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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
My only problem with Dolph Ziggler is his name being a play off of a fictional movie character.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.12
    Originally posted by Broncolanche
    My only problem with Dolph Ziggler is his name being a play off of a fictional movie character.


My only problem with Stone Cold Steve Austin is he's named after a fictional TV character.

My only problem with Hulk Hogan is he's named after a fictional comic book character.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Hey if you like that his name is derived from "Dirk Diggler, Porn Star" then good for you, John Orquiola :^)
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by Broncolanche
    My only problem with Dolph Ziggler is his name being a play off of a fictional movie character.

I agree, and I love the movie. His hair sucks too.




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    YES.


Nice. I'm really proud of the work we've been doing.


    I'm intrigued by Michael Tarver's new gimmick of being a random background figure.


Michael Tarver = the wrestling observer


    I hope someone doesn't mind me stealing their line, but WWE really has some small plans for Dolph Ziggler. Or the whole SmackDown title in it's entirety.


It's days like these when you understand why Edge never wants anything to do with Raw. It's kind of pathetic.

They did manage the restraint of not having Nexus and El Correo brawl two weeks after their formation. Please have Zeke and Mason Ryan talk more though, totally makes them sound tough.


    It feels like there's at least 25% chance that's the end of Melina.


After almost 3 years as a face, turns heel with one random slap. Named #1 contender then gets pinned clean in a tag by some third party. Longest tenured girl who isn't a Calloway on the roster by a couple years. Mickie James already gone for not going with the flow. It's an inevitability.


    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I seriously thought we were getting a WECW Merger-style reboot tonight, with a huge Nexus family reunion. And I thought it was going to end with the GM teasing he would reveal his identity and the Master Plan next week.


Yep, I was expecting a similar "oh shit, our lives!" denouement the night Punk joined Nexus. Surely this is all going to peak just before Wrestlemania and pay off with something worthwhile that really sets things in motion and plays into Undertaker's as well as other top WM matches. Right? I mean, maybe. This was all part of a much larger purpose, goddamnit.


    Originally posted by Matt
    Harris's finisher doesn't make sense for a guy of his girth. It also didn't make sense when Mike Knox used it. It's the Mic Check. It doesn't exploit his size at all.


He also does a big fat flopping senton.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.30
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    He also does a big fat flopping senton.


When McGiliicutty is yelling "finish it" over and over, and Marella's partner is out of commission, he had all day to hit a hokey-smoke finisher. Instead we get the Knox Out. Sadness.

But kudos for eschewing the traditional big-boy singlet for Harris.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Just because there is a popularity opinion of a guy doesn't make it right. Billy Gunn was the heir apparent in 1998-99.


    The only person who thought that at the time was Vince McMahon. No one else (especially Austin, who basically said "screw this noise" to the idea) thought he was anything more than a solid mid-card/tag-team guy.

    Popular opinion at the time was that they were bat-shit insane if they thought Billy Gunn was going to be a main event guy. Popular opinion was right then too.


That is revisionist history. PWI put him and Shamrock as the only people left to face Austin for the belt due to their fan reaction after Taker. They even had both of them on Raw main event for the title. Billy Gunn could have been world champ for a day like Kane if he turned heel on DX, but there was more money to be made as being part of a stable then him on his own. Yes, Billy would have been a bad choice, but the fans could see him as championship material and not all fans especially in the late 90s were those online.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    That is revisionist history. PWI put him and Shamrock as the only people left to face Austin for the belt due to their fan reaction after Taker.


PWI's actual function was to revise history. They did not conduct a survey to determine who was more popular, they just put together a random list and moved on to the next thing. There's zero credibility there.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.30
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Yes, Billy would have been a bad choice, but the fans could see him as championship material and not all fans especially in the late 90s were those online.


They certainly gave him enough gimmicks to hook an audience: Smoking Gun, Rockabilly, Bad Ass, Mister Ass, The One. he might have been the first guy I saw to use the Gunslinger/One and Only move (the swinging uranage).

I think he peaked with the Kiss My Ass match with Rock. Had he go over then, yeah, he would have been in the main-event conversation.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Yes, Billy would have been a bad choice, but the fans could see him as championship material and not all fans especially in the late 90s were those online.


    They certainly gave him enough gimmicks to hook an audience: Smoking Gun, Rockabilly, Bad Ass, Mister Ass, The One. he might have been the first guy I saw to use the Gunslinger/One and Only move (the swinging uranage).

    I think he peaked with the Kiss My Ass match with Rock. Had he go over then, yeah, he would have been in the main-event conversation.


That was intended to be his big breakthrough match as a main event heel, but he was so unover and uninspiring in the lead-up and the match that they gave up and put the New Age Outlaws back together. The next night he was a punchline in a promo about people Rock had been wasting his time with.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
As badly as Billy Gunn gets bashed as a singles wrestler, he was fairly solid as a tag team wrestler. He'd be in a lot of trouble in today's landscape.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    As badly as Billy Gunn gets bashed as a singles wrestler, he was fairly solid as a tag team wrestler. He'd be in a lot of trouble in today's landscape.




You're right on both counts. It's actually a shame that tag teams have been so devalued by WWE. Think about Bobby Eaton - he's a guy that most Internet wrestling fans who are of a certain (ok, around my) age really, really like. He was a tremendous tag team wrestler, but given his lack of physique or anything else really memorable and he wouldn't even be cannon fodder by today's standards.



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#33 Posted on
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    He also does a big fat flopping senton.


Witch is killer the way he get up in the air. If he just jumps and lands on you with his back, its ok. But when it looks like he's trying to run up in the air with it, and his pelvis gets higher than his head, thats the way it shoul always be. Its why I started pulling for him in Nexus 2 season.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      What the hell does everyone see in Ziggler? He sounds like a 12 year old boy, looks like everyone else in the E, has the worst name in the business, and is ripping off an angle that is less than 2 years old.


    He's a great wrestler with lots of heel charisma. Using your criteria, AJ Styles sounds like an inbred hick, looks like a create-a-wrestler before anyone's bother to add any features, and keeps on ripping HIMSELF off by joining giant heel stables and eventually becoming their plucky underdog fall guy.

    It amazes me how, no matter the popularity/success of a wrestler, there's always someone who steadfastly refuses to grant the popular opinion of them the time of day.


AJ sucks as a heel, but is still better at promos than Ziggler because he at least sounds like he has pubes.

Where is all this "heel charisma" Ziggler has?? There is nothing about this kid that makes me think of Curt Hennig in any way. I'll give you that he has promise in the ring, but he ain't the next Austin or Perfect or other inane comparisons.
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#35 Posted on
Miz is the "most must see blah" but he can't even main event a Raw as the WWE Champ vs the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. And he loses out to Cena as a referee.



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#36 Posted on


I will put throw my hat in with the Dolph lovers. Ever since his fantastic Summerslam opener with Rey-Rey, which I think was '09's edition, and his excellent run of matches on Smackdown for most of the last two years, I've always believed he could step up. Is he going to be a guy you build around? I don't see that, but he can certainly be an important role player, and he's surely no less deserving of a short world title run than Seamus or Swagger were. As for his voice, Dusty Rhodes sounded like a gay sheriff his whole life, and became a legend. And Undertaker's voice is changed with special effects to be more manly, which you'd know if you'd ever seen Suburban Commando.

This show kind of sucked. I'm not sure if Barrett and the Core are to be taken as faces, but they were positioned that way until the end of the show. You really have to establish a vibe for these guys or they'll just get silence, like they did tonight.

Miz was pretty underwhelming in the ring. That does not look like a guy who should be anywhere near a Mania main. I know the era of "this guy could really kick some ass" being World Champ criteria is over, but I can't think of another WWE Champ I honestly think I could take in a fight, other than Vince, who doesn't count.

Lawler doesn't like fat jokes at Natalya's expense, but does them to Vickie? That's arbitrary. That being said, I can't believe Laycool is Mickie Jamesing Nattie. Really, some people should be beyond that sort of approach. Don't they have any other way to get heat? Can't Michelle just go back to looking bored as fuck sitting next to the Undertaker at UFC shows?

Zeke's accent sounds made-up.

Daniel Bryan nailing Gail to heel the Bellas? I don't think the Bellas can work heel. They're really good-looking, which always makes it harder, and they aren't Trish enough to overcome that.

I thought Dibiase sucked back during the Legacy days and I don't think he's improved at all. Speaking of Billy Gunn, he's the Billy Gunn/Lex Luger of today for my money.

Cena abusing his power was cute at first, but it got old fast. The whole non-finish is absolutely indicative of everything that is wrong with WWE today. Spiraling_Shape asked what the point of stipulations are if they won't happen. That's the thing. The people in charge apparently know so little about wrestling they've basically given up on selling shows any other way. 2010 was the year of stipulations that don't pan out and gimmick matches done two or three times on one PPV. Nothing means anything. You'd swear Russo was back. Then you have tonight: no one with any kind of wrestling smarts would build an entire show around a match that's not even going to happen. It's just gimmicky dog shit. It would have been perfectly fine to finish hour one with that and then deliver an actual match to close the show, but this was the definition of burning your fans. You invest two hours in the show and want to see the main event, which is different and has major consequences. Not only do the consequences not come into play, but there isn't even a match. Vince seems to have lost all his instincts for star making and promoting wrestling. It's really astounding.





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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.69
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad


    Miz was pretty underwhelming in the ring. That does not look like a guy who should be anywhere near a Mania main. I know the era of "this guy could really kick some ass" being World Champ criteria is over, but I can't think of another WWE Champ I honestly think I could take in a fight, other than Vince, who doesn't count.




Vince would totally beat you up. ;)

Miz, not so much.

I agree, however, that if you're going to promote a main event, deliver the main event. This is not 1999-2000 WCW.

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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Miz was pretty underwhelming in the ring. That does not look like a guy who should be anywhere near a Mania main. I know the era of "this guy could really kick some ass" being World Champ criteria is over, but I can't think of another WWE Champ I honestly think I could take in a fight, other than Vince, who doesn't count.


Is Miz any less physically imposing than this year's headline inductee into the WWE Hall of Fame?





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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.30
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Miz was pretty underwhelming in the ring. That does not look like a guy who should be anywhere near a Mania main. I know the era of "this guy could really kick some ass" being World Champ criteria is over, but I can't think of another WWE Champ I honestly think I could take in a fight, other than Vince, who doesn't count.



This gets us into the "heat vs. X-Pac heat" realm, but I think Miz's lack of intimidation sells the title run. If he was another imposing figure and behaved the same way, he'd be a bully. Currently, he's the classic weasel heel, down to the lackey he demands to fight his foes (and finish his catchphrase!). I refer to HonkyTonk Man and his legendary IC title reign. I think Miz is right in that formula, except he's better on the mic.





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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Isn't basing pushes on looks exactly what most of us hate about Vince's usual M.O.?
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