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TONIGHT: How will WWE capitalize on the buzz generated by CM Punk’s show-closing promos from last week? Speaking of Punk, WWE will be looking for a new #1 contender after “suspending” him last Monday night: It’ll be Rey Mysterio vs. R-Truth vs. Alberto Del Rio. Spoilers are available, as this show was taped following last Monday’s live Raw. Also, I'll be on vacation next week and may not get to a recap - if something isn't posted within the first few minutes of the end of the show, feel free to start it without me.

- WWE Open.

- They opened with a video package, highlighting the end of last week’s main event, then the Punk promo

- Raw Open.

- Fireworks shot off inside the arena, then Jerry Lawler and Michael Cole plugged the #1 Contender match between R-Truth, Alberto Del Rio, and Rey Mysterio.

- Also tonight: Alex Riley vs. The Miz.

- John Cena’s music hit inside the arena, and he came out. He said that last week, C.M. Punk said some things that didn’t mesh well with WWE brass. In fact, WWE has suspended Punk indefinitely. He said it also means Punk is stripped of his right to face Cena at MITB. Cena brought up tonight’s Triple Threat match, and said as for Punk….(long pause with some Punk chants)….we’re just supposed to sweep him under the rug and pretend he never existed. He admitted that he’s never seen eye-to-eye with Punk, but as champion, he has a voice, and decided to weigh in on the suspension: “It sucks.” Cena said Punk was suspended for speaking his mind, for telling everyone how he feels. He said he knows this is a PG show and knows what you can and can’t say. He said while he doesn’t agree with what Punk said, he’ll defend ‘til the death his right to say it. I mean, he said he doesn’t agree with Punk but found nothing wrong with it. He asked the people, “where does this stop?” Cena said Daniel Bryan not too long ago was fired for being too aggressive. He said it’s been said that WWE personnel confiscate signs from fans at live events. And now Punk has been suspended for speaking his mind? Cena pointed out that fans are chanting “first amendment.” Cena made fun of himself, saying he looks like the Kool-Aid man in jorts. How will all of his fans who are dressed just like him feel? Cena said answers from an anonymous GM won’t be enough tonight; he said he called Vince McMahon earlier in the day, and Vince promised to be in the building. Cena said they won’t just talk it out backstage and get some PC answer, but he’s going to demand an answer in front of the fans, in the ring. And Vince will hear from Cena that he wants to face Punk at MITB. Cena then left the ring and headed to the back.

- Backstage, Kelly Kelly and Eve Torres were walking. They take on the Bellas next.

[Commercial Break]

(1) The Bella Twins vs. Kelly Kelly & Eve Torres
Eve and Nikki tied up, and Eve took her down with it. Eve did some butt-thrusting, mocking the Bellas according to Cole, then did her standing moonsault. But Nikki threw Eve out of the ring after a two-count from the move. The Bellas continued on offense, working the left arm of Eve. Face-buster by Eve, and at 2:14, she tagged Kelly. Kelly took out both Bellas before doing some more butt wiggling. Headscissor take-down by Kelly, then she slammed Nikki head-first into the buckle several times. Stinkface by Kelly, then a bulldog for two. Eve took out the interfering Bella and Kelly hit her K2 finisher for the win.

Winner: Kelly and Eve, at 3:14. Same old story being told, just different Divas being changed in and out.

- A video package on Tough Enough winner Andy aired.

- R-Truth was on the phone backstage. He was talking to Flo from the Progressive Insurance commercials, apparently. Scott Stanford walked up to Truth and he asked him about his match for the #1 contendership. Truth said he should be #1 contender after beating Cena last week. He said he’s got good news and bad news for those who are in on the conspiracy: The good news, he just saved 15% by switching to Geico. What about Flo?? The bad news: he’s going to hurt someone tonight. He turned around into Alberto Del Rio and called him “Senor Jimmy.” Del Rio said it’s not about conspiracies, but about destinies. He laughed as they went to break.

