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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.42
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Vickie is horrible. And not in an effective heel way, in a turn the channel way. A good heel makes you want to see them get their ass kicked, not avoid the program altogether. I can't even stand watching her get humiliated.
Vickie ain't that bad, they just need to give us new reasons to hate her. Being fat, hugging up on young dudes, and yelling all screechy-like isnt enough anymore.



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Vickie is horrible.


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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.11
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Tyler Durden
      This really is the best storyline since Austin/Mc Mahon.


    I admit, I didn't see it coming and it has been a good story, but its not Austin/McMahon.



Just read my post again and this time carefully, please. I wrote "the best storyline SINCE Austin/Mc Mahon". I didn't say it's as good or better. But at least I can't think of any storyline SINCE Austin/Mc Mahon that was as good as this Nexus thing is right now.

And no, it never died at Summerslam. That's just what YOU thought it would do at that time.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.65
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
      Originally posted by lotjx
        Originally posted by Tyler Durden
        This really is the best storyline since Austin/Mc Mahon.


      I admit, I didn't see it coming and it has been a good story, but its not Austin/McMahon.



    Just read my post again and this time carefully, please. I wrote "the best storyline SINCE Austin/Mc Mahon". I didn't say it's as good or better. But at least I can't think of any storyline SINCE Austin/Mc Mahon that was as good as this Nexus thing is right now.

    And no, it never died at Summerslam. That's just what YOU thought it would do at that time.


McMahon/Helmsley is an underestimated story and had a bunch of great matches. I would put Invasion above this as well as the original split roster just for the first draft episode alone. The problem is minus Evolution and Edge/Vickie or JBL's reign, there has been no long term stories that encompass the company or a show. A lot of the stories are either a month long to get to the PPV or dragged out to three months and its usually only between two guys. Nexus is the first real storyline like it since Evolution where most of the roster of that show is involved. Also, those storylines did more harm then good anyway.

No, Nexus was dead after SummerSlam and to be fair only the shock booking of Cena joining them has kept them a float long enough to incorporate the NXT season 2 guys, so they are a force again. I also doubt I am the only one who thought that as well.

(edited by lotjx on 27.10.10 0655)
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.87
I hope you mean the McMahon-Helmsley regime, becuase McMahon/Helmsley - in both 1999 and 2006 - was an abortion. And even then, the regime was just a stable, not an overarching story. It did its thing in various feuds then fizzled out. Nexus Versus Fine Upstanding Citizen John Cena has been one cohesive story since that first attack, which was far more interesting than the disastrous first draft episode.

Not that I think you can judge the Nexus storyline in terms of significance just yet - perspective is a Helluva thing - but once again you go baffling places in your quest for contrariness.

(edited by Amos Cochran on 27.10.10 0737)
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.65
McMahon/Helmsley in 1999 was an arc. They took over Raw for almost six months. They had an incredible matches from HHH/Foley to the ten man tag in Texas to HHH/Rock iron man match. They pushed HHH, Jericho, the Radicals, Kurt, Kane, Too Cool and others. It give us awesome moments like Rock winning the Rumble, Kane coming back, Austin Deconstruction and the Radicals deputing. Rock became a hero instead of the egotistical jackass who fans sang along due to Rock N Sock. They were also doing good to great ratings and Rock's stuff was selling like hot cakes, he even hosted SNL during the run up to Mania.

As bad as you think that was, it was a giant success for the company considering they lost Austin and WCW acquired what the IWC thought was the brain children of Attitude Era, Russo and Ferrera before they put the belt on HHH . McMahon-Hemsley was the beginning of the end of WCW. They had enough room on their roster to get the Radicals as well put a dark storyline out there where the fans were emotional involved to see if Rock and Foley could beat the odds. WCW was doing JR jokes and had no clue what was going on. The story did have the same problem as the NWO where it should have ended at Backlash 2000 or at Judgment Day 2000. Even with the awful six man KOTR match, it ended with Rock holding the belt and Foley being Commish. It was the perfect ending.

I forgot about the 2006 version, so yeah, that sucked, I guess.


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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
Count me in as thinking Nexus was dead in September but jumpstarted again at HIAC. I think it still counts as a continuum. When it's all said and done, I do think Nexus will go down as one of the best main event angles of the Cena era done in the PG, overwritten WWE. That sounds like damning with faint praise, but considering how much content has been produced and starpower has been involved in that timeframe, it's actually saying a lot. I'd say Michaels/Jericho was the best feud in recent WWE history, but there's a difference between two guys having a great program and the defining direction of the show.

Foley and Rock vs. McMahon-Helmsey Faction from January to June is my favorite wrestling feud ever.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.87
McMahon/Helmsley, the late-1999 feud, was pretty rotten and din't contain any great matches.

The McMahon-Helmsley regime was good stuff and produced lots of great matches, but they weren't part of some lengthy cohesive story - it was just heel authority faction vs. babyfaces until it all fizzled out in July/August. Also, ridiculous Vince heel turn that ruined the WM2000 main event. Nexus has it beat in terms of freshness and storytelling.
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Also, ridiculous Vince heel turn that ruined the WM2000 main event. Nexus has it beat in terms of freshness and storytelling.


Vince's heel turn was a hiccup and a bad one but we should probably figure out the Raw GM and the higher purpose none of us could understand and the reason they buried Undertaker before we certify Nexus as hole-free. There was already that part when Vince had them beat up Bret Hart so he could fire Bret Hart after he hired Bret Hart and then they beat up Vince for someone else because of something.
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.65
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    McMahon/Helmsley, the late-1999 feud, was pretty rotten and din't contain any great matches.

