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#41 Posted on
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    SPOILER ALERT - from the local ads - Raw will be in Louisville Dec 6 (I will be in Milwaukee :( )


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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
WWE has advertised that match on house shows and as dark matches for TV tapings for many (all RAW?) shows for the next few months. But those usually change multiple times.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.66
    Originally posted by lotjx
    RVD was the only one honorable enough to at least warn the champ ahead of time.


Actually, that's something I liked about this. Orton wasn't knocked out, he didn't just finish a ladder match or something....we was fully aware of what was going on. As soon as AWWWWWWWESOME came up you could see Orton's face; and I gotta give props; Orton's facial reactions were great. He knew why that music started, and did a great job of conveying the emotions of the moment.

As for the Miz celebrating as if he is a face; he just won the WWE championship! I think he's entitled to celebrate as if he just accomplished something.


Funny thing;

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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.93
    Originally posted by odessasteps
    Punk burying Riley for his DUI was excellent.
Quote of the night, easily. I bet Striker angrily threw down "references I gotta wedge in somewhere" notepad as soon as heard Punk say Riley "must be under the influence!"

I've actually sort of come around to being a huge Alex Riley fan. Once he dumped the 30 year old high school student gimmick and saved the NXT Trivia contest segment ("I'm workin' on it!"), I've begun looking forward to his appearances. Either intentionally (using the potential of snacks to lure members onto Team Miz, his elaborate greetings to Cole), unintentionally (helping ruin the NXT 2 finale to the point that it no longer exists and other random screw-ups) or by things out of his control (Punk being completely baffled by Cole's A-Bomb from A-Ri call), Alex Riley on TV has been consistently leading to something entertaining.

On Punk at the commentary table - I actually thought this was kind of a lesser effort from Punk compared to his NXT debut, but it was still good and should get even better. It was kind of interesting that he started off being incredibly (a little too much, to be honest) antagonistic to Lawler before backing off and changing things up as they went along. I wonder if someone told him to switch it up from the truck. He does strike a needed balance between the King, now the default face, and Cole, the guy who likes "cool" heels, as Punk is a heel who sticks up for the technical wrestlers regardless of their alliance.

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    Glad you posted the pic of the Child of Satan laying a curse on Miz. Better actress than Rey Rey's little girl. Almost
They should go with an All Kids line-up for NXT Season 4. Rey's daughter, Miz Hater and the kid HBK superkicked last year would be a fine core group to build around. They could call it NXT Jr. or NXT 4 Kids.

Biggest missed opportunity of the night: When the choked-up Cena mentioned Billy Kidman, they should have cut backstage to Kidman, who would appear to be wiping a tear from his eyes, but it would turn out he was just scratching himself.
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    As for the Miz celebrating as if he is a face; he just won the WWE championship! I think he's entitled to celebrate as if he just accomplished something.


I meant that he was openly emotional. Not just celebratory but near tears. He wasn't smug. He wasn't disdainful. He was victorious after a clean win. I felt good for him as a wrestling fan. And we immediately saw shocked children, which gave off a distinctly mixed message.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.49
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      As for the Miz celebrating as if he is a face; he just won the WWE championship! I think he's entitled to celebrate as if he just accomplished something.


    I meant that he was openly emotional. Not just celebratory but near tears. He wasn't smug. He wasn't disdainful. He was victorious after a clean win. I felt good for him as a wrestling fan. And we immediately saw shocked children, which gave off a distinctly mixed message.


Unless they are going to transition him to being a face, they need to do something to counteract the emotions of winning the WWE title. Because, really, I think almost anyone whose worked that hard to get to the top would almost break down crying.

Showing shocked kids may send a mixed message, but if they showed cheering people then the Miz clearly wold have been a face, which they probably don't want to do yet.

Also, the image of shocked children also could have been used to underscore how shocking a moment this was, and that this truly could be (we hope) a dawning of a new era.



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      As for the Miz celebrating as if he is a face; he just won the WWE championship! I think he's entitled to celebrate as if he just accomplished something.


    I meant that he was openly emotional. Not just celebratory but near tears. He wasn't smug. He wasn't disdainful. He was victorious after a clean win. I felt good for him as a wrestling fan. And we immediately saw shocked children, which gave off a distinctly mixed message.


Yep, he did all that, and just before they cut to black, he caught hizzelf and got a bit of a smirk on that mug again. That's the mark of a champion!
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
This has really been the year of the Miz, so I think we forget how unlikely this seemed about a couple years ago. Miz winning the world title didn't seem a remote possibility until his US title run (and/or the promo he did versus MVP where he talked all the way from the locker room to the ring.)

All the other people in the main event angle - Cena, Orton, even Barrett - were picked out early on as future top guys of WWE. Miz was just supposed to be a guy. Maybe even not that much; go back a year or two farther, and he wouldn't have been a big surprise to be part of a big cut day like WWE just had. If Joey Mercury had not taken a ladder in the face (and then took a lot of pain killers) and John Morrison had not needed a replacement partner, the Miz may be back on Real World/Road Rules Challenge. Miz did get that spot and made a whole lot of out it.