[Commercial Break]

(2) Santino Marella & Vladimir Kozlov vs. David Otunga & Michael McGillicutty
Cole and Lawler had to awkwardly weave in discussion of Nexus with Punk’s situation. Otunga, powered Marella down, but he missed a corner charge and Santino set up for the Cobra. Otunga fled the ring before he could connect. McGillicutty tagged in and Santino quickly took back over. Kozlov tagged in and landed a belly-to-belly suplex. Cole said Kozlov gained US citizenship last year. Otunga distracted Kozlov, and McGillicutty came from behind to take out the knee. Double-team by New Nexus. Not nearly as good as the New Midnight Express, but few can be. The heels didn’t have the advantage for long as Santino tagged in and hip-tossed both men. Diving headbutt for McGillicutty, then the Cobra was set up. Otunga first fell victim to it, but McGillicutty gave Santino his neck-breaker for the win.

Winners: Nexus, at 4:15. Eh. Nothing to get excited about here.

As the champs celebrated, Zack Ryder came out. he got an okay reaction. He did his catchphrase and that was it. Well, for those who complain about him not getting TV time and they could put him anywhere just to get him on….they sure did that here. I’m hoping this leads to him and a partner (Curt Hawkins?) challenging for the titles.

- A graphic showed the Raw brand wrestlers in the MITB Ladder Match at the PPV.

- Tonight, Riley vs. Miz.

[Commercial Break]

- A graphic showed Cena promising to challenge Mr. McMahon.

- Backstage, Scott Stanford quizzed The Miz about what he’ll try to defeat Alex Riley this time. Miz said C.M. Punk has been suspended, and he wasn’t picked to be in the Triple-Threat match because of Alex Riley. He called Riley “a nuisance” who has set him off course. He said Riley’s WWE opportunities end tonight.

- Evan Bourne was talking to Sgt. Slaughter backstage. Bourne talked about it being the 4th of July, then said he’ll lead everybody in a Pledge of Allegiance later tonight. Jack Swagger walked into the locker room and made fun of Sarge’s age and said if anyone should be leading this crowd in the Pledge it should be him, not the guy who sided with Iraq during the Gulf War. Sarge said everyone makes mistakes and said Swagger’s parents made a mistake when they didn’t use birth control. He asked Slaughter to make a mistake and get in the ring with him tonight. “You’re on, maggot.” said Slaughter. “The All-American American Puke” Sarge called Swagger, as he readied for the Cobra Clutch.

- “Earlier tonight,” they showed McMahon’s private jet landing.

- Tonight, R-Truth, Alberto Del Rio, or Rey Mysterio will become #1 Contender for the WWE Title.

[Commercial Break]

(3) Jack Swagger vs. Sgt. Slaughter
After a lock-up, Swagger kneed Sarge in the gut, then worked him over in the corner. Sarge fought out with slaps. He caught Swagger with an elbow in the corner, then applied the Cobra Clutch. Swagger slammed Slaughter into the corner to break it and clotheslined Sarge down. Vader Bomb by Swagger finished it.

Winner: Swagger, at 1:06. Well, at least he didn’t lose.

After the match, Swagger applied the ankle-lock. Evan Bourne came out to knock Swagger around. Bourne got a mic and Slaughter did the Pledge.

- Del Rio vs. Truth vs. Mysterio is up next.

[Commercial Break]

(4) Alberto Del Rio vs. R-Truth vs. Rey Mysterio – Triple-Threat Match to Determine #1 Contender to WWE Title
Del Rio took out Truth to start and Rey went after both. Missed splash by Del Rio, then Rey was about to advance on Truth when Del Rio kicked him down. Del Rio dove at Rey but missed and fell through the ropes to ringside. Rey added a kick to ADR for good measure. Truth landed the Lie Detector on Rey and Rey kicked out at 1:35. Hey, when did Cole stop calling Raw “the longest running episodic television show of all-time” during top-of-the-hour resets? Truth stayed on the offense on the outside of the ring in dealing with Rey and Del Rio. Back in the ring at 2:57, cover got two. Truth dove off the apron and landed on ADR. Sidewalk slam back in the ring for Rey. They went to break after a high-impact move six minutes into the match.

