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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    I am saddened by the lack of acknowlegment for the return of the clangy pipes.
Well, they only went 1 for 3 on clangy pipes (two chances at the end of the show where they had been stood back up, but Kane didn't throw Ryder OR Cena into them).

I too thought Lawler was going to go there with his commentary.

One minor correction for geemoney:

    Zack Ryder gave himself a pep talk in the bathroom while brushing his teeth. He turned around real quick, apparently thinking there was someone behind him (there was! A cameraman!). He left in a huff anyway.
Kane WAS in the mirror for a blink here.



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.80
    Originally posted by CRZ

    One minor correction for geemoney:

      Zack Ryder gave himself a pep talk in the bathroom while brushing his teeth. He turned around real quick, apparently thinking there was someone behind him (there was! A cameraman!). He left in a huff anyway.
    Kane WAS in the mirror for a blink here.


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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
So the biggest thing to happen last night was Brodus F'n Clay?



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.64
    Originally posted by Lexus
    So the biggest thing to happen last night was Brodus F'n Clay?


Ryder may be dead, but no one seems that concerned.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
One thing I haven't seen addressed -- was the pinfall in the Punk-Swagger match supposed to happen like that, or did the ref screw up? Punk looked annoyed, but then they showed the replay a few times -- and according to the "if it's on TV, it's a work" rule, that means it was planned.

I really hope this isn't a means to introducing Instant Replay to WWE programming.
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    One thing I haven't seen addressed -- was the pinfall in the Punk-Swagger match supposed to happen like that, or did the ref screw up? Punk looked annoyed, but then they showed the replay a few times -- and according to the "if it's on TV, it's a work" rule, that means it was planned.

    I really hope this isn't a means to introducing Instant Replay to WWE programming.
The ref screwed up. It was funny they that took the most blatant replay of Swagger staring at the count so he could make a dramatic kickout (right into the anaconda vince, it appeared). Then, they did it again just to rub it in!

We anxiously await announcement of well wishes for Jack Doan's future endeavours. (That said, it was a nice cover by whoever was feeding Cole lines to use it to talk about what a great official Big Johnny will be.)

(edited by CRZ on 10.1.12 1454)

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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.77
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
      One thing I haven't seen addressed -- was the pinfall in the Punk-Swagger match supposed to happen like that, or did the ref screw up? Punk looked annoyed, but then they showed the replay a few times -- and according to the "if it's on TV, it's a work" rule, that means it was planned.

      I really hope this isn't a means to introducing Instant Replay to WWE programming.
    The ref screwed up. It was funny they that took the most blatant replay of Swagger staring at the count so he could make a dramatic kickout (right into the anaconda vince, it appeared).

    We anxiously await announcement of well wishes for Jack Doan's future endeavours. (That said, it was a nice cover by whoever was feeding Cole lines to use it to talk about what a great official Big Johnny will be.)


I wonder if Punk was supposed to win with the anaconda -- the way they'd been building a long match, I think it was more likely that the finish would've had more back and forth highspots, probably with Ziggler doing something and Laurinaitis "objectively" stopping him. Funny to see three people on the outside who had more parts to play all adjust on the fly, and Punk to have to catch himself and be happy that he had successfully pinned his opponent.

    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    Having Flair there for the Four Horsemen ceremony would only bigfoot the moment for the others. Even if he attends just to stand there, the live crowd won't go for it, I think.


I don't think you could do it without him or else the very proactive HOF crowd who've never been in public before would just Woo and "We Want Flair" over it.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    I am not thrilled about the Bryan heel turn if it is that. Yet, he has shown a lot more personality during this, so I am sorta ok with it.


I think there was a lot of unused potential in an underdog babyface Bryan achieving his dreams, but I think the turn is the best thing for his career and bank account right now. They'd ruined him as a face and being a heel means he has a path to Wrestlemania, a match with Orton, and a big check. You figure he'll outsmart Mark Henry and Big Show in a threeway at the Rumble after they knock each other out. Then he goes to Elimination Chamber, where they have the option of going back to Mark Henry if that's really the champion and match they wanted all along. But if Bryan does well between now and then, he could end up with the spot. The celebration of Bryan surviving the Chamber with his "1 in 6 odds" through opportunistic sneakiness would be a joyous sight.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    My wife the Jericho fan thinks its annoying at this point.


With all due respect to mrs. lotjxy, Jericho is trying to annoy her.


    Jericho trolling the crowd can work for maybe one more week if that then he needs to say something or someone needs to interrupt him.


I dunno, if he doesn't say anything until they stop cheering him, it might be a while.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.22
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    One thing I haven't seen addressed -- was the pinfall in the Punk-Swagger match supposed to happen like that, or did the ref screw up?


Nope, it was the intended finish. Announcers were way too quick to make an angle on it. The reason for the finish, it left viewers in suspense for a minute rather if Johnny Ace would restart the match or not.
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      Originally posted by TheOldMan
      Having Flair there for the Four Horsemen ceremony would only bigfoot the moment for the others. Even if he attends just to stand there, the live crowd won't go for it, I think.


    I don't think you could do it without him or else the very proactive HOF crowd who've never been in public before would just Woo and "We Want Flair" over it.


Inducting The Four Horsemen without Ric Flair would be like trying to do Hamlet without Hamlet. The idea of inducting Flair twice is pretty amazing, all things considered*. PLUS the presence of Flair absolutely positively guarantees my very favorite thing about spectacles like the Hall of Fame: wrestlers crying**. The second Flair hits that stage with the Horsemen, here come the waterworks.

