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#61 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Broncolanche
        Originally posted by lotjx
        I am sure more parents are upset the homo kiss between Regal and Ryder then "ass" or "sonvabitch".
      Ah yes, a peck on the cheek is considered "homo".


      What year is this again?


    We still the South in America, don't we? Time is meaningless down there.


Particularly in Orlando, where they're replaying a lot of old WCW matches in cages or something.



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#62 Posted on
The DID YOU KNOW segment was incorrect - RAW is NOT live here in Canada - we get it after a fifteen minute tape delay, due to THE SCORE not being licensed to show more than a certain percentage of their programming live or something like that.

The Score censored The Rock's speech, or at least tried to. Failing miserably, though.

(edited by Oliver on 15.2.11 1936)


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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    ... though I have to admit, some of the Cena fans were a little uncomfortable when Rock was ripping him apart - a few guys in front of me stood up and thrust their Cena signs right in the air. A few Cena-sucks chants started though.

    [...]

    Oh, and the Rock has been gone too long. The kids had no idea who he was. A bunch I saw just sat down and looked bored through his whole promo.
I just watched it again and I noticed these 2 Cena-shirt-wearing kids booing(!) The Rock during his post-promo "RAW-KEY!" chants:



Cena's crowd is pretty split as it is (though not as much as before). If they do run a Rock/Cena angle, there gonna have to sort out like 4 crowd splits!

(edited by CRZ on 16.2.11 0318)


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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
On a non-Rocky-related note:

I was very pleased when both Michael Cole and The Miz expressed their sincerest condolences to Jerry Lawler about his mother's passing without being snarky about it, even though they're both feuding with him. (I was particularly pleased that The Miz did it). And I didn't find The Miz's next sentence about "don't use that as an excuse" to be disrespectful, for that matter.



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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.54
    Originally posted by InVerse
    I still don't get it.

    Cena's humor is bad but The Rock making fun of Cena for wearing brightly colored clothing is comedic genius?


It's all about delivery. Coming from Cena, that 'Fruity Pebbles' line comes off as goofy. Coming from the Rock, it sounds bad-ass.

Rock, I believe, was one of the first guys to use heavily-scripted promos --- didn't he work closely with Brian Gewirtz on the 'Rock persona'? I seem to recall reading that Rock's stuff was largely pre-written but because of his natural charisma and legit acting ability (and his ability to improvise if need be), his promos all came off as totally off the cuff. Unfortunately, WWE seems to have thought that they can 'create' a Rock by pre-scripting things, not realizing that Dwayne Johnson's charisma is one-in-a-million.

With Cena, or Orton, or pretty much everyone else these days, you can tell they're performing a script. Now, Cena is 95 percent of the time still great at this, but every once in a while he'll hit a false note or say an odd line in his promo that cracks the illusion.

Having totally pre-scripted promos isn't "necessarily" a bad thing, but it turns into a problem when the wrestlers aren't given the necessary acting training to deliver the scripts realistically. I remember R-Truth was praised and given more promo time (his role as Cena's pal during the Nexas angle, for instance) because he went out on his own and took acting lessons.

Of the 'new' guys, some are actually quite good at scripted promos. Wade Barrett is a natural. Cody Rhodes has hit a real groove with his narcissist character. Now, would these guys be even better if they were allowed to cut promos under the old bullet-point technique? Maybe. Would some wrestler we have no idea about actually have an untapped fountain of promo ability inside of them but they can't unleash it since they're never allowed to venture off-book? Maybe.



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#67 Posted on
http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20110203/APC0507/110203003/Interview-WWE-superstar-Wade-Barrett


P-C: You have good poise on the microphone; are most of your interviews straight forward or do you find yourself ad-libbing quite often?