[Commercial Break]

Back at 9:10 of the match, with Del Rio and Rey working and Truth resting. I mean, selling. Rey fell victim to a tilt-a-whirl back-breaker for two. Truth punched and Del Rio and did a sunset flip. But Del Rio still had a hold of Rey, so Rey got suplexed when Del Rio flipped over. Nice. Rey avoided a sunset flip and kicked Del Rio in the head. Truth broke up the pin. Scissors kick on Rey by Truth, but Del Rio was the one breaking it up this time. Del Rio dove at Truth but missed and went shoulder-first into the post. 619 on Truth, then a dive from the top for two. Del Rio broke it up and applied the cross arm-breaker to Rey for the submission win.

Winner: Del Rio, at 13:07. Match was okay, but the crowd didn’t seem terribly interested.

- Tonight, John Cena confronts Vince McMahon.

[Commercial Break]

- In the ring was a USA-themed spread and a birthday cake with a flag on it. It said happy birthday to America…and Dolph Ziggler. Then his music played and Ziggler and Vickie Guerrero came out. Vickie said that tonight, we’re celebrating the birthday of America and since Dolph is US Champion, he should be given birthday wishes as well. Vickie told the fans to stand and sing Happy Birthday to him. Fans seemed reluctant. Vickie sang sexily (I think). Vickie asked if Dolph had any birthday wishes, and he said he didn’t but did have something to say. Ziggler said the fans don’t know how lucky they are, seeing someone like him in his prime. He said there will be a dozen more John Cenas, several more Randy Ortons, but only one Dolph Ziggler. He told the fans to forget about Punk and Cena, because as long as he’s US Champion, that is the only title that matters. He said he makes Monday Night Raw “perfection.” Then Kofi Kingston came out.

Kofi said that without Vickie in his corner, Dolph can’t beat him. Ziggler said he’s above Kofi at this point and he just left him in the dust. He told Kofi to “beat it,” because they’re celebrating. Kofi shoved Dolph into Vickie and Vickie backed into the cake. Dolph started brawling with Kofi and Vickie was this time sent face-first into the cake (her butt went into it the first time). Kofi chased Dolph up the ramp and to the back. Vickie walked out of the ring covered in frosting as they replayed Vickie going into the cake.

- Next: Miz vs. A.Ri.

[Commercial Break]

(5) The Miz vs. Alex Riley
During Riley’s entrance, they showed a hype video for him, with some childhood moments mixed in with his babyface turn. Cole set up Riley as someone who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. Riley attacked Miz and beat him up outside the ring. Miz turned the tide back in, using stomps and a boot to the seated Riley. Cole kept alluding to Miz and Riley’s history, but never directly referenced their NXT relationship. Crevat applied by Miz, but Riley flipped out. He missed a charge and Miz DDT’d Riley for two. Running knee lift by Miz put Riley down for a near-fall. Flapjack by Miz, halting a Riley comeback. Miz did some trash-talking, but it didn’t have the same effect Mark Henry’s does. Inverted DDT for two at 4:17. They went to break at 4:26.

[Commercial Break]

Back at 7:38 with Riley working his way back to his feet. Neck-breaker for Miz and both men were down. Riley tackled Miz and gave him a spinebuster for two. Back body-drop gave Miz a breather. Corner clothesline by Miz. Neck-breaker/back-breaker combo was attempted by Miz, but Riley countered with a backslide for three.

Winner: Riley, at 9:11.

After the match, Miz attacked Riley and gave him a beating around ringside. The fight went into the crowd and Miz tossed Riley over the barricade and back to ringside. Riley was then thrown into the ring steps as Miz screamed "I made you!" and "you're nothing!" Miz showed signs of frustration and finished by hurling Riley over the announce table. They did a slow-mo replay, without the announcers talking, of Miz trash-talking Riley against the steps.

