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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.97
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    FWIW, I think that 90% of the IWC is sick of Cena the gimmick, no Cena the performer. I don't even care if the guy stays face if he would just stop with the blatant fan ass kissing.


This.

I hate Cena being Cena the PG-rated Fruity Pebble doofus. Cena keeping it super-serious...I can buy that. Sometimes Cena give me a glimpse of the character I'd like him to be but he always reverts back to the ass-kisser I hate.



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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.76
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      FWIW, I think that 90% of the IWC is sick of Cena the gimmick, no Cena the performer. I don't even care if the guy stays face if he would just stop with the blatant fan ass kissing.


    This.

    I hate Cena being Cena the PG-rated Fruity Pebble doofus. Cena keeping it super-serious...I can buy that. Sometimes Cena give me a glimpse of the character I'd like him to be but he always reverts back to the ass-kisser I hate.


I'm only one man, but John Cena turning heel and reeeeeally putting everything he's got into being a despicable bastard would make me watch WWE again.



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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by samoflange
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
        Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
        FWIW, I think that 90% of the IWC is sick of Cena the gimmick, no Cena the performer. I don't even care if the guy stays face if he would just stop with the blatant fan ass kissing.


      This.

      I hate Cena being Cena the PG-rated Fruity Pebble doofus. Cena keeping it super-serious...I can buy that. Sometimes Cena give me a glimpse of the character I'd like him to be but he always reverts back to the ass-kisser I hate.


    I'm only one man, but John Cena turning heel and reeeeeally putting everything he's got into being a despicable bastard would make me watch WWE again.


The Cena heel turn is a bomb they need to detonate when they REALLY need a good storyline. Right now, they have the Rock and Punks stuff to get through the year. Cena has been Hulk Hogan so long now, that every month he stays face, the more powerful the heel turn will be.
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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.27
Punk is speaking for us.
Triple H makes all his decisions for us.
John Cena just does it all for us.

I feel like we are in the middle of a custody battle. Three Christmases?

We can all agree that the Smackdown Title now holds the value of the IC Title in the 80's right?

I really dug R-Truth and The Miz last night. Heel Truth not acting a fool is a really solid character.

I'm not sure what to make of Alberto Del Rio right now, the man needs another layer added to his character, mabye even a different entrance.

Vickie doesn't look very healthy these days, of course the King is feeling it.

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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.28
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

    We can all agree that the Smackdown Title now holds the value of the IC Title in the 80's right?








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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    ...Punk...did the Hunter-Hearst Helmsley bow and called him by that name.


No love for this!? That was GENIUS.

All the promos Monday night felt a little Nitro-esque...except that all of 'em accomplished clear goals in character development.

Definitely gave this HHH-ified Raw a different feeling than shows past.





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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    We can all agree that the Smackdown Title now holds the value of the IC Title in the 80's right?


It feels more like the Big Gold Belt in 1993...which is funny considering it IS the Big Gold Belt!

(edited by It's False on 2.8.11 2345)



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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.57
    Originally posted by geemoney
    He said he was dressed like a poor man’s Conan


I took it as him referring to Conan (Barbarian/Destroyer) and not Conan (O'Brien) and that ridiculous pre-entrance entrance costume he wore at WrestleMania. What was that anyway? I know they might start (or have already started) a comic based on that "character" (In the distance... the opening bars of "For Whom The Bell Tolls" can be heard... on the battlefield... a warrior suddenly appears, surrounded by lesser-warriors with shields and spears...) but was that really the most opportune time to introduce something like that? Is there an opportune time to introduce something like that?

(edited by Stefonics on 3.8.11 0628)
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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.76
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    The Cena heel turn is a bomb they need to detonate when they REALLY need a good storyline. Right now, they have the Rock and Punks stuff to get through the year. Cena has been Hulk Hogan so long now, that every month he stays face, the more powerful the heel turn will be.


For the purposes of creating interesting stories, I completely disagree. Holding onto the Cena heel turn until there's nothing better to do is a waste of potential. Something like that has got to explode in a big way. That's what gets people paying attention. Doling out interesting bits here and there gets people mildly invested, but doing the Cena heel turn amid the already popular CM Punk story and the looming presence of The Rock (who everybody wants to cheer and rightly so) fits in perfectly.

Cena being a babyface though all this gets in the way and muddies up the waters. But Cena being a heel through all this strengthens the storylines. As fun as Cena's patented 'mixed reactions' are sometimes, truly successful pro wrestling stories need to involve clearer lines between good and evil. CM Punk and Rock being on the evil side is boring. Now's the time for John Cena to be an asshole to all fans, not just 20-80% of them depending on the city.



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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
I disagree, strongly. Face Cena works in this context, because of who Cena is established as being. He's an honourable guy. And the Punk/Cena dichotomy works with Cena staying face, as does the Cena/Rock dichotomy. Turning him at this juncture would a)reduce the Punk character, as he would be playing babyface against a standard wrestling heel and thus be less edgy, and b)would once again leave Raw as a brand with one main event face and too many heels to count. I don't think it enriches the story - it reduces Cena from "conflicted hero" to "slimy heel" - and it doesn't do anything business-wise at this point.
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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Stefonics
      Originally posted by geemoney
      He said he was dressed like a poor man’s Conan


    I took it as him referring to Conan (Barbarian/Destroyer) and not Conan (O'Brien) and that ridiculous pre-entrance entrance costume he wore at WrestleMania. (edited by Stefonics on 3.8.11 0628)


I took it as a knock on Terra Ryzing. I tried to find a pic of his WCW entrance getup, and got nothing. Didn't he wear some stupid shield type shit for that entrance?
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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
It really can't be said enough, Cena's character is predicated on the fact that kids buy merch (or at least their parents buy it for them), and they buy more of Cena's merch than anybody else by far. Rey Mysterio, who actively works the crowd to sell his masks, is still the distant number two, and Cena doesn't do anything except wear his new stuff down to ringside. Turning Cena would make for a good storyline, but it would really be killing the goose that lays the red, purple, and orange eggs. Until his merch sales start to drop significantly, there is no way they turn him.
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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Until his merch sales start to drop significantly, there is no way they turn him.


After a Cena heel turn, I can see a midcarder (Evan, mayhap) start a "Cena, Come Back" campaign and wear Cena merchandise to prove how much the fans love him. This would get the hopefuls to also bedeck themselves in Cena gear to persuade him to renounce his evil ways.



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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      Until his merch sales start to drop significantly, there is no way they turn him.


    After a Cena heel turn, I can see a midcarder (Evan, mayhap) start a "Cena, Come Back" campaign and wear Cena merchandise to prove how much the fans love him. This would get the hopefuls to also bedeck themselves in Cena gear to persuade him to renounce his evil ways.


Not a bad idea, actually, but it's still a gamble vs. a sure thing.
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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Cena is established as being...an honourable guy.


Unless you're a gay. Or an overweight woman who dares to leave the house. Or Michael Tarver.

Anyway, I have to agree with the "can't turn Cena now" camp. For every successful heel turn of the last thrity-odd years, you always, always had factors that aren't in place for Cena in 2011. The most important of these would be a nearly-as-or-more-popular babyface to take that spot. Andre had already been long supplanted by Hogan before his 1987 turn, as were Bret and later Shawn by Steve Austin for their '97 turns. Hogan was never as popular in most WCW tour stops as Sting was, and in fact those markets had been conditioned by the NWA for years to hate Hogan, so that one was a 1996 no-brainer. Less successful turns (Austin's, Undertaker's, and Sting's) lacked this key factor. Who replaces Cena? I think Punk's doing great but it's really ambitious at this juncture to suggest he'd be a lock to draw the same amount of money Cena does for them now.





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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
Hahaha, Michael Tarver. He was just standin' around, trying to get on camera, and Cena VICIOUSLY BEAT HIM.

I love that he's already gone to the Kurt Angle-patented "my Facebook was hacked!" excuse.
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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.34
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    It really can't be said enough, Cena's character is predicated on the fact that kids buy merch (or at least their parents buy it for them), and they buy more of Cena's merch than anybody else by far. Rey Mysterio, who actively works the crowd to sell his masks, is still the distant number two, and Cena doesn't do anything except wear his new stuff down to ringside. Turning Cena would make for a good storyline, but it would really be killing the goose that lays the red, purple, and orange eggs. Until his merch sales start to drop significantly, there is no way they turn him.

We all know heels can't move merch (cdn.bleacherreport.net)



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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.09
    Originally posted by spf

    We all know heels that aren't cool heels or tweeners can't move merch


FTFY.

(edited by CEOIII on 3.8.11 1303)


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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Stefonics
      Originally posted by geemoney
      He said he was dressed like a poor man’s Conan


    I took it as him referring to Conan (Barbarian/Destroyer) and not Conan (O'Brien)


When I was transcribing it, I almost typed Konnan...then I realized he was probably talking about the Barbarian. Him talking about Conan O'Brien didn't even pop into my head at the time.



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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
I think that the very earliest they should pull the trigger on a Cena turn is Mania because he will get booed out of the building and it will give him a great excuse. Especially if Rock keeps acting like a dick and isn't on TV. Cena can come out and say, "He doesn't give a shit about the WWE Universe and you love him. I've done everything you ever wanted and still get Cena Sucks chants in every town."

But while he is a face they can still make him more tolerable. Less kissing up to the fans, more trash talk. And get the guy some decent merchandise! The Red shirt is a VAST improvement over the orange and purple, but what about that SWEET shirt he had that had the 8-Bit NES Pro Wrestling theme? That is the type of stuff he needs to be wearing.
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