Even Edge thinks the Hall of Fame induction is a little soon, but so what. It's fitting. Edge is the ultimate opportunist and the very first opportunity post retirement to get in the Hall of Fame, Edge gets in. I'd expect nothing less from the Rated R Superstar.

*I can't believe I'll have been in the Hall of Fame audience live for both of Ric Flair's inductions. I hope they play Leave the Memories Alone! (youtu.be) again.

**Incidentally, the Jericho segment was my favorite this week. "WHY? WHY?"

(edited by John Orquiola on 10.1.12 1410)


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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I wonder if Punk was supposed to win with the anaconda -- the way they'd been building a long match, I think it was more likely that the finish would've had more back and forth highspots, probably with Ziggler doing something and Laurinaitis "objectively" stopping him. Funny to see three people on the outside who had more parts to play all adjust on the fly, and Punk to have to catch himself and be happy that he had successfully pinned his opponent.
That was the other thing - Vickie and Dolph had taken residence on opposite sides of the ring and Vickie had already feinted climbing the steps once to distract The Official and/or Mr. JL.
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    Nope, it was the intended finish. Announcers were way too quick to make an angle on it. The reason for the finish, it left viewers in suspense for a minute rather if Johnny Ace would restart the match or not.
Well. I guess you can believe me or Justin or shawnpatrick.



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro


    I don't think you could do it without him or else the very proactive HOF crowd who've never been in public before would just Woo and "We Want Flair" over it.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      I wonder if Punk was supposed to win with the anaconda -- the way they'd been building a long match, I think it was more likely that the finish would've had more back and forth highspots, probably with Ziggler doing something and Laurinaitis "objectively" stopping him. Funny to see three people on the outside who had more parts to play all adjust on the fly, and Punk to have to catch himself and be happy that he had successfully pinned his opponent.
    That was the other thing - Vickie and Dolph had taken residence on opposite sides of the ring and Vickie had already feinted climbing the steps once to distract The Official and/or Mr. JL.
      Originally posted by shawnpatrick
      Nope, it was the intended finish. Announcers were way too quick to make an angle on it. The reason for the finish, it left viewers in suspense for a minute rather if Johnny Ace would restart the match or not.
    Well. I guess you can believe me or Justin or shawnpatrick.


Well, if the result gets overturned by replay on Monday, I think we'll know it wasn't supposed to go down that way. Personally, I assumed the match was a foregone conclusion with the added stip. I didn't think there'd be any way they'd remove Swagger and Vicki from ringside at the Rumble. Perhaps they'll adjust on the fly and say "In the interest of fairness, we'll remove *one* of them"?
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.46
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    I am saddened by the lack of acknowlegment for the return of the clangy pipes.


Not only did they return, but somebody stood them back up after being strewn about in the first backstage brawl.

Edit: CRZ got there first


... and am I not paying close enough attention or have I not seen Black Ref or Little Guido reffing on Raw lately?



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 10.1.12 1659)
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
      I am saddened by the lack of acknowlegment for the return of the clangy pipes.


    Not only did they return, but somebody stood them back up after being strewn about in the first backstage brawl.




Oh, completely forgot that I meant to comment on the poor job the stunt people and/or camera people did of setting up that Ryder fall. They either put way too many cushions there or took a poor camera angle (or a combination of both). No way we should have been able to see Zach's legs bounce up like that from that angle on a "real" fall.
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.64
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    ... and am I not paying close enough attention or have I not seen Black Ref or Little Guido reffing on Raw lately?



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    Ref Justin King is having undisclosed surgery in a few weeks and is expected out of action for several months. We’re just told the surgery is not related to any injuries on the job.


Guido was let go, around the time someone else came back from injury.



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.08
So, Jericho's job is to annoy people that they demand to have the channel turned as well as the entire show to be turned off? I think this is going to backfire like Save Us did.



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
What a glorious edition of Raw is Wrestlecrap! ;/

Like last week and the week before, I hated everything involving Kane, Cena and Ryder. I also did not enjoy the Jericho-thingy that much. And no comment as far as the Funkasaurus is concerned.

I think, I only enjoyed the Daniel Bryan segment and that lasted how long, three minutes?

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#58 Posted on
I feel fairly confident the finish of Punk/Swagger was intended to be fubar'ed like it was. As was pointed out by shawnpatrick, the announcers quickly made a big deal of it -- showing replays multiple times, the works. You wouldn't do that on a botch (though it probably won't stop it from showing up in a future episode of Botchamania).

I think it was just angle advancement. Cole had a line shortly after that was something like: "This is why we need Big Johnny guest reffing the WWE Title match, so mistakes like that can't happen." I'm sure Ace will come out next week and say something similar. Doubtful they'd have him overturn the decision either. He wants to lull Punk into a false sense of security so *he* can be the one to screw Punk out of the belt, not Vickie or Swag.

Or maybe I'm thinking about it too much.

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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely

      Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
      I am saddened by the lack of acknowlegment for the return of the clangy pipes.
    There was a pause when Cena was first thrown into them where I thought, for a brief second, Lawler was going to actually ID them as "clangy pipes". Is this the first time we've seen them outside in the wild as opposed to their normal habitat of arena hallways?


I can't remember anything specific, but I'm SURE there had to have been some outside clangy pipes back in the heyday of the Hardcore Championship. Oh, the days of Steve Blackman and Crash flopping around on clangy pipes. Good times, indeed.
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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
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