-Outside the arena, a limo pulled up and Mr. McMahon got out. He began walking into the arena. We'll hear from him next.

[Commercial Break]

- On camera, Cole and Lawler talked about Punk being indefinitely suspended. Lawler said Punk was going to leave in two weeks anyway and didn't get why he said what he did. Cole then sent it to what amounted to a Raw Rebound, showing clips of Cena vs. Truth and Punk's promo.

- Mr. McMahon was introduced to the live crowd. He seemed upbeat as Cole waved at him from ringside. Vince didn't return the wave. McMahon explained why he suspended C.M. Punk, saying "he deserved it." McMahon said the fans would do the same things he did if they were in his shoes. He said it wasn't even Punk's comments that got to him, but he did offer to tell a story about Punk (like Punk was going to tell about Vince). McMahon said in contract negotiations, Punk wanted private transportation and wanted to be on the cover of magazines and a DVD about himself - "which he didn't deserve to be on." McMahon said C.M. is, in fact, a Punk. Vince thanked the fans and began to leave, but John Cena's music played and he came out.

"That's it?" asked Cena. He asked if all Vince was going to do was suspend him and kick him to the curb. Cena said Punk spoke his mind, and that's something Vince endorses - freedom of speech is everything to him. Cena said McMahon has always been a fighter and talked about how Vince always came to the ring (and he imitated Vince's walk) and looked for a fight. Cena said Vince took down "Turner" because he's a fighter. Cena asked, "what happened to Vince McMahon the fighter?" He questioned McMahon's grapefruits and said he still wants to fight, and he wants to fight C.M. Punk. He told Vince that if Vince is tired of fighting, "maybe you should hang it up, old man."

McMahon considered it and seemed deep in thought. He said he really suspended Punk because he didn't want to take the chance of Punk winning and taking the belt (he mentioned that situation has arisen before). McMahon said Punk would walk into some other "wrestling organization" to show off his WWE title. Cena called Vince out for being afraid of being embarrassed and Vince said he didn't trust Cena to win, as both men began to raise their voices. Cena spoke for the WWE Universe about the questions they have about Punk vs. Cena, and Cena even referenced Punk riding on the side of his car during Wrestlemania 22. Cena asked what would happen if he said something that Vince wouldn't like - would he suspend him? "Don't piss me off," said Vince. "Don't be Hogan, don't be all those guys that came before you," he said to Cena.

Vince said he gave a logical explanation for his actions, but Cena said Vince should do the match and give the people what they want. Cena accused Vince of letting his ego get in the way. McMahon said this whole thing has become embarrassing, and he doesn't give a damn what the people want. He said he didn't want to jeopardize his company. He said his decisions are good ones, and he has everyone at heart. Cena looked at the WWE Title and said he knows it's Vince's company, that he's not stupid. Cena said it isn't something he signed up for, and he knows everyone is replaceable. He said he works his butt off for the brand because the title means something. Cena defended Punk again and said Vince was afraid of Punk making the title meaningless, but by kicking Punk to the curb, he already made it meaningless. He handed Vince the belt and walked off. Vince yelled at Cena as Cena went to the top of the ramp, but Vince told him to stop. He left the ring with the title and walked up to Cena. He stared Cena in the face and grudgingly acquiesced, saying Punk was reinstated and the match is on. He snapped at Cena to get the smile off his face, then said if Punk walks out of Chicago with the title, he'll walk down the aisle and fire Cena. Really, another "Fire Cena" angle? Why would anyone buy it? I'm sure this segment will be talked about too, though not as much as last week's ending. Vince walked to the back and Cena kept the title to end things.

(edited by geemoney on 5.7.11 0030)
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    He snapped at Cena to get the smile off his face, then said if Punk walks out of Chicago with the title, he'll walk down the aisle and fire Cena. Really, another "Fire Cena" angle? Why would anyone buy it?


I was SO on board with this Punk angle last week, but now I'm almost on the other end of the spectrum, because it's turned into just another "John Cena gets fired" angle. I don't want to see John Cena get fired again. It hasn't even been a year since the last time we saw John Cena get fired. I don't even want SPECULATION about John Cena getting fired. The idea is played. And even if Cena DOES get fired again, it just means he'll still pop up on TV every week, just like THE LAST TIME he got fired! Would it kill them to just have a straight Cena/Punk match at the PPV? The angle's fine the way it is without having John Cena put his career on the line again, especially since it's been pretty well-established that Cena getting fired doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't even make sense in context of the characters. Why would Vince fire Cena when he knows Cena's going to make him millions at Wrestlemania?

Zack Ryder is the new Ron Simmons! "Woo woo woo" is the new "DAMN!"

I've already expressed how tired I am of Kofi/Dolph. I will say that I wish Vickie had just taken the cake to the face in stride, brushed it off, and just grabbed a piece.

Del Rio winning the #1 contenders slot and losing it with Punk's reinstatement is a nice, seamless way to put Del Rio into the Summerslam main event.

(edited by It's False on 4.7.11 2009)


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WWE Production package of the Cena/Punk angle was pretty sweet.

Ryder's gonna need a Zack Pack.

I'm really digging Ziggler and how he is trying to make the US belt seem important. Let him run with it for a long while, it'll do him and the belt some good.

I can see this leading to Corporate Punk with Cena getting some time off.

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I'm not a huge fan of this twist to the angle, but it does open up a number of possibilities. Noticeable is that Vince didn't say "if you lose, you get fired" but "if he walks out of Chicago with the title." Easy to telegraph Punk winning and the MITB champ taking it off him as well. With that one line, they added a possibility to the minds of the fans. Heck, they can even have Punk taunting Cena after the match, smirking and talking smack, only to take an AA and have Cena invite (for example) Rey Mysterio down to the ring to win the title. Actually, another bit of fun there (and then I'm taking off the fantasy booking hat) might be to have The Miz or Truth win MITB, Cena lose, leave Punk laying, and Miz/Truth comes down but ... refuses to make the cover, explaining that if he *doesn't* pin Punk, Cena gets fired and he'll take Cena getting fired over winning the title that night.
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The show felt like it might have been the first time Lawler listened to the lyrics in the Bella's music and found out what Rey means in Spanish. An eye opening evening for the King.



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    Originally posted by It's False


    Del Rio winning the #1 contenders slot and losing it with Punk's reinstatement is a nice, seamless way to put Del Rio into the Summerslam main event.



Is that official? Del Rio is out of the MITB match on the 17th and into the SummerSlam main event?



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Alberto into the SummerSlam main event is not official, it's just what many are presuming.


    Easy to telegraph Punk winning and the MITB champ taking it off him as well.


If they decide to acknowledge that as a possibility, they also can have a lot of twists off that premise - MITB champ seems hurt or unwilling to challenge on this night, Vince desperately tries to get the SD! winner guy to challenge.

They could go the other way too, make it seem a fait accompli Punk is about to lose the title to the MITB winner, only for again 'something off script' to happen to help Punk (a run in by a crazed Chicago fan and/or person who doesn't work here.) Or even hurt Punk, if it's about for a Montreal rehash.

I don't mean to do fantasy booking, but my great point is there's a lot of ways to end the PPV besides Punk just getting pinned by a MitB winner (or Cena) and then going away for a while. There's too much worthwhile in this story to make it a one and done show.



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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Originally posted by It's False


      Del Rio winning the #1 contenders slot and losing it with Punk's reinstatement is a nice, seamless way to put Del Rio into the Summerslam main event.



    Is that official? Del Rio is out of the MITB match on the 17th and into the SummerSlam main event?


It's not official, but that's the line of logic that they'll probably use if they want to pencil Del Rio in for next month.



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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Alberto into the SummerSlam main event is not official, it's just what many are presuming.


      Easy to telegraph Punk winning and the MITB champ taking it off him as well.


    If they decide to acknowledge that as a possibility, they also can have a lot of twists off that premise - MITB champ seems hurt or unwilling to challenge on this night, Vince desperately tries to get the SD! winner guy to challenge.

