. That’s interesting. I know Arn had been rumored for a while. Looks like it’ll be Arn, Tully Blanchard, Barry Windham, and JJ Dillon. They gotta have Ric Flair for this, right? Flair was shown in the graphic along with the other four, anyway.


They just announced the final Raw before WM is in Hotlanta:

"The WWE Raw Supershow on Monday, March 26th, 2012 will be held at the Philips Arena in Atlanta, Georgia."

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/64911/the-final-raw-before-wrestlemania-will-take-place-at.html?p=1

Horsemen, anyone?
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#92 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.29
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    The overrun always gains a crapload of people (unless Punk and Bryan are in the main event apparently) because of people tuning in just to watch the next show.


Or is it people like me who tune in to catch the main event, because that's what moves the show forward?
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#93 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.20
    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
      Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      The overrun always gains a crapload of people (unless Punk and Bryan are in the main event apparently) because of people tuning in just to watch the next show.


    Or is it people like me who tune in to catch the main event, because that's what moves the show forward?


It's possible that affects it to some degree.

Before the overrun trick was started though, main events didn't bring in huge increases like they did once they started carrying over into the next hour.

It's a false increase in viewers that Vince used to complain about "Ted" doing until he just decided to do it himself.
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#94 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.92
Top of the hour ratings are always gonna be high because that is when people are flipping the channel over from what they were watching. The 10pm rating boost comes from people switching over to USA after watching something on another channel, the same thing happens at 11pm and so on.



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#95 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
    Originally posted by The King of Keith
    I just caught up on the Broadus and Jericho segments. Broadus displayed more charisma in that minute match than most of the wrestlers in WWE today. I really liked him calling his spots and the talking through the match. He had me cracking up.


Next week, Broadus Clay teams up with Tim Teabow (under the expert guidance of Rice Flair) as Extraneous Vowels run wild on the tag division.





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#96 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.97
    Originally posted by drjayphd
      Originally posted by The King of Keith
      I just caught up on the Broadus and Jericho segments. Broadus displayed more charisma in that minute match than most of the wrestlers in WWE today. I really liked him calling his spots and the talking through the match. He had me cracking up.


    Next week, Broadus Clay teams up with Tim Teabow (under the expert guidance of Rice Flair) as Extraneous Vowels run wild on the tag division.


Even with the italics for emphasis, some people aren't going to get that. *looks at lotjx*



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#97 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
OK, OK, lotjx can't spell "Tebow." We get it. Let's all please try to move on.



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#98 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
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#99 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
    Originally posted by drjayphd


    Next week, Broadus Clay teams up with Tim Teabow ...


So much for Brodus being a baby face...



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#100 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    It's funny that John is always on his phone, ostensibly tweeting throughout the show, but it's for sure some 25 year old writing staff gofer.


Has anyone figured out if Big Johnny tapping on his phone during Raw, matches up with new posts for the RawGM twitter? From the prior storyline, I think I fell into the habit of thinking that he was carrying on some ongoing text conversation with Nash, or later whoever the "higher power" behind the Punk story arc is. (A story which doesn't appear to be going anywhere, now that I stop and think about it.)

As far as watching the show goes, when I watch I'll watch through the whole thing - if there's a sports event I have to see, Raw gets recorded. I can see where you'd use segment-to-segment ratings to figure out what's working in general.. but I don't see how changing things up week-to-week is going to tell you much. It's like pulling new TV series off the air after one or two episodes. If you have any faith in the creative people, don't you have to give something new a little more time to see if there's an audience?



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