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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
The shirt said it all, “I Bring It”. Oh, it has been brought. How does a guy take 7 years off, and come back like he never missed a beat. Rock owned it last night, and not just compared to the watered down product we have been fed since he left. That promo stacked up next to anything Rock has ever done, and that is more than saying something. Sadly, we won’t get Cena vs. Rock, but the verbal confrontation will be epic regardless. If he isn’t truly sticking around a while, the line about “never leaving again” will break a lot of hearts.




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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
The true highlight of the show: Miz and Riley walk down the hallway, passing Respected Private Citizen Michael Tarver, and Riley turns around and looks back at Tarver! So much emotion, potential and intrigue in that moment. Anything could have happened. But then Riley just turns back around and smiles at the camera, a reminder that sometimes they make this stupid show just for me.

Also, The Rock!
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#43 Posted on
CM Punk on Twitter: Rock owes me fifty bucks for going 20 minutes past the hour, making me miss my valentines day reservations at Nobu.



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Since: 28.2.02
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    The true highlight of the show: Miz and Riley walk down the hallway, passing Respected Private Citizen Michael Tarver, and Riley turns around and looks back at Tarver! So much emotion, potential and intrigue in that moment. Anything could have happened. But then Riley just turns back around and smiles at the camera, a reminder that sometimes they make this stupid show just for me.


Doctor, you glossed over an even just as great highlight in that very same segment when The Miz passed a midget looking fella who wasn't Hornswoggle, facepalmed him, and shoved him into the bins or wall or whatever they were passing, sending me into hysterics.

Plus there was maybe the greatest moment of all, when the Bellas pwned Eve backstage in their skit, with Nikki PUTTING BOTH HANDS ON EVE'S THROAT TO CHOKE HER TO DEATH before Gail came in for the weekly screechy, limbs flailing, wardrobe-not-malfunctioning pull-apart Diva brawl.

This was an even greater moment than after Eve crossbody blocked the heel Diva gaggle like bowling pins, missing Melina completely, who decided to laugh and point, before the girls all started asking each other "Are you okay? Are you okay?" and Maryse covered her face so no one could see her laugh. Meanwhile, Cole and Josh snickered on commentary. And this was AFTER Natalya clotheslined Eve, who did a 180 flip, and Maryse BURST OUT LAUGHING at ringside. With Kelly Kelly gone from RAW, Maryse is now the Lumberjill Queen of Inappropriate Laughter.

Divas Rule.

But I also enjoyed seeing the return of the Scorpion King.

(edited by John Orquiola on 15.2.11 0752)


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Since: 25.4.03
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#45 Posted on

I haven't been this excited about wrestling in a long time ... My buddy & I are already looking to get WM tix today since we're just road trip away from Atlanta ... once in a lifetime thing ...

I might be wrong, but I don't see the Rock wrestling at 'Mania ... I think they'll generate enough buys just by having him on the show ... I can see them trying to hold Cena vs. Rock off until SummerSlam ...

Speaking of Diesel ... I keep waiting for him to show up on Smackdown to save the Big Show from a beatdown by the Corre to set up a tag match at WM ... just my opinion ...
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      And The Rock single handidly showed us the pathetic shell that the WWE has become in the past decade. Everyone has become so accustomed to mediocrity that they've started thinking guys like Shaemus, Miz and Ziggler are main event material.


    This is the worst false equivalency I've seen in a long, long time. There are two guys in the history of pro-wrestling who could be considered to have the same level of charisma and star wattage of The Rock. Faulting Miz, Sheamus and Dolph Ziggler for not being generation-defining global cross-over megastars is straight-up dumb.


My criticism isn't so much for them as it is all of the fans who act like they are these top level guys. They are top level guys by default. My point was that newer fans, and fans who have just forgot don't even realise how low the bar has been set.

Sheamus is a solid hand, but he's nothing special. Stick him in the Attitude era, and he wouldn't have been as high up on the card as Kane.

Miz has shown tons of improvement, and has potential, but isn't even in the same league as guys like Rock or Austin.

Ziggles...well, he just sucks.
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Ziggles...well, he just sucks.


All right, all right. You don't like Dolph Ziggler. We get it.

You know who I don't like? Prepare to be shocked: John Morrison. I just don't like this guy. I'm not knocking his talent, I just don't like him.

Last night, I found his angry tough guy scowls and glares even more grating than his usual happy smiley faces. I started LOLing when he took off his shades to show his badly made up "bruises". Oooh, he's so ANGRY! Look out, heels! John Morrison is most displeased!

I don't buy he can beat people up no matter how much he furrows his brow and snarls his pearly whites. And he throws THE WORST PUNCHES this side of Randy Orton.

F Morrison. A WWE Title match with The Miz at WrestleMania 27? Don't be ridiculous.



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.75
I still don't get it.

Cena's humor is bad but The Rock making fun of Cena for wearing brightly colored clothing is comedic genius?

The Rock is so awesome! He says "ass"! (That's why I watch R rated movies, because they say "ass" a lot!)

Maybe next week he can beat up Alex Riley so everyone can spout off about how awesome the People's Elbow is and how much better it is than the stupid Five Knuckle Shuffle.

And saying that Dolph Ziggler and Sheamus aren't in the same league as The Rock is like claiming that Lebron James can't hold a candle to Mickey Mantle. It's not even the same game.
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
    Originally posted by InVerse
    I still don't get it.

    Cena's humor is bad but The Rock making fun of Cena for wearing brightly colored clothing is comedic genius?

    The Rock is so awesome! He says "ass"! (That's why I watch R rated movies, because they say "ass" a lot!)

    Maybe next week he can beat up Alex Riley so everyone can spout off about how awesome the People's Elbow is and how much better it is than the stupid Five Knuckle Shuffle.

    And saying that Dolph Ziggler and Sheamus aren't in the same league as The Rock is like claiming that Lebron James can't hold a candle to Mickey Mantle. It's not even the same game.


You know its bad when even I think this maybe the most incoherent post of the day. God Lord, people just glad to see someone like the caliber of the Rock back and with a lot of energy. Don't get all huffy, because he makes wrestlers you like look bland.
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by InVerse
    And saying that Dolph Ziggler and Sheamus aren't in the same league as The Rock is like claiming that Lebron James can't hold a candle to Mickey Mantle. It's not even the same game.


Um...actually it is the EXACT same game.

Your analogy is comparing to athletes from 2 different sports, from two widely different eras. I'm comparing athletes from the same sport with less than a decade seperating them.
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.75
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

    Um...actually it is the EXACT same game.

    Your analogy is comparing to athletes from 2 different sports, from two widely different eras. I'm comparing athletes from the same sport with less than a decade seperating them.


No, it's not the same game. If Cena were around during the attitude era, he could have easily went toe-to-toe with The Rock. The Cena we see today isn't limited by his talent, he's limited by the environment. Go back and watch the heel promos Cena used to cut on Brock. If The Rock were to have come into the business in the past few years, rather than when he did, he wouldn't be half the star he is.
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

      Um...actually it is the EXACT same game.

      Your analogy is comparing to athletes from 2 different sports, from two widely different eras. I'm comparing athletes from the same sport with less than a decade seperating them.


    No, it's not the same game. If Cena were around during the attitude era, he could have easily went toe-to-toe with The Rock. The Cena we see today isn't limited by his talent, he's limited by the environment. Go back and watch the heel promos Cena used to cut on Brock. If The Rock were to have come into the business in the past few years, rather than when he did, he wouldn't be half the star he is.


A better analogy would be you can't compare Ruth to A-Rod. Rock has natural charisma and a good look, he was always going to be a star. Now, he might have gotten buried under the HHH factor the mid-2000s or the terrible promo writing of the writers of today, but I still think he would champ and popular. Of course, now a days anyone can be champ due to injuries, brand splits and so on. Cena could have survived Attitude Era, but he would be the New Age Outlaws. Says bad words, has good promos and the fans like him yet the wrestling is not there.

In Attitude Era you needed to carry matches and survive matches by the skin of your teeth ie look realistic, Super-Cena would have killed all of that. Cena still to this day needs to learn how to sell especially at the end of a match. ECW and WCW fans would have been all over him with his style. I am not sure if he would have been able to survive in a locker with Shawn and Hunter's egos at full blast let alone Taker's sense of entitlement and the rest of the old school boys who are no longer there. Cena would have been mid-card then probably moved up once Austin, Rock, Foley and others left much like the way it happened before.

Rock started off as being a hated face and then become a Wrestling Legend. So, he already faced a rather rough start from the get-go and I am sure it would be the same if not actually better for him in PG era. He knows when to tone it back, last night was about remembering who he was and why we cheered for him. He said bad words, I am sure more parents are upset the homo kiss between Regal and Ryder then "ass" or "sonvabitch".
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I am sure more parents are upset the homo kiss between Regal and Ryder then "ass" or "sonvabitch".
Ah yes, a peck on the cheek is considered "homo".