    They could go the other way too, make it seem a fait accompli Punk is about to lose the title to the MITB winner, only for again 'something off script' to happen to help Punk (a run in by a crazed Chicago fan and/or person who doesn't work here.) Or even hurt Punk, if it's about for a Montreal rehash.

    I don't mean to do fantasy booking, but my great point is there's a lot of ways to end the PPV besides Punk just getting pinned by a MitB winner (or Cena) and then going away for a while. There's too much worthwhile in this story to make it a one and done show.


The show is in Chicago, right? And isn't someone who Punk may have name dropped billed as being from Chicago?

I could see a run-in from Colt Cabana during the PPV, which is one extra piece that could be added.

I know fantasy booking is frowned upon here, but this situation with Punk and the PPV might warrant it's own speculation/discussion thread (I'll leave that up to the Mods/Admins).



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    Originally posted by geemoney
    As the champs celebrated, Zack Ryder came out. he got an okay reaction.



And saying he got an okay reaction is being kind.

I was really disappointed at the almost non-reaction he got when he finally appeared on RAW.

(edited by Kevintripod on 4.7.11 2236)




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Nikki and Eve's half of the Divas match gave a quick chance to show them off before the standard Kelly/Brie ending. But during the commentary they really never said anything about the actual match going on. This match would have been much better on Superstars. Scott Stanford needs to be on Raw commentary NOW!!!

If Zack Ryder was actually allowed to be his youtube character on tv he would connect with the audience. just dropping his catchphrase isn't going to do it.


But the most shocking thing to me was Vince acknowledging that other wrestling organizations exist (they never talk about them , they treat most new guys like they walked in off the street) and he actually spoke the word he despises most.



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    Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Originally posted by geemoney
      As the champs celebrated, Zack Ryder came out. he got an okay reaction.



    And saying he got an okay reaction is being kind.

    I was really disappointed at the almost non-reaction he got when he finally appeared on RAW.

    (edited by Kevintripod on 4.7.11 2236)


Well, this was taped last week, was it not? I'm sure the crowd was getting burned out. He'll survive. He has Stone Cold and Cena going to bat for him, for goodness sakes. That has to count for something. Taped show: I had to remind myself of that a lot tonight. For example, it explains the absurdity of putting Sgt. Slaughter out there for any reason whatsoever. Christ, he looked fifty at Wrestlemania 7. I also think it sort of explains how they moved the focus onto Cena will be fired. They couldn't have known while they were taping this that Punk's stuff last week would get the incredible reaction that it did, so they went with their safe, de facto Cena-centric fallback position. Good thing they have a proper live RAW next week to get things back on course.

On this show, not much was good, but I thought they ruined Riley's potential something awful. He got a good reaction from what had to be tired crowd and then he gets destroyed. Could that have waited a week? As for delaying Del Rio's title shot, there ain't much drama to that. Does he care if he has to wait a month? If anything it's another month of grueling title defenses for whoever the Champion is.





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There's one story running through the RAW undercard. The Numbers Game.

Kelly Kelly has the Bella Twins' number.

Evan Bourne has Jack Swagger's number.

Alex Riley has The Miz's number.

Cakes have Vicki Guerrero's number.

I guess that's better than the usual no stories running through the undercard.



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This talk of MITB winners has made me wonder: they haven't had the championship holder get DQ'd in the title match vs the MITB winner, right? I understand that that would probably be unfulfilling to the audience, but it was just something that popped into my head. Or maybe No-DQ is built into it, I don't know.
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I'm not a huge fan of this twist to the angle, but it does open up a number of possibilities. Noticeable is that Vince didn't say "if you lose, you get fired" but "if he walks out of Chicago with the title." Easy to telegraph Punk winning and the MITB champ taking it off him as well. With that one line, they added a possibility to the minds of the fans. Heck, they can even have Punk taunting Cena after the match, smirking and talking smack, only to take an AA and have Cena invite (for example) Rey Mysterio down to the ring to win the title. Actually, another bit of fun there (and then I'm taking off the fantasy booking hat) might be to have The Miz or Truth win MITB, Cena lose, leave Punk laying, and Miz/Truth comes down but ... refuses to make the cover, explaining that if he *doesn't* pin Punk, Cena gets fired and he'll take Cena getting fired over winning the title that night.

