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[I want to apologize in advance for the quality of this recap—I’m feeling kinda run-down tonight.]

So… it’s not that I didn’t *want* to see Unforgiven last night. In fact, I’d gotten the day off from work and had every intention of going to Baker Street to see the pay-per-view. It would have been my fifth PPV of the year, joining WrestleMania, One Night Stand, Great American Bash and SummerSlam.

But my body had other ideas—it overrode my will to wake up from my nap and decided I should use that time to catch up on my sleep instead. Not that I fully disagree with the choice that it made, only it doesn’t make much difference now—I *still* feel very tired, but this time I’m staying up to do the RAW recap for y’all.

Seems that a lot of you enjoyed Unforgiven last night. Wish I’d been there. I’m glad to see they finally gave Matt Hardy a victory over Edge… they had to do that in order for Hardy to remain even *remotely* relevant. If he’d lost again, it’d be back to Heat duty for him… at least for the week or two Heat remains in existence. Then God knows *where* he’d be.

Interesting choice to make Ric Flair the Intercontinental Champion… it’s Flair’s first WWF/E singles title since he lost the WWF Championship to Bret Hart in ’92, and his first singles title *period* in over five years—his last WCW Championship reign was ended by Jeff Jarrett on 5/29/00. Of course Flair *did* win the WWE World Tag Team Championship twice with Batista, and a third time if you count the time he won it with that one guy from the Snickers commercial. (I checked WWE’s official title history, and unfortunately that last one isn’t listed.)

And speaking of tag titles, Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch won the World Tag Team Championship last night, not that anyone’s particularly surprised by that. I think Cade and Murdoch have potential, and obviously RAW’s tag-team division can’t possibly get any worse, but it occurred to me a couple days ago… now that Cade and Murdoch are the champions, what happens now? Hurricane and Rosey chase the titles? Not really interested in seeing that, given the way Hurricane and Rosey have been buried over the past few months. Val Venis and Viscera? Oh, my God, no. (I, for one, think a team of Val Venis and Steven Richards would have been very good, but Viscera, no.) Tajiri and Eugene? Not after the way they got smashed by C&M last week. So… who’s C&M’s next big opponent?

And what’s with WWE’s recent fetish of not allowing the brand-specific pay-per-views to end with a decisive finish in their main event? And hell, they even more or less replayed exactly the same finish from the Great American Bash—the champion gets disqualified when he hits his opponent with a foreign object just as the referee’s waking up. Was there *any* reason for that at all?

These questions and more will be answered (or perhaps not) tonight on RAW!

Forget the lies, the money, we’re in this together…

And we come to you live from Wichita Falls, Texas. Tonight, Trish Stratus battles Torrie Wilson in an apparent non-title match. Ric Flair will defend his newly-won Intercontinental Title against Carlito. Cena, Michaels, Hardy and Big Show take on Kurt Angle, Gene Snitsky, Edge, and Chris Masters in the main event.

Eric Bischoff comes out with the *real* WWE Title belt on his shoulder—huh? Maybe he’s overturning last night’s decision? He’s certainly got a huge grin on his face. And I can’t help but notice the WWE Title belt has Kurt Angle’s name on it.

EB: Now clearly after Unforgiven last night there’s a great deal of confusion as to who the WWE Champion is. Well I’m here tonight to clear all that up, because tonight I have a major announcement to make! But before I do, please allow me to introduce WWE’s only Olympic gold medalist, Mr. Kurt Angle!

[Angle’s theme music plays, and Angle comes out.]

EB: Now as I was saying, last night at Unforgiven, John Cena showed a flagrant disregard for the rules and for authority, including putting his hands on me, EB, the general manager of RAW! But fortunately one of the great things about being the general manager is that I can do something about it. So by the powers vested in me by the WWE Board of Directors, I hereby strip John Cena of the WWE Title! And allow me to introduce to you the new WWE Champion…

[No Chance in Hell plays, and I think Vinnie Mac has a rebuttal. Gotta love the irony of this… Vinnie Mac once tried to do the exact same thing to Austin, giving the belt to Angle, but Ric Flair intervened.]

EB: Well Mr. McMahon, I didn’t think you were gonna be here ‘til later, I knew you had an announcement…

KA: I’m sure that Mr. McMahon wanted to come down to personally congratulate me for beating John Cena last night and putting on a hell of a show.

Kurt says that as RAW’s new WWE Champion, he will bring the three I’s—intensity, integrity and intelligence—to WWE. Vinnie Mac asks Kurt who in the hell named him WWE Champion? “He did,” Kurt says, pointing to Bischoff. “You? You know damn well you don’t have the authority to strip John Cena of the WWE Championship.” Well, he created the World Championship and awarded it to Triple H. “You know damn well there’s only two ways the title changes hands—either by pinfall or submission. So you tell me what happened as a result of the championship match at Unforgiven?” Bischoff complains that Cena attacked him, and Vince mocks him, and says “Shut the hell up! I’ll tell you what happened. Kurt Angle defeated John Cena, however it was by disqualification,” ergo Cena’s still the champ.

Vince is here to make an announcement—two weeks from now, October 3 on RAW’s return to USA, there will be a WWE Homecoming. Mick Foley, Triple H, Hulk Hogan, and Stone Cold Steve Austin will all be in attendance. And there’s something else that’s going to occur—two weeks from tonight there will be a WWE Championship match—John Cena will defend against… it looks like he’s gonna say Kurt Angle, but… Eric Bischoff?! Uh, yeah, that’ll put butts in the seats.

We come back and Bischoff is desperately begging off, not wanting any part of the WWE Championship match. He asks him to reconsider—“I’ll think about it,” Vince replies. He gets in the limo, lowers the window, and says, “I’ve thought about it—the match is still on.” “But, Mr. McMahon!”

Torrie Wilson, accompanied by Candace Michelle and Victoria, comes out to face Trish Stratus. Last night I had a strange dream in which Torrie Wilson and Melina were engaged in some *major* HLA. I kept thinking, “Gee, how is WWE getting away with putting *that* on television?” Hee.

Trish comes out accompanied by Ashley, and holding the Women’s Title belt. Here we go… Victoria immediately grabs Trish’s foot and the heels gain an unfair advantage… Torrie gets a few kicks in before Trish regains the advantage, Torrie runs out and Trish follows her, and Trish gets proactive, attacking the outsiders herself. Ashley hits a double-clothesline, and the two women actually wrestling in the match get back in. Trish gains the advantage with punches, Torrie almost steals a win with a roll-up, but Torrie gets distracted by her own allies, and Trish pins her with a schoolboy.

Post-match, though, the faces get laid out—punctuated by a Torrie facebuster to Ashley, and Victoria hitting the Widow’s Peak (which I still think is a *sick* move) to Trish.

When we come back, we see clips of the tag-team title match from last night, in which Hurricane shows more guts than brains by tagging himself back in at a bad moment and costing his team the title.

Cade and Murdoch come out sporting their new World Tag Team Title belts, and Murdoch will be involved in one-on-one competition against The Hurricane. We establish that Hurricane’s still injured, having suffered a stinger last night, and that he probably shouldn’t be out here. Yet Hurricane starts the match a house of fire, flinging wild punches at Murdoch. Murdoch quickly exits the ring, and when he gets back in he’s arm-dragged and he goes right back out. Rosey throws Murdoch back in the ring, and Hurricane continues the advantage—but he gets whipped hard into the ropes, and seems to have hurt his neck again. And Murdoch ain’t dumb—he’s focusing on the vulnerable neck of Hurricane. Rear chinlock only ever causes the babyface comeback, though. Hurricane gets back up, Murdoch goes for the DDT but Hurricane was holding on to the top rope and Murdoch lands hard. Hurricane comes back with speed moves including a flying clothesline, gets up on the middle rope and connects with the missile dropkick. Both men down, and Hurricane’s arm is quite useless at this point—Hurricane goes for the corner ten-punch, Murdoch drops Hurricane on the ropes head-first, and a DDT later, that’s all she wrote.

That was a nice DDT, by the way. Murdoch isn’t as horrible a wrestler as most people think he is, in my opinion.

Backstage, Josh Matthews is with the former Intercontinental Champion, Carlito, and…

CCC: I didn’t lose! The referee said I tapped out, I was reaching for the ropes and my hand hit the mat! That’s all that happened!

Carlito says that Ric Flair did *not* beat Carlito, but that’s all right… tonight he’ll beat Flair and regain the Intercontinental Championship, and thas? Thas cool. And I must say that Carlito is much angrier than I’ve ever seen him.

We come back from commercial, and Edge is *demanding* that Matt Hardy be fired again for his actions last night. “You’re not the only one with problems around here!” But it’s clear Matt and Edge can’t co-exist, so two weeks from tonight at the RAW Homecoming, Matt Hardy and Edge will battle one last time in a Loser Leaves RAW match. But not just any match—a ladder match, with the Money in the Bank briefcase hanging above the ring! WHOA~!

Oh, something else interesting about this segment—well, first of all the writer monkeys remembered what the briefcase symbolizes, but also Bischoff says that there’s a contract inside to face the “WWE” Champion—not the World Champion, as was originally intended. So when the champs switched, the contract stipulation changed. There’s the answer we’ve been curious about for some time now.

Tyson Tomko comes out to face Eddie Craven, and… yeah. I don’t recap jobber matches. Let’s just say that Craven gets the shit knocked out of him in about 45 seconds. Great for him, but I don’t see the point of this. Is he getting the Goldberg push, or the Tank Abbott push?

We see a montage of the issues Carlito and Flair have had over the past few weeks, and we go straight to Carlito’s introduction… huh, no commercial? Probably before Flair comes out, I’d bet. Ayup.

We come back, and Ric Flair’s wearing a fantastic black-and-blue feathered robe, as the new Intercontinental Champion comes down to the ring. Man, gotta love the pop Flair’s getting with the crowd—very few will ever be able to pop a crowd like Flair. Flair looks very casual, and Carlito looks pissed—Flair WOOs at least six times in the first ten seconds of the match. As they lock up and Carlito hits a shoulder block, the crowd’s giving Carlito a “You tapped out!” chant. Flair beats the crap outta Carlito, Carlito exits the ring, comes back in and gets destroyed some more. Chops, kicks to the knee, punches—Flair grabs the foot for the figure-four and Carlito immediately rolls out of the ring. The “you tapped out!” chant is clearly getting into Carlito’s head—he’s so good at reacting to the crowd. Flair brings the chain wrestling into a hammerlock, while holding Carlito down with his knee. Kicks to Carlito’s back, gets him in the corner and hits another chop. Another hard chop knocks Carlito down, and Flair wrenches the arm.

It has been all Flair thus far—at least until I typed that, when Carlito rakes Flair’s eyes and clotheslines him out of the ring. Flair comes back in the ring, and Carlito begins stomping and pounding away at the champion. He lifts him up, and takes him down with punches—whip into the ropes, high back body drop gets two. A kick to the head, and we enter the RAW Zone. Carlito begins kicking Flair’s head, and there’s swelling above his eyes. Thumb to the eye by Flair, hard chop knocks Carlito down again, and Flair hits some hard punches to Carlito’s face. Flair sets him up for the Shattered Dreams but the referee will have none of it, and he punches Flair in the corner… Flair walks out and flops down, and CCC goes for the cover, getting two. Back into the corner, Carlito hits chops on Flair, but Flair reverses and hits a chop of his own. Whip into the corner and another Irish Whip.. and now Flair exits the ring, coming back in with an apple. He takes a bite out of it, gets Carlito in the corner, and spits the apple in his face. Another hard chop takes Carlito down to his knees, and Flair rips at Carlito’s face. Back into the corner, and Flair punches the hell out of Carlito, and begins his signature strut. CCC is on the ring apron, and Flair whips his neck onto the top rope—and again.

A blatant choke by Flair, and now he tries to suplex Carlito back into the ring… Carlito tries to counter… he tries to smack Flair’s head into the turnbuckle, but Flair blocks it with his foot and slams Carlito’s head into the ring post. Carlito does a fantastic job of convincing us that he has no idea just where the hell he is right now… and Flair hits a chop that knocks Carlito down to the floor. CCC seems to be leaving, but I doubt that’ll happen—when we come back we’ll find out, I guess.

We come back and Carlito has Flair prone in the corner, slapping him and punching. Flair hits a hard chop, and something happens that I didn’t see and Carlito goes for a cover, getting two. Carlito hits a suplex on Flair for another two, Carlito punches and kicks Flair while he’s on his knees, and Flair retreats to the corner where Carlito continues the assault and goes for the ten-punch… but an inverted atomic drop and hard chop put an end to that. Both men back up, a hard chop takes Carlito down again, and Flair struts, going for the elbow—Carlito rolls away, but Flair connects with it at his new position. Carlito whips him corner to corner, but Carlito drills him with a clothesline. Cover gets two. Carlito drags him back up to his feet and a punch is blocked, and Flair nails him with chops. A punch knocks Carlito down, both men get back up and trade devastating blows. Flair rips at Carlito’s face and another hard chop… and now Flair’s got the decided advantage. Shoulder block knocks Carlito down and Flair goes up top… Carlito tries to knock him off the top rope but Flair punches to avoid it, and connects with the sledge for the second night in a row. But Carlito gets him to the outside and slams Naitch’s back into the ring… chop block knocks Carlito down, and Flair applies the figure-four… using the ropes for added leverage, and Carlito is forced to tap out. Ha, cheat to win!

Todd Grisham interviews Matt Hardy and congratulates him—long story short, this leads to a rather funny promo by Hardy, Michaels, Show and Cena. Cena puts over each of his teammates, which makes me smile remembering how uncomplimentary he *used* to be of The Big Show. He *did* say, though, that if the team needed him to, Show would eat someone. “Hold the barbecue [sauce]”, Show replies. And we learn that Todd Grisham can do the Robot, which brings back memories of Coach dancing and singing.

Back from commercial, we see Matt Hardy’s legdrop from Unforgiven last night. “Please, