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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
Gotta admire HHH's ability to convince everyone that he's going to destroy the business with a hand gesture that he's been making for years.

Why exactly would a guy who's the boss of the company show any serious fear of Punk at this stage?
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    The way the Alex Riley and Dolph Ziggler segment should have gone:

    Riley: "Drop her. Let ME carry your bags!"
That seems less of a The W idea and more of a slashwrestling idea...



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Why exactly would a guy who's the boss of the company show any serious fear of Punk at this stage?


Oh, perhaps because they fear what happened at MitB just three weeks ago would happen again eventually? Yes, Punk re-signed and all that, but he is clearly willing to rip on WWE and Raw. Fear isn't the right word, but I would think that the new guy in charge wouldn't be so flippant about his top guy and his threats, especially as HHH is in his first month of his new position. This seems like a serious situation, not one to take lightly.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
But it's HHH. Suddenly turning into a kowtowing suit would be the antithesis of everything established about the guy over the last ten years. And I don't see how he's not taking him seriously. Because he made a hand gesture? Come on. He responded to Punk in kind, which is exactly what HHH should do until the ante gets upped.

It's weird - everywhere else is saying how tremendous they thought that segment was in establishing the dichotomy between Punk and HHH. Only here have I seen people proclaiming that HHH wasn't serious enough and he's already out to bury the angle. Like, there's no way HHH plays the face longterm in this.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.46
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Like, there's no way HHH plays the face longterm in this.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is leading to a heel turn from HHH in the not too distant future. And not to cocky-not-give-a-fucky heel. Proper angry how-dare-you-screw-with-me heel.

Punk messed with his pops (in-law)! And insulted his wife! And called him a doofus! That's really rude.

I'm willing to be proven wrong by the passage of time but I think we're headed towards anti-establishment Punk playing face to HHH authoritarian heel, with Punk ultimately besting him.

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.83
The IWC and probably a lot of smarks out there have no desire or reason to trust HHH to do the right thing. They are also not wrong. There is a ton of evidence of HHH holding people down or manipulating storylines for him to come out on top. Also depends on what website you go to, if its Rajah those people are just going to agree with whatever Cewsh says. That can be said of a lot of internet forums not just wrestling. I like to think this forum has a lot less sheep and also a tad bit smarter then most wrestling forums. The debates here don't rely on "Your momma" or gay jokes to prove their two sentence points.

I am going to reserve judgement on HHH in this role til after SummerSlam. Right now its about kid friendly Cena vs. IWC Punk which should be interesting. My complaint with COOHHH is he needs a trigger to set him off. If its not his wife, past wrestling history or friends then what is it going to be? It was pretty simple for Austin to get under Vince's skin. If Punk can't get under Hunter's skin then there is a giant problem.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
"Hunter, you've become everything you've hated, everything you've fought against over the years. You're now not just a part of the establishment, you ARE the establishment. You have become 'the Man'!

"Then again, we shouldn't be shocked. Eventually DX became a parody of itself, just another part of the corporate machine designed to sell merchandise and appease the suits. The suits, who wear suits much like the one you have on right now.

"So here we are Hunter. You can say whatever you want about 'doing the right thing' and make threats, but you can't back them up. Not anytime soon. Not any more. You're done".

Pick someone, anyone, to say something like this and Triple H will probably not like it too much.


Decent RAW. I'm digging Corporation H for now, and if the newz sites are to be believed then Punk, Triple H, and Vince are working together on this. To me, that means Punk has some say and the storyline will play out in a way that satisfies him.

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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.24

I liked the perfect placement of those four fans holding the "YOU GON GET GOT" signs up while Morrison was... well, gettin' got by R-Truth and The Miz. Not sure I'd have had R-Truth and Morrison in the ring together until SummerSlam, but we'll see where it goes.

Was the announcement of a Cena/Punk rematch such a roaring shock that we had to announce it at the end of the show? Why not announce it at the beginning of the show? As Juggalo said, "That was so predictable it was almost unpredictable." Announce it at the beginning of the show, and in the meantime book Cena and Punk into matches for the night.

Having Ryder team up with Santino against McGillicutty and Otunga actually makes sense, seeing as how Ryder was one of Santino's randomly-chosen partners on Superstars against them. (They won the Superstars match). But those tag-titles need to get off McGillicutty and Otunga right NOW.

Alex Riley apparently getting into a U.S. Title program with Dolph Ziggler also makes sense, considering that Riley's coming off a Superstars victory over former World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler last Thursday.

I would still like to hear some official word on how Drew McIntyre's doing, without the words "we wish him well on his future endeavors" being used. (Although I just freakin' Googled it, and apparently he was treated at the scene and just a little shaken up after the Big Show/Mark Henry bump).

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.24

On the night of RAW, CM Punk did a segment on FOX 59's morning show, doing an interview and even the weather. Good stuff, and it's especially cool for me to see, having grown up in Indianapolis.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.06
If anyone was wondering why Maryse was absent from the Divas number one contender battle royal:

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allo guys i wont be going physical for awhile, im getting abdominal hernia surgeryRT @_sheenuhh @maryse0uellet aren't u in the battle royal?

Ouch. Abdominal hernia and a stalker. Poor Maryse.

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      *Incidentally, to me that makes Hunter the COOHHH. Also, after a week, I've determined I hate him in charge. The COOHHH doesn't show ass for anyone. Why should he when the boss styles himself as being able to beat up anyone on the roster?
    I know I don't know what that phrase means. ??? (I don't think I've ever heard that phrase before.)


"Showing ass" has been in my wrestling vernacular for about 15 years, but now that you mention it, it could possibly be an apocryphal phrase used by my friends and I. Like "falling into bolivion". I could swear "showing ass" has been said by others in wrestling discussions, but maybe not.

Anyway, "showing ass" refers to heelish behavior in regards to showing fear, cowardice, or intimidation from a babyface. It also literally means getting your trunks and tights pulled down and showing your ass, as Ric Flair has done on numerous occasions, as well as Kurt Angle once hilariously on Smackdown (who has a clip of that?), and even Triple H when he was a heel, though probably not on TV. But mainly, "showing ass" means letting someone get one over on you. Vince McMahon was a master at it, from his comical gulp to all the numerous times he cowered and begged for mercy. And of course, there's the Kiss My Ass Club, but that's a different type of showing ass.

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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Gotta admire HHH's ability to convince everyone that he's going to destroy the business with a hand gesture that he's been making for years.

    Why exactly would a guy who's the boss of the company show any serious fear of Punk at this stage?

Agreed. It's a slow burn to an eventual HHH-Punk match. Remember the early days of Vince-Austin? Vince didn't just flip his wig at everything Austin did, he tried to work with him. I don't think he totally went off until the Tyson thing ("You ruined it!") But for those complaining, HHH did get pissed off at one point, with the "skinny fat-ass" remark.

Even though the opening and closing segments dragged a tad, Punk on the mike is gold, and I could listen to him all night. It was the other participants that drug it down, including Acehouser (I love that!)




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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
Was it just me it seemed the announcers had no real interest in calling the matches last night? Although Cole calling J.R. a "Special Guest" was pretty funny. I'm sure we can come up with some sort of drinking game with these three on Monday nights.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.34
"Uhh, get some new material!" - HHH, charismatic 20 year veteran, master of improv, movie studio cornerstone and generous collaborator

If everyone gets to be CM Punk, then no one is CM Punk. That was my biggest issue of the night, that Punk is supposed to be the anti-authority cool guy, but HHH and even Cena also wanted to play the anti-authority cool guy last night, too. And so Johnny Ace (and oh man, the uncanny Johnny Ace as Marty Funkhauser parallel is AMAZING) is trotted out so Cena can do (an admittedly great) impression of him and talk about him holding people down and threatening to beat him up, and so HHH can also be all "You guys, I hate the system, too!" even though he's supposed to be the boss now.

That's the "HHH won't show ass" worry out there: he's still got his arms out to the side in the "I can beat everyone up!" pose (to be fair, he may be physically incapable of putting them down at his side now, especially with the jacket cut so tight) and continues playing cool wiseass tweener even though he's the boss, which doesn't leave that much for the cool wiseass tweener to do. I agree that he can't turn into a wimp or coward over night, but you can't completely shut down every jab a guy throws at you when that guy's successful, top-of-the-card gimmick is that he's a shit disturber who says things that upset people. The "get some new material!" bit was the worst offender, since Punk coming out and finally being the guy who gets to attack HHH head on about sleeping his way to the top is meant to be new and edgy.

Again, still plenty of time and room for changes ahead to make this all work out, but it's something they're going to need to keep an eye on and adjust to avoid chipping away at what made this angle so fun in the first place.

On a less important note, what's the deal with them constantly talking about him having "re-signed" Morrison? He was just hurt, not fired! On the other hand, the ridiculously goofy "Morrison steals Rey's shirt, then does a zany parkour flip to reveal his hijinx" and Misterio's "Tee hee hee ha ha ha, I knew it had to be you, JoMo! Wheeeee!" was delightful.

Oh, Rey, you're too beautiful for this world. It's still weirdly shitty how Cena is being presented with a rightful claim to his phantom title because he didn't get a rematch, but Cena just blindsided Misterio and gives zero consideration to the rematch Rey deserves. It's great setup for a Cena heel turn, but like most, I don't think that's the plan.

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    "So everything's just going to go back to status quo? Where we put smiles on people's faces and I find a urinal to puke in?" Yeah you tell him Punk! You ta...wait you puke in a urinal?
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.41
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Gotta admire HHH's ability to convince everyone that he's going to destroy the business with a hand gesture that he's been making for years.

    Why exactly would a guy who's the boss of the company show any serious fear of Punk at this stage?
Besides for Batista who has come out a feud with HHH looking better or becoming a bigger star over the last ten years? Kane? Jericho? RVD? Booker T? Orton was set back by his feud with HHH late in 04. Plenty of reason for skepticism over whether he'll do the right thing. He was smirking at Punk like he smirked at Jericho back in the day. Hope he's changed but we'll see.