They've established you can't cash in your MITB shot on a champ who is laid out in the ring, though.



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    Originally posted by It's False
    I was SO on board with this Punk angle last week, but now I'm almost on the other end of the spectrum, because it's turned into just another "John Cena gets fired" angle. I don't want to see John Cena get fired again. It hasn't even been a year since the last time we saw John Cena get fired. I don't even want SPECULATION about John Cena getting fired. The idea is played. And even if Cena DOES get fired again, it just means he'll still pop up on TV every week, just like THE LAST TIME he got fired! Would it kill them to just have a straight Cena/Punk match at the PPV? The angle's fine the way it is without having John Cena put his career on the line again, especially since it's been pretty well-established that Cena getting fired doesn't mean anything.


I feel the same way, although this bit of weak business doesn't diminish the fact that the entire show was dedicated to selling Punk.

I think it was Lawler who made the great point that there's no reason to suspend a guy who's gonna be gone in two weeks anyway. That's a nice tidbit of consideration; we usually fill threads with "yeah, but what about ..." and this beat us to the punch.

Even with the lame threat to Cena's career, this angle, since last Monday, has stepped up in intensity and detail. I wonder how much Punk has collaborated backstage to sculpt this.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
I don't understand all the worry about "he's gonna leave with the title". In both kayfabe and real terms.

It's a prop.

If they were worried, just have security make sure they take the belt before he leaves.

If someone leaves as champion, consider it vacated and hold a tournament.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
    Originally posted by dwaters
    I don't understand all the worry about "he's gonna leave with the title". In both kayfabe and real terms.

    It's a prop.

    If they were worried, just have security make sure they take the belt before he leaves.

    If someone leaves as champion, consider it vacated and hold a tournament.


You know, if they wanted a reason to finally retire the spinning belt ...



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.72
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by dwaters
      I don't understand all the worry about "he's gonna leave with the title". In both kayfabe and real terms.

      It's a prop.

      If they were worried, just have security make sure they take the belt before he leaves.

      If someone leaves as champion, consider it vacated and hold a tournament.


    You know, if they wanted a reason to finally retire the spinning belt ...


Or unify the world titles for a bit, then have Punk come back (after a break) proclaiming to the be the REAL WORLD'S CHAMPION (complete with pixels).



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
    Originally posted by MrBoffo
    This talk of MITB winners has made me wonder: they haven't had the championship holder get DQ'd in the title match vs the MITB winner, right? I understand that that would probably be unfulfilling to the audience, but it was just something that popped into my head.


MITB cashers have a 100% success rate. The first failure coming on a DQ would be kind of a flat way to make that history, but I actually had the same idea. The big swerve on top of a swerve where Punk has won the title and is going to get banked, but then he just slaps the ref in the face and skidaddles with the belt. (You can't MITB a MITB expert like Punk.) And then it's like, oh shoot now what.

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    They could go the other way too, make it seem a fait accompli Punk is about to lose the title to the MITB winner, only for again 'something off script' to happen to help Punk (a run in by a crazed Chicago fan and/or person who doesn't work here.)


zactly


    Vince desperately tries to get the SD! winner guy to challenge.


I presumed the SD case only works on the SD title but I guess they can pretty much make it up as they feel.


    Originally posted by dwaters
    I don't understand all the worry about "he's gonna leave with the title". In both kayfabe and real terms.

    It's a prop.

    If they were worried, just have security make sure they take the belt before he leaves.

    If someone leaves as champion, consider it vacated and hold a tournament.


In that case then no one should care about trying to win the title and the whole house of cards collapses. Which is already kind of the case.
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