    The McMahon-Helmsley regime was good stuff and produced lots of great matches, but they weren't part of some lengthy cohesive story - it was just heel authority faction vs. babyfaces until it all fizzled out in July/August. Also, ridiculous Vince heel turn that ruined the WM2000 main event. Nexus has it beat in terms of freshness and storytelling.


Rock/HHH from Backlash and Judgment Day were amazing matches as well Jericho/HHH where Jericho won the title. I will say the Vince heel turn at Mania was terrible as well as the match itself, but it like Nexus was saved by Austin coming back and Rock getting the one on one title shot at Backlash. I also don't understand why you don't say its not a storyline, they took over the company and ran it from December 2000 to July 2000. When Foley becomes Commish after KOTR in July, its over. Even if you extended it out to SummerSlam, you get HHH/Kurt/Rock, another great match as well as Steph losing the title to Lita. I am not seeing the terrible here.

Nexus is fresh in the sense that they have gotten away with a lot in the PG era as well as WWE not doing a big faction like this since Evolution. They are just a younger version of Evolution, NWO and Horsemen, without the big belt, hell they finally got their first title this week. If they get the belt at Survivor Series and keep the tag belts, they will ascend to the top of the food chain. That is IF Wade wins or the team doesn't spiral out of control with Otunga stabbing them in the back after wards.

I am with Justin, its been a good storyline for the PG era, but it has done what past great storylines have done which is move ratings, merch and PPVs. Anything with HBK, these past few years has been amazing and the Jericho stuff was off the charts awesome. Yeah, the whole GM thing kills the logic at times, but its doing the same to everyone else on Raw, so its not really all of Nexus' fault either.

(edited by lotjx on 27.10.10 0911)
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.87
But the McMahon-Helmsley thing didn't have a payoff. It just...ended. There was the rubbish KOTR main event, Foley was arbitrarily named commish, and the group just kinda crumbled apart. I'm not saying it's terrible - I'm on record as labelling WWE circa early 2000 as the best period of pro-wrestling in history, and the booking model of midcard/ME mixing that every promotion should aspire to. But it wasn't one overarching storyline with a beginning, middle and end. The beginning was there, the middle was just heels vs. faces, and the end was pretty much non-existent. As a self-contained, cohesive storyline, Nexus will have the regime beat if, IF, it gets an actual payoff.

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"past great storylines have done which is move ratings, merch and PPVs"

Chris Jericho: Conspiracy Victim did sod all for WCW's rating and merch, but it was still the best thing in WCW in 1998.

(edited by Amos Cochran on 27.10.10 0922)
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.95
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Count me in as thinking Nexus was dead in September but jumpstarted again at HIAC. I think it still counts as a continuum. When it's all said and done, I do think Nexus will go down as one of the best main event angles of the Cena era done in the PG, overwritten WWE. That sounds like damning with faint praise, but considering how much content has been produced and starpower has been involved in that timeframe, it's actually saying a lot.


I really like the addition of Husky Harris and Michael McGillicutty. Someone needed to fill the Enforcer role of the group. They might just turn into newer cannon fodder, but for now the group seems tougher.

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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I really like the addition of Husky Harris and Michael McGillicutty. Someone needed to fill the Enforcer role of the group. They might just turn into newer cannon fodder, but for now the group seems tougher.


Me too as well. For a week I thought they were going to get put back with DiBiase. They're not only tougher now but also a lot more talented and competent than Young and Tarver (and I do love Tarver). That's why I'd be psyched if Otunga is bounced -- they'd be a group of all promising, albeit green, workers. I don't think we're going to get Cena on a SurSer team with them but I'd still like to see them in an elimination match at the show against the usual Raw faces they beat up.
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I do like those two in the group, but it's funny that they're adding two white guys to the group after Barrett's personally kicked out two of the African-American members and threatened to boot the third. Maybe they've got the wrong armbands?

(Gabriel's not American.)



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
Percy Watson didn't get the call either. :-/
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I do like those two in the group, but it's funny that they're adding two white guys to the group after Barrett's personally kicked out two of the African-American members and threatened to boot the third. Maybe they've got the wrong armbands?

    (Gabriel's not American.)


No.......he's South African.

Maybe they have the right armbands.



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.35
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I do like those two in the group, but it's funny that they're adding two white guys to the group after Barrett's personally kicked out two of the African-American members and threatened to boot the third. Maybe they've got the wrong armbands?
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I do like those two in the group, but it's funny that they're adding two white guys to the group after Barrett's personally kicked out two of the African-American members and threatened to boot the third. Maybe they've got the wrong armbands?
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Percy Watson didn't get the call either. :-/
Vince is Vince.

They don't need an enforcer. Skip should finish rehabbing sooner than later since he broke his ankle on August 16th. I think/hope we'll end up in a situation where Nexus seems to be outmatched and their own personal Hulk swoops in to wreck shop and put off Nexus' comeuppance for another day.

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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.89
    Originally posted by CEOIII
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      I do like those two in the group, but it's funny that they're adding two white guys to the group after Barrett's personally kicked out two of the African-American members and threatened to boot the third. Maybe they've got the wrong armbands?

      (Gabriel's not American.)


    No.......he's South African.

    Maybe they have the right armbands.







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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    There was already that part when Vince had them beat up Bret Hart so he could fire Bret Hart after he hired Bret Hart and then they beat up Vince for someone else because of something.


Speaking of Bret Hart, how come no one in the WWE Universe ever wonders what the hell happened to him after he just disappeared at the start of that match against The Undertaker?!?
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