I'm not getting the raves for Cena's promo. Nothing wrong with it mind you, I think he did good making chicken salad out of what they gave him to work with, but I didn't hear him turning around the crowd. (I'll revisit that if they are actually going for a heel turn here.)
What did he do that was so great? What this war of words started with a few weeks back was that Rock said Cena dissed him for turning his back on WWE when he went for the movie career - so Cena meanwhile complains about Fruity Pebbles jokes, and puffs his chest out with pride for dominating the 5-12 demo? And then he AA's Rock from behind, after Rocky just fought off two guys? What a hero...
What Cena could have done (and I'm fairly sure this would have been out of bounds to say) is to talk about Rock electrifying the fans by saying he was back for good - and then ask how long after WrestleMania would he be hanging around for, exactly? Miz at least went for the "Mr. Hollywood won't risk his reputation by getting physical" idea.
It was a great segment, and if it leads to a Rock/Cena match down the road they're building it up solidly.
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Originally posted by geemoneyTaker said Triple H is going to kill himself trying, but the Streak will still be alive, and so will he. “And if you don’t want to take my word for it…ask him,” he said, pointing to Michaels.
After HHH hit "rest in peace" in his promo earlier, I'm thinking Taker missed his line: "I have two words for you" where the ... went.
At least this leaves it wide open for HBK to get involved in the match, if they need the help as much as it sounds like. I was kind of hoping Shawn would say "You can't." When Hunter asked him to tell Taker why he was going to break the streak.
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Also, I can't help but get the feeling that they are building up Sin Cara so much, it's going to end up something like Glacier all over again. Not that Mistico doesn't have skills, but he's an undersized guy that has a career of wrestling a non-WWE style behind him. I'm having a hard time envisioning how they're going to book him to live up to the hype.
(And as loaded as the show was, I was a bit surprised there was no Stone Cold - are they taping SmackDown right after Raw ended tonight, or will it be a packaged hype show this week?)
I don't think I've seen this specific kind of feud since Austin/Bret. Cena/Rock isn't just a clash between face and heel, but it's literally shaping up to be one generation of fans against another. It's Cena's kiddie crowd against Rocky's Attitude-era fans. The face and the heel depend on which star you grew up with and, quite frankly, that's awesome. That was a fine war of words between those two tonight and now I'm more convinced than ever that Miz retains on Sunday.
Triple H/Undertaker was just ten different kinds of awesome. Shawn's exit was the right kind of dramatic and now I'm absolutely stoked for this match.
I think there's something to be said about the depth of talent on the E's roster that they managed to fill 4 hours and Kofi, Drew, and Truth aren't booked at all, while Swagger and Christian aren't even wrestling. The E's roster is a lot more solid than I gave it credit for.
Oh, that Kane. He sure enjoys a good rusty trombone.
Interestingly, for all Rock pumped up his WM13 debut in Chicago, he was booed out of the building Cena-style that night. And it wasn't against a cool heel, it was against the freaking Sultan.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." --- Bart Giamatti, on baseball
If HHH goes over UT, then I am done with wrestling until HHH retires for good. It makes no sense for him to go over UT and break the streak. I fear this match will be awful. Neither man has had a match since they have been back from the DL. To me, it looks like it will end with HHH about to pin UT and HBK coming out, superkicking HHH and letting UT pin him. This will lead to HHH/HBK for the god only knows how manytimes feud.
The past couple weeks have been fucking horrible, but this show was like a completely different promotion almost.
That Trips/Taker seg would have been the highlight of the night on your average show. I've never been a Triple H fan, but he combed reality into his comments enough that it really was probably the best promo I can ever remember him doing. It helped that he spent infinitely less time building himself up than he usually does. Shawn's participation was great, as was Trips telling him he was soft, although it is VERY odd to see HBK cast as something of an ineffectual cuckold in all this. But he cuckolded SKIP, so he deserves it.
Snooki looked pretty well gone. I never thought I'd see Trish, who I've seen in real life, tower over anyone, since she's all of 5'2". Snooki must be 4'9" legit.