What year is this again?
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
    Originally posted by Broncolanche
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I am sure more parents are upset the homo kiss between Regal and Ryder then "ass" or "sonvabitch".
    Ah yes, a peck on the cheek is considered "homo".


    What year is this again?


We still the South in America, don't we? Time is meaningless down there.
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
    Originally posted by InVerse
    If The Rock were to have come into the business in the past few years, rather than when he did, he wouldn't be half the star he is.

His exposure would have been different (i.e., less) but there's no reason to think his talent wouldn't be the same.

If you're just talking about level of fame, fine, I doubt anyone would disagree with you. But if your "not the same game" remark means anything more than that, you're just plain wrong.

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Since: 23.6.10
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

      Um...actually it is the EXACT same game.

      Your analogy is comparing to athletes from 2 different sports, from two widely different eras. I'm comparing athletes from the same sport with less than a decade seperating them.


    No, it's not the same game. If Cena were around during the attitude era, he could have easily went toe-to-toe with The Rock. The Cena we see today isn't limited by his talent, he's limited by the environment. Go back and watch the heel promos Cena used to cut on Brock. If The Rock were to have come into the business in the past few years, rather than when he did, he wouldn't be half the star he is.


When did I say Cena? I think there are two guys that easily could have thrived in the Attitude Era. CM Punk and Cena. Then only reason people hate on Cena is because he is the face of the WWE and has to carry their water. Thus you have happy go lucky purple and orange Supercena who says poopy. The guy has talent though. Just the fact that he is over as he is with that bland gimmick shows he's got the chops.

As for the rest, I stand by my opinion.


Side Note: Punk Vs. Cena was a really good match and I think we'd be talking about it a lot more if this had been an average show. Huge mistake not going with Punk Vs Cena as the Mania main event unless they pull Rock Vs Cena out of thin air.
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
I kind of get InVerse's point, but I think a better example (even without the exact correct timeline) is the post-Jordan NBA in the late '90s/early '00s. The NBA was coming off a super-run of Magic/Larry, the Bad Boys Pistons, the Bulls. Then all of those guys were gone and there was a big void. Sure, they were still playing NBA basketball and there was still a pecking order of the best players and teams, but nobody really thought those teams could keep with the stars and best teams from back in the day.

The same thing kind of applies here. Sure, I love the Miz and Sheamus and Morrison and all of these guys and they are GOOD, but could I say that they are ask good as HBK, Stone Cold, the Rock, and Jericho (and Benoit, and Eddy, and on and on) from ten years ago? Of course, not. So in that respect, the bar has been lowered some, and while there's nothing wrong with the guys today they aren't quite reaching that peak that their earlier generation did.

The thing of course, is that - at least PROMO-wise - what you had last night was 1993-MJ showing up in a Spurs/Pistons 2001 NBA game and dropping 60 on everyone while making everyone realize how much the bar HAS been lowered. Hopefully the Rock being around gets some guys to raise their games accordingly.



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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.78
On F4W today:

"-- The monitors backstage were sold out, as they say, last night for Rock's promo. It was noted that a lot of the wrestlers are young enough to have not been in WWE when Rock was a regular, so this was a really special thing for him"

Phrased oddly, but made me think, who from the current roster was around at any point The Rock appeared live in the building, which last was a Diva Search segment in the summer of 2004. (He did the 2008 HOF and pre-taped segments before the Battle of the Billionaires and the 10th anniversary of Smackdown, of course.) It seems like it's less "a lot of" and more "almost all."

- John Cena
- Randy Orton
- The Big Show
- Edge
- Christian
- Rey Mysterio
- William Regal
- Mark Henry
- John Morrison was around as Eric Bischoff apprentice Johnny Nitro
- Kane, duh

And Triple H and Undertaker count too I guess.

I know what you're thinking, but Michelle McCool had already been eliminated by the time of the pie-eating contest.
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#59 Posted on
    Originally posted by InVerse
    Cena's humor is bad but The Rock making fun of Cena for wearing brightly colored clothing is comedic genius?



      Cena's humor used to be good when he was doing his weekly rap battles; somehow, somewhere, there was a decision to change that... and therefore the perception changed. He had the "attitude" before; unfortunately now it's so sugar-coated that it's only going to take you so far.

      It's not just that, though, that made last night's promo one for the ages; it's how Rock paced it, included the crowd more than just a cheap pop.

      I'm curious to see how he'll fare with Cena Light, Punk and The Miz when it comes to promos.

      (edited by Teppan-Yaki on 15.2.11 1909)


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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
You know what I liked best about The Rock's promo?

The part about being grateful to the fans, and the business as a whole seemed so genuine and heartfelt on his part. That was good to see.
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