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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
    Originally posted by graves9
    He was smirking at Punk like he smirked at Jericho back in the day. Hope he's changed but we'll see.


Man, they have hit upon the golden feud combo for stoking the fires of internet paranoia. I'm sure Punk signed a new contract just to get buried by HHH, and all the reports of him having Vince's ear and booking this thing in tandem with Vince and Hunter and now being considered one of the company's three top stars is all hearsay. It MUST be hearsay - he SMIRKED!
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.18
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Originally posted by graves9
      He was smirking at Punk like he smirked at Jericho back in the day. Hope he's changed but we'll see.


    Man, they have hit upon the golden feud combo for stoking the fires of internet paranoia. I'm sure Punk signed a new contract just to get buried by HHH, and all the reports of him having Vince's ear and booking this thing in tandem with Vince and Hunter and now being considered one of the company's three top stars is all hearsay. It MUST be hearsay - he SMIRKED!
You had the same snarky response when I said I wouldn't be surprised if they fucked up the whole Nexus angle, and they sure did fuck that up. All I'm saying is people have a right to be skeptical about anything involving Triple H. I didn't love what I saw yesterday. We shall see. I'm skeptical by nature. Hey Shawn Michaels was as selfish as it gets at one time and changed the last half of his career, so maybe HHH will follow his lead.

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
Re: "Showing Ass".
I thought it was stricty a wrestling term, but it's in Beyonce's new song, where she disses an ex. "You showed your ass...."

Punk's impression of HHH was dead-on, followed-up by Cena's Laurentis growl. I wonder if Beth Phoenix winning has anything to do with Punk's rising stock as of late.

Am I supposed to know Johnny Ace and his skateboard? I have no memory of him, but maybe because I only watch WWF/WWE.

You can't have it both ways- you can't cover details like him handing you the contract after Cena won, yet ignore the lack of anonymous GM/laptop after a year of it.
I do like how they are so carefully treading the kayfabe line, having him call HHH a bully without coming out and saying he talked his way into winning matches with pre-determined outcomes.

I don't understand how the current Michael Cole is supposed to be entertaining or "put smiles on peoples faces". His overreaction to a Sanka reference is way more embarassing than the reference itself. I don't know how many more weeks I can stand of his making fun of barbecue sauce before I'm forced to mute it.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.06
    Originally posted by dwaters

    I don't understand how the current Michael Cole is supposed to be entertaining or "put smiles on peoples faces". His overreaction to a Sanka reference is way more embarassing than the reference itself. I don't know how many more weeks I can stand of his making fun of barbecue sauce before I'm forced to mute it.


Judging from my avatar, I'm a Cole Miner, and even I'll say Cole is out of cole-trol. Cole used to be the guy who said what I was thinking but now Punk's that guy and Cole is just irrationally vindictive, shrill and hateful to no discernible purpose. He's somehow managing to be both the Titanic and the iceberg simultaneously.

My own feelings about the COOHHH isn't so much paranoia at holding down my new most very favorite darling professional wrestler, as much as I'm just tired of Triple H. I certainly never uttered a peep of complaint when he was absent from television for so many weeks. Triple H as the new boss makes a certain amount of storyline and real-world sense, but his presence on television dismays me. I just don't like the guy anymore. I don't like watching him, and more TV time for him bums me out. I'm still giving him the benefit of seeing how he evolves in his new position in the coming months, but man, the guy just plain bums me out. In a different way that Cena bums me out. "Soul crushing" is how Punk referred to it, I think, and that's apt in my case.

My hope that maybe Triple H would shake things up around here in an effort to not be the boss Vince was hasn't really been fulfilled. "Re-signing" John Morrison doesn't count as shaking anything up. I was hoping maybe, as a former anarchist and degenerate, he'd at least have a "fuck it, let's turn them loose and I'll get out of the way for the most part" attitude but that hasn't materialized. Perhaps this was naive of me to hope for. Yes, I know, it's been two weeks. It's early. But when Hunter starting talking about "the rules" and "doing it all for THEM" pointing to the crowd, well great. Hunter is our new WWE Universe Dad. Except Dad looks like he's gonna beat up our cool older brother* if he gets out of line.

It's early, it's early, yes. We'll see how it all goes. So far, based on what I've seen, I don't like it.

* Also, I'm older than that cool brother. Cool younger brother.

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
They need to get rid of Cole. He was all about getting himself over last night, and not in a fun heel way. Seems like he may be a bit legit pissed at Ross the way he was stepping all over his lines.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    They need to get rid of Cole. He was all about getting himself over last night, and not in a fun heel way. Seems like he may be a bit legit pissed at Ross the way he was stepping all over his lines.


Not to mention the awkward "I wish your parents had never met"/"Let's not get talking about parents again...."/Uncomfortable pause between Lawler and Cole. It's still absurd that these guys were in a blood feud for months and it was just swept under the rug after Lawler won the blowoff match.



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