Barrett: A lot of the times we’re shoved out in front of the camera and I may be out there talking for 10 minutes straight or doing it back and forth with someone for 10 or 15 minutes. A lot of times you are having to ad-lib. There’s no way anybody can memorize all the stuff we have to come out and say. Generally, I’ll have an idea of what’ I’m gonna say, but in terms of crowd interaction and things like that, sometimes the crowd will be chanting stuff at me, so I’ll want to say something in response to that. Sometimes whoever I’m talking with might throw me a curveball – like John Cena’s very good at ad-libbing. He used to throw a lot of curveballs at me when I was out there talking with him, so I have to be very much reactive to what’s going on around me.





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#68 Posted on
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze



Those kids are awesome!

Also, that is 1 weird looking dude in the lower right above the USA logo. Classic fivehead.

(edited by CRZ on 16.2.11 1430)


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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.20
That's The Undertaker. He found Benjamin Button to be inspirational.
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#70 Posted on
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Also, that is 1 weird looking dude in the lower right above the USA logo.




The police need to visit that guys house and start digging up the crawl space.





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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.56
    Originally posted by AlbySure
    Phrased oddly, but made me think, who from the current roster was around at any point The Rock appeared live in the building, which last was a Diva Search segment in the summer of 2004. (He did the 2008 HOF


You ignore the fact everyone on the roster during the HOF would've been there and seen him live.

    Originally posted by tricia
    Barrett interview


Thing is, we've seen leaked scripts that were pretty much written word for word. So unless they're really changed things in the last couple years (can't remember date of the last leaked script) he's making shit up to make himself & WWE seem better.



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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
The writers will never get rid of completely scripted promos, because when you have guys write their own stuff, you suddenly don't need as many writers around anymore.
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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.33
    Originally posted by Moss
      Originally posted by AlbySure
      Phrased oddly, but made me think, who from the current roster was around at any point The Rock appeared live in the building, which last was a Diva Search segment in the summer of 2004. (He did the 2008 HOF


    You ignore the fact everyone on the roster during the HOF would've been there and seen him live.


Ignore or acknowledge?
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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
If Hunter's coming back and Rock's coming back and Austin is gonna be on TE, that's the three heavy hitters of the Attitude era, all on WWE programming within a few months.

Is the WWE blaming the current talent/product for making necessary the return of these guys? Or can we agree that the WWE caught lightning at least twice (Hunter's debatable) and consider their massive success an aberration?

If you're the WWE, is it fair to expect every generational block of wrestlers to now have a Rock and an Austin at the same time?



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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
Raw's viewership spiked by a million new household or viewers in the overrun, I think that is what the WWE is aiming for. The rest of the show's rating was average or below average what Raw is currently getting right now. You could argue doing Generation NXT a second time had the same effects as the last time they did it. They created new stars single stars like Bret, HBK, Taker and so on, but they didn't pop the ratings or the PPV buys like Hogan did in the past. Cena, Orton, Batista, Rey and Edge got huge over during this time much like Bret and Shawn. They sell merchandise and keep the show afloat which thankfully they don't have to worry much about competition like WCW. That is probably the saving grace is there is no one to real compete with them thus they can coast.

Yet, it does seem when they push the younger guys like Miz, Ziggler, Nexus and others it has no effect or a negative effect on some of the ratings and PPV buys. The real problem is maybe pushing too young, too fast, too soon. Fans want to see wrestlers struggle that is what made Austin, Foley, Eddie and even Edge's title wins mean a lot. Now a days if you get over a tad or pushed a little bit, you get the belt. The belt has become meaningless and if the belt becomes meaningless then why the fuck are we here?

The young guys are handed too much shit too early and its not fair to them. They need to learn their craft. Look what happens to them when they get the title they either leave or get into trouble backstage or get booed out of the arena or are sent to the midcard to never heard of again. Rock was one in a generation wrestler when he got the belt after 2 years. He was also hella over as well as playing a heel along while being involved in the best storyline WWE has ever done. These guys don't have the luxury. Almost every WWE storyline has either landed with a thud, been nonsensical or started off hot then fizzled after three months. It has doesn't help a good chunk of them don't know how to cut a promo or wrestle or have the IT factor.

