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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.97
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Isn't basing pushes on looks exactly what most of us hate about Vince's usual M.O.?


Questioning Vince, is what he hates most about us.

(edited by lotjx on 26.1.11 1217)
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#42 Posted on
Really, all they'd need to do is change the spelling from "Ziggler" to "Ziegler", and you have a fairly normal last name for Dolph.

(edited by Kei Posiskunk on 26.1.11 1319)





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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00

Is Miz less physically intimidating than

Jericho, Punk, Eddy or even Flair?

I remember being amazed at just how short both Eddy and Benoit were when I met them at the Pillman show in 2000. It's one thing to know a guy is 5'6" to 5'8" but another to be standing next them and seeing it in person.





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#44 Posted on

    I don't think the Bellas can work heel. They're really good-looking, which always makes it harder, and they aren't Trish enough to overcome that.

Did you watch any of NXT3? Because Nikki showed she can definitely play a heel.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.35
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad


    I thought Dibiase sucked back during the Legacy days and I don't think he's improved at all. Speaking of Billy Gunn, he's the Billy Gunn/Lex Luger of today for my money.








I'll bash his post '92 and especially his post '97 work, but DiBiase Jr. is not even in the league of a young Lex Luger. You could see the 'it' factor in a young Luger even in his rookie days in Florida, you can't see it in DiBiase. Now, doing a lot of work with Flair/Steamboat/Sting and Barry motherfucking Windham in that early portion of his career had a great deal to do with it, but people did care about Luger, until he became a joke with the heel/face turns. The fans have cared about DiBiase Jr once, and that was the night he backed down from Orton when the crowd was ready to explode for him. Since then, zilch.
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#46 Posted on
    Originally posted by spf
    Is Miz any less physically imposing than this year's headline inductee into the WWE Hall of Fame?

While Shawn was definitely not a tough guy, he was also not really a World Champ for most of his career. He had one long reign in 1996 that really didn't draw that well ratings-wise (though he had the horrid luck of running up against the groundbreaking nWo angle) and he never really held the belt much after that. Won it at Rumble '97, lost his smile a month later. Got it at Surviror Series '97, and kept it till Mania XIV, so about five months. Only world title he ever touched after that was another one month reign in 2002. So using him as an example, I think, goes to my point in that he was more effective as a draw out of that World Champion role than he ever was in it.


    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Currently, he's the classic weasel heel, down to the lackey he demands to fight his foes (and finish his catchphrase!). I refer to HonkyTonk Man and his legendary IC title reign. I think Miz is right in that formula, except he's better on the mic.

I certainly concede the point that it worked for Honky Tonk Man, who also had zero athletic ability. But I would never have ever made Honky Tonk Man the WWF Champion, and essentally that's the difference here.

    Originally posted by odessasteps
    Is Miz less physically intimidating than Jericho, Punk, Eddy or even Flair...I remember being amazed at just how short both Eddy and Benoit were when I met them.

I feel like we're getting away from not believing someone in the ring to purely talking about someone's look, and I was more going toward the former than the latter. Jericho, Eddie, Flair and Benoit were all among the elite workers of their generations. Flair being not imposing and squeaking out cheap wins had serious implications for how the NWA Champion was perceived v.s. the WWF Champion (Hogan never lost). I would also say Punk is more credible, as I bought him in matches with Taker. Now, to talk about size, I never believed a single thing Psycho Sid did inside the ring, and he was a huge huge man. So it's not stricly a matter of how physically imposing you are. Jericho's weasel title run is the closest to Miz's, and it turned out pretty badly from what I remember. It was really only about 2008 that Jericho became a true top guy after the feud of the year with Shawn.

No Spiff, I didn't see any NXT, but if you're right about Nikki, I look forward to being proven wrong.



(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 26.1.11 1204)


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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.30
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    You could see the 'it' factor in a young Luger even in his rookie days in Florida, you can't see it in DiBiase.


Hokey smoke, Luger was a superstar when he walked in the door in Atlanta. His on-air free-agent deliberations leading to signing with the Horsemen was like LeBron's decision to leave Cleveland.



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    Is Miz less physically intimidating than

    Jericho, Punk, Eddy or even Flair?

    I remember being amazed at just how short both Eddy and Benoit were when I met them at the Pillman show in 2000. It's one thing to know a guy is 5'6" to 5'8" but another to be standing next them and seeing it in person.




Benoit and Eddy were jacked out of their skulls. I'm 6'4 and if I see a guy with their height and frame holding that kind of muscle mass I'm going to be a little bit leery because they clearly aren't all there. Never underestimate crazy
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by odessasteps

      Is Miz less physically intimidating than

      Jericho, Punk, Eddy or even Flair?

      I remember being amazed at just how short both Eddy and Benoit were when I met them at the Pillman show in 2000. It's one thing to know a guy is 5'6" to 5'8" but another to be standing next them and seeing it in person.




    Benoit and Eddy were jacked out of their skulls. I'm 6'4 and if I see a guy with their height and frame holding that kind of muscle mass I'm going to be a little bit leery because they clearly aren't all there. Never underestimate crazy


Well, we know that's true in at least one of those examples; but hadn't Eddie been clean for quite a few years?
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
After his death, it was said Eddie was "clean by the standards of professional wrestling" and not clean in the absolute sense.



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Clean of alcohol and hard drugs, it's believed so.
Clean of painkillers, not after his back injury got worse in 2004.
Clean of steroids, not even a little bit.
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#52 Posted on
Apropos of nothing, I just realized yesterday that "Corre" is also Spanish for the directive of "Run." I wonder if that ever gets brought up.
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.80
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    Apropos of nothing, I just realized yesterday that "Corre" is also Spanish for the directive of "Run." I wonder if that ever gets brought up.
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#54 Posted on
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Lawler doesn't like fat jokes at Natalya's expense, but does them to Vickie? That's arbitrary.


Noting arbitrary about it. Vickie actually is fat (and mean), Nattie is neither.

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Cena abusing his power was cute at first, but it got old fast. The whole non-finish is absolutely indicative of everything that is wrong with WWE today.


Totally agreed. It was fun and made sense to throw out the Corre/Nexxus guys, as was having Cena attack Wade/Punk and them being unable to retaliate. But to DQ for using foul language doesn't even make sense (like DQing them for being ugly), let alone the not delivering the main.



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by Moss


    Noting arbitrary about it. Vickie actually is fat (and mean), Nattie is neither.



I wouldn't even call Vickie "fat" at this point.
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