At some point, Miz realized he was back on a TV show and needed to be a character*, but he more than earned the right to be deliriously happy for his moment.

* unfortunately for Mr. Riley, I guess he forget he was on a TV show with microphones and a PG rating. Though his adjective was pretty much right.



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.12
I'm glad for the Miz and think he will/could be one hell of a champion.

I also loved the look on the face of that girl. That's what this moment was supposed to make a "real" fan feal. Her face says it all. AWESOME!!

Only problem I see, after this amazing RAW, is this: What happens to Wade Barret and his WWE title run now? I hope he'll recover, after losing all of those title matches. Otherwise he could end up as a new age Vader.

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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.72
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    If Joey Mercury had not taken a ladder in the face (and then took a lot of pain killers) and John Morrison had not needed a replacement partner, the Miz may be back on Real World/Road Rules Challenge. Miz did get that spot and made a whole lot of out it.
Nit-pick: Miz & Morrison started teaming up as the wacky team that hates each other (as they had been part of a three-way feud with Punk for the ECW title), and only won because they were facing a wackier team that hated each other more (MVP & Matt Hardy); this was almost a year later.



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I'm thinking of April 2, 2007, when Miz was a guy who had to be shoehorned into a (second) 10 tag team battle royal. ECW was just about to start so he probably wasn't that close to being cut, but when you're that on the edge of the roster, making on RAW helps (reaching...)



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
Off topic a bit, but would we say that Mike Mizanin is the most successful Real World alumnus? Probably arguable between him and Sean Duffy (from Real World Boston, now a congressman).
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
    Originally posted by The Goon
    Off topic a bit, but would we say that Mike Mizanin is the most successful Real World alumnus? Probably arguable between him and Sean Duffy (from Real World Boston, now a congressman).


Over Judd Winnick, one of DC's house writers? Yeah.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.91
Forgot to mention the South Park-referencing sign that appeared early in the show, re: Cena. "THEY TOOK HIS JOB"

    Originally posted by The Goon
    Off topic a bit, but would we say that Mike Mizanin is the most successful Real World alumnus? Probably arguable between him and Sean Duffy (from Real World Boston, now a congressman).


Judd Winnick has been one of DC Comics' top writers for years...that still doesn't beat a Congressman or being an AWESOME! champ though.



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.64
Judd did do the pen the story to the incredible Batman:Red Hood DVD, so he at least has that going for him. I would think being elected to Congress is probably a bigger deal then winning a championship on a TV show that has another championship on a different show. After watching the Rise and Fall of WCW, I am wondering if people will view Miz, the same way the view David Arquette ie a celebrity world champ. I hope not, but the fact that TMZ is making a big deal out of this has me concerned.
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    Forgot to mention the South Park-referencing sign that appeared early in the show, re: Cena. "THEY TOOK HIS JOB"

      Originally posted by The Goon
      Off topic a bit, but would we say that Mike Mizanin is the most successful Real World alumnus? Probably arguable between him and Sean Duffy (from Real World Boston, now a congressman).


    Judd Winnick has been one of DC Comics' top writers for years...that still doesn't beat a Congressman or being an AWESOME! champ though.

What about Jamie Chung, star of the upcoming Sucker Punch and Hangover 2? She's at least more fun to look at.



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.84

    All the other people in the main event angle - Cena, Orton, even Barrett - were picked out early on as future top guys of WWE.

Wasn't it reported that Cena was in danger of being released, but debuting the rapper gimmick & running with it saving him?

EDIT: also, http://www.wwe.com/​superstars/​wwealumni/​johncena

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#58 Posted on
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2010/11/23/the-miz-wwe-champion/

Nice to see MTV celebrating Miz's WWE Championship too.

By the way, I couldn't be happier for Miz and to have Miz as WWE Champion. Probably the greatest career turnaround from joke to superstar ever. Also, one of the fastest. And his career trajectory is even sweeter because he came up the "right way": tag team champion, US Champion, Money in the Bank winner, WWE Champion. I think the last guy to do it that way was Edge. And to think a year and a half ago, I hated Miz and wrote him off as a never-will-be. He's spent all of 2010 not only proving me happily wrong but winning me over to his side from the quality of his work.

Best RAW of the year last night, I think. Every segment was good, commentary was terrific, and the ending was perfect. (Unless you're 11.)





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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      All the other people in the main event angle - Cena, Orton, even Barrett - were picked out early on as future top guys of WWE.

    Wasn't it reported that Cena was in danger of being released, but debuting the rapper gimmick & running with it saving him?



It was, but he was given a big push in his WWE debut (and in OVW) - he would've gone down more like a guy who didn't fulfill his potential rather than one who didn't seem to have any.



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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.64
Well, Kevin Nash is one guy who does not think highly of this win via his twitter:

"WWE told the world that there sh*t is a work with the Miz as champ."

I think people have known that WWE is a work for years, but does anyone believe Nash may have a point? I expect the older more bitter guys like Nash to have this view, but I am more curious what Austin, JR, Flair and others who don't piss all over the business think. Personally, it was a great moment and I am a moment guy.
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