I also think Hunter had more to do with whose bags he was carrying when he started and who he was fucking when he got his major push. Hunter was great in 1999-2000 as a wrestler, but he has never been the same since the 2001 quad injury and most of its due politics then wrestling.

(edited by lotjx on 16.2.11 1538)
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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
I think that Cena has the ability to be a Rock/Austin level guy. Problem is that unlike those two, when Cena turned face, he got a gimmick makeover.

But a lot of it is the process. WWE is getting almost all of their guys from the same place. Also, there isn't the network of other promotions for wrestlers to fine tune their craft. The guys that have had exposure in other places like Punk seem to have a leg up on the guys coming straight out of OVW.

I definately don't think it is two much to expect more charismatic talent. Don't even look at the attitude era, go back to the 80's. The roster had midcard act like Jake Roberts amd Rick Rude that would outshine anyone on the current roster.
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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.84
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    I think that Cena has the ability to be a Rock/Austin level guy. Problem is that unlike those two, when Cena turned face, he got a gimmick makeover.

    But a lot of it is the process. WWE is getting almost all of their guys from the same place. Also, there isn't the network of other promotions for wrestlers to fine tune their craft. The guys that have had exposure in other places like Punk seem to have a leg up on the guys coming straight out of OVW.

    I definately don't think it is two much to expect more charismatic talent. Don't even look at the attitude era, go back to the 80's. The roster had midcard act like Jake Roberts amd Rick Rude that would outshine anyone on the current roster.







Tough to use the mid/late 80's as a comparison, because even the guys who came in at the lower portion of the card had been minimum upper card or main eventers in other promotions.
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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.56
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Ignore or acknowledge?


He mentioned it but didn't seem to think it counted and put it with the pre-taped stuff. His post was all about "who from the current roster was around at any point The Rock appeared live in the building" The Rock appeared live in the building at HOF, and other than the first few rows of wrestlers the rest was all fans just like an arena. Smaller crowd (but still sizeable) and some people were wearing suits but it doesn't seem that different from Raw/Smackdown.



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#79 Posted on
While we may see another Rock type wrestler, I do not think we will ever see another Austin. The one thing Austin had that got him over wa his feud with Vince. It was done so well and Austin was so perfect in that role that it was THAT feud that catapulted Austin to superstardom. I do not think Austin would have been as big a star without that feud - he still would have been big, just below UT, HHH and Rock.

I loved the time that Rock and Austin were at the top of their games. It was a special time in wrestling that made Monday nad Thursday must watch TV. I do not think we will ever get a pairing like that ever again.



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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      And The Rock single handidly showed us the pathetic shell that the WWE has become in the past decade. Everyone has become so accustomed to mediocrity that they've started thinking guys like Shaemus, Miz and Ziggler are main event material.


    At least two of those guys are far better wrestlers than The Rock ever was.


I have this uneasy feeling that one of your two here, is Miz, which is just absolutely absurd. The amount of willful delusion that is employed by some folks in overstating the Miz's talent is really reaching crisis proportions. He's really an average at best worker. His match on RAW with Daniel Bryan proved nothing except perhaps that Danielson could probably have a great match with the proverbial broomstick. The fans were very much into his near falls, and Miz had a surprisingly heatless finish. The Rock, while never Bret or Shawn calibre in the ring, was still a great worker for the style of that era. There's more to be a good a wrestler than being technically good; I would rank Mick Foley as a good worker, and he wasn't grabbing holds. I would give the same nod to Big Van Vader. It's more about knowing what to do and when to elicit the best possible reaction, and Rock's mains were usually very dramatic with great crowd reactions.

I do agree that Cena is far more lame because of the environment than because of any inherent lameness. He was insanely over in Toronto in 2003, as much as Angle (top face at the time). I still say he's the only guy who ever got over, garnered main event reactions, and then was forced to change. As for the Rock being back, he's more than welcome, but how long can he do those promos without backing it up in the ring? If he isn't going to wrestle, less probably best. No point having him there to outshine everyone and then not put anyone over.





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