And then Cena/Rock. Clearly that was the single most epic moment of Cena's career, and one of the best RAW moments ever. Not so great was Rock botching the catspring, ala Jannetty & Michaels in '05. I was also scared they were gonna have Cena save Rock. Miz really came off as irrelevant, and with Del Rio getting the "last laugh" heading into 'Mania which implies an Edge victory, maybe all of you will get your wish and the under-performing Miz will have his reign extended via Rock screwjob. But there's no way BOTH Miz and Del Rio go over in the two main title bouts, so take your pick, folks.
Cena not only responded to the Rock, he responded to everyone that boos him and bashes him on the internet. It was one of those promos they could go back to if they ever wanted him to go heel in that Bret Hart 'I'm right you are all wrong' molds.
WWE gave the troops front row seats ... Behind the plexi glass of the Cole Mine and his guards that stood the whole show. Weak.
Wait - what the Hell has Kofi done to deserve being bumped off the WM card? McIntyre's got a crazy wife, Truth is geographically dyslexic and DiBiase just won't stop being crappy, but Kofi's done nothing as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by JustinShapiroNot having Jerry The King Lawler do a promo about how he was going to make Cole pay. errrrr. good thinking. You might've thought that Lawler's speaking ability was one of the keys to this whole thing but, I mean, nah.
Hey stupid. Have I got news for you.
Originally posted by TheOldManI'm not getting the raves for Cena's promo. Nothing wrong with it mind you, I think he did good making chicken salad out of what they gave him to work with, but I didn't hear him turning around the crowd. (I'll revisit that if they are actually going for a heel turn here.)
What did he do that was so great?
I don't think turning the crowd was a possibility, not at WM22sville. I thought the important part was, irrespective of how you'd score their arguments in a debate club, Cena finally took things seriously, stood up for himself with conviction, and in the end, had it come down to the offer to fight instead of going for the ultimate punchline or further critique of one another's gimmicks.
I was kind of hoping Shawn would say "You can't." When Hunter asked him to tell Taker why he was going to break the streak.
I think he said "you can't win :(" when he turned around on the ramp.
Originally posted by Wpob I fear this match will be awful. Neither man has had a match since they have been back from the DL.
HHH had a long street fight with Sheamus at a WWE Live Event (tm) at MSG. I don't know, I kind of expect that match to be really good. It's Undertaker and Triple H, it's Wrestlemania, it's a brawl, and at least one of them knows he only has to get through this one night. It might be that Taker just can't pull it off with one arm -- good luck on the Last Ride, drop behind, kick Pedigree -- but I have a lot of faith that the "die trying" here will be both guys doing everything possible to will their bodies into a Mania-worthy match.
Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad Miz really came off as irrelevant, and with Del Rio getting the "last laugh" heading into 'Mania which implies an Edge victory, maybe all of you will get your wish and the under-performing Miz will have his reign extended via Rock screwjob. But there's no way BOTH Miz and Del Rio go over in the two main title bouts, so take your pick, folks.
Ever since Orton went over Cena and HHH at WM24, they've consciously attempted to throw a curveball into the finishes everyone "knew." Maybe this year the big curveball is both heels win title matches and WWE high-fives that they've struck a huge blow against people who predict things.
Originally posted by Amos CochranWait - what the Hell has Kofi done to deserve being bumped off the WM card? McIntyre's got a crazy wife, Truth is geographically dyslexic and DiBiase just won't stop being crappy, but Kofi's done nothing as far as I can tell.
I don't know, but he's lost pretty much every match he's had to a smorgasbord of heels since he won the IC title. What's Ghana, West African for "Willie the Worker"?
Cena and Miz more than held their own with Rock tonight. I also loved the other main event promo. I was already going to buy Mania because it's Mania, but these two promos probably convinced some folks on the fence. It's a tough WM to predict, which is always good going into a PPV.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Originally posted by CRZWell, the Road Warrior that's still alive, at least...
Hey, come on, there are at least two Road Warriors going in this year. They can just have Sunny say "WELLLLL!" during their joint LOD2000 induction.
Cena broke out the "Wu Tang is for the children" defense on The Rock! Ideally, if they were going to have him lay out Rock like he did, it would have been nice to have him do it before Rock hit the People's Elbow to get even more heat and avoid having Miz eat that going into WM, but still a big moment and keeps the hope of a fun Cena turn alive down the line.
Obviously, my only real disappointment in that final segment was after Miz cut his promo that Alex Riley didn't grab a mic and cut one of his own. Or that he didn't panic and accidentally start attacking Miz. But maybe he's the one guy smart enough to know you need to save your signature spots for the real show.
Boy, after weeks of what felt like really plodding, boring build up of the worst kind, Undertaker singlehandedly made HHH/UT interesting with that smirk and hat tip move on the way out. Everything up to that point - the repeated MEANINGFUL STARES to the WM logo, the stereo mime-offs, the eye-rolling "You're great!" "No, you're great!" Five-Timers Club promos - failed to interest me. But that little smirk that managed to say "Oops, broke your best friend" was some Jack Bauer level shit. Now I'd be cool with Undertaker killing me when it's my time to go, too.
Originally posted by Matt TrackerThe ending segment only convinced me that they should have done Rock/Cena at WrestleMania
I'm sure they would've loved to, with Batista vs. Lesnar underneath. The good news is, Rock has apparently enjoyed doing wrestling in front of a live crowd that he's got the bug again and totally about-faced on his "none more match" stance. Thus a friskier contribution than expected last night and probably more to come.
Originally posted by Matt TrackerThe ending segment only convinced me that they should have done Rock/Cena at WrestleMania
I'm sure they would've loved to, with Batista vs. Lesnar underneath.
I'm not fantasy booking here. These guys, bolstered by a monster crowd, make for a money match. A charge-whatever-the-WWE-wants match. And that's to the detriment of Miz.
Miz is good. He's young and hungry and skilled. But he doesn't have the audience investment that Rock or Cena have. I don't think anyone in his position could overcome their longtime star power. I think Cena and Miz will be a good match. But Rock's presence eclipses Miz, and that's not by Miz's doing.
Last night's build should have given Miz more than the shortest talking role in the go-home promo. I'm fine with him taking a beating. But he got verbally and physically trumped by the guy against whom he's not defending the belt. And the last promo elevation (Cena adjusts Rock's attitude) didn't involve Miz.
Last night's promo did a fantastic job of selling a match we're not getting.
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Originally posted by It's FalseI don't think I've seen this specific kind of feud since Austin/Bret. Cena/Rock isn't just a clash between face and heel, but it's literally shaping up to be one generation of fans against another. It's Cena's kiddie crowd against Rocky's Attitude-era fans. The face and the heel depend on which star you grew up with and, quite frankly, that's awesome. That was a fine war of words between those two tonight and now I'm more convinced than ever that Miz retains on Sunday.
It's not as clear cut as that, though. I'm a child of the Attitude Era, and yet for me, Cena is the clear-cut face here for one simple reason: As he said in his first response: "I wasn't talking trash, Rock; I was talking truth." All this long while, Rock has had absolutely no substantive response for Cena pointing out the fact that Rock talked a good game for many years about loving the industry, but never showed up to back it up in person - the best he's been able to do is schoolyard insults - and last night, when Cena cut through the bluster and pointed out either the folly in Rock's line of attacks or, in other cases, outright defied them as points of attack, Rock again had no response. Maybe when I was younger, Rock's insane energy and barrage of catchy sayings was enough, but now that I'm an adult, I'm looking for something more in my verbal takedowns, and Rock just hasn't brought it to the table as he professes to do, while Cena's brought the substance since Round 1.
If last night had been ANY other town besides Chicago (pretty much the epicenter of irrational Cena hatred), I guarantee there would have been WAY more cheers than there were when Cena hit that AA.
smark/net attack Advisory System Status is: Elevated (Holds; June 18, 2006) While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
I didn't see any other threads on this topic, but.. What else can happen to Bret Hart? His brother dies, his brother-in-law dies, his mother dies, He suffers a career ending injury in WCW, and now the poor guy is paralyzed on his left side...