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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.30


I actually think Nexus is closer to the New Blood moreso than anything like the Horsemen, nWo, Evolution, or even...whatever the Orton/Rhodes/Dibiase thing was called. That was around when I stopped watching. They have a bunch of interchangeable no-names and most of them are too green to be trusted in big match situations, which is probably the reason why as so many have pointed out this angle hasn't produced a great match yet. I realize having a star in the stable negates the whole point of it, but none of those previous angles which popped ratings or sole merchandise had the obvious defect of plopping unknowns into a prominent, massive, angle that dominates all the TV. It was flawed notion from the start.

Also, are people really advocating for an Orton heel turn and a feud with Cena? It was just last year that they did that. I haven't skipped a Wrestlemania in my lifetime, but that might just do the trick.






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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.48
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Also, are people really advocating for an Orton heel turn and a feud with Cena? It was just last year that they did that. I haven't skipped a Wrestlemania in my lifetime, but that might just do the trick.



Hahaha really? In that case, I'm surprised you didn't stop watching WrestleMania altogether after WrestleMania 2000.
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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    They have a bunch of interchangeable no-names and most of them are too green to be trusted in big match situations, which is probably the reason why as so many have pointed out this angle hasn't produced a great match yet.



The two highest-profile Nexus matches at SummerSlam and Hell in a Cell were both "quite good" though. By current WWE standards that's "good enough"; Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho aren't walking through that door. Well Jericho might. Daniel Bryan is really the only guy going at an elite level in WWE (Rey would be next best, and Edge only goes all-out in important matches). Everybody else just works hard. That's pretty much the new standard.

Gabriel and Slater are the two whose wrestling they trust and not coincidentally they're just about the only two left and the two with belts. Gabriel gets all the big singles matches on Raw and Slater was the guy Bret Hart trusted to work with (every time Bret did something physical it was only with Slater). Ultimately the only point of Nexus is to get Wade Barrett over, the other guys are just the Flock to do run-ins for him.

    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    Speaking of Bret Hart, how come no one in the WWE Universe ever wonders what the hell happened to him after he just disappeared at the start of that match against The Undertaker?!?


Oh yeah. The GM said he never wanted to see Bret Hart on Raw again. And neither Bret nor anyone else cared. Bret was beamed into the Foley zone of "holy shit it's the legendary ____ back on Raw" to "oh he's out here again?" which is impressive to pull off in just eight months.
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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Chris Jericho: Conspiracy Victim did sod all for WCW's rating and merch, but it was still the best thing in WCW in 1998.

    (edited by Amos Cochran on 27.10.10 0922)


Truer words have not been spoken. Conspiracy Victim Jericho was the only reason I watched WCW in 1998. The storyline was great and the payoff was awesome. It was my favorite angle,either show, the whole year.



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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.89
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      They have a bunch of interchangeable no-names and most of them are too green to be trusted in big match situations, which is probably the reason why as so many have pointed out this angle hasn't produced a great match yet.



    The two highest-profile Nexus matches at SummerSlam and Hell in a Cell were both "quite good" though. By current WWE standards that's "good enough"; Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho aren't walking through that door. Well Jericho might. Daniel Bryan is really the only guy going at an elite level in WWE (Rey would be next best, and Edge only goes all-out in important matches). Everybody else just works hard. That's pretty much the new standard.









Isn't that the consequences of having most of your roster comprised of guys who were trained in the same method? Except for the rare guy who spends years in the indy circuit, most of the post-WCW era roster has gone through the farm system rather than through other companies.
And, I'd throw Punk into the elite level group when he is wrestling someone who isn't twice his size and is healthy.

(edited by redsoxnation on 27.10.10 2128)
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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.30
    Originally posted by Broncolanche
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Also, are people really advocating for an Orton heel turn and a feud with Cena? It was just last year that they did that. I haven't skipped a Wrestlemania in my lifetime, but that might just do the trick.



    Hahaha really? In that case, I'm surprised you didn't stop watching WrestleMania altogether after WrestleMania 2000.

After a few readings, I gotta admit I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. Is this something to do with repetitive talent mixes at the top?

Regardless, Orton and Cena had seven thousand matches last year, and another one for free on television less than a week ago. A heel turn for Orton accomplishes absolutely nothing. It just turns back the clock a year.

Justin, to echo Redsox, that's just the problem. A whole bunch of guys working the exact same style. CM Punk and Jeff Hardy were the best thing in wrestling last year, and neither of them came through "the system". This year, Danielson is the stand-out worker from what I've seen and again, it's because he works an organic style that is his as apposed to working the cookie-cutter style they bred the OVW-phytes to work.

Off topic, but does anyone know what criteria CM Punk met to be able to keep his indy name that Bryan Danielson didn't? Daniel Bryan is a stupid name, after all.





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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by HMD
    Justin, to echo Redsox, that's just the problem. A whole bunch of guys working the exact same style.


I do agree. Morrison, Kofi, and Ziggler are all talented and really athletic, for instance, but I don't know if they'll ever be able to develop into excellent all-around workers if they're homogeneous WWE guys for their entire careers. They're capable of having really good matches but only when they're matched with a seasoned, hybrid guy like Jericho or Mysterio.



    Off topic, but does anyone know what criteria CM Punk met to be able to keep his indy name that Bryan Danielson didn't? Daniel Bryan is a stupid name, after all.


He started in OVW and was called up to ECW when Paul Heyman was in charge of each so he got to keep his name both times because Heyman pushed for it.

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#68 Posted on
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      Off topic, but does anyone know what criteria CM Punk met to be able to keep his indy name that Bryan Danielson didn't? Daniel Bryan is a stupid name, after all.


    He started in OVW and was called up to ECW when Paul Heyman was in charge of each so he got to keep his name both times because Heyman pushed for it.

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 28.10.10 0952)


Plus it seems like when the FCW guys got called up for NXT 1 and 2, WWE made it a point to rename most of those guys. Same with the NXT3 girls to a lesser extent (Maxine and Kaitlyn got renamed while AJ and Naomi lost their surnames. Jamie was already known as the NXT2 announcer. Aksana stayed Aksana.)



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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.35
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      Off topic, but does anyone know what criteria CM Punk met to be able to keep his indy name that Bryan Danielson didn't? Daniel Bryan is a stupid name, after all.


    He started in OVW and was called up to ECW when Paul Heyman was in charge of each so he got to keep his name both times because Heyman pushed for it.
Isn't it a real name thing, too? "Bryan Danielson" is actually Bryan Danielson outside of wrestling, but "CM Punk" isn't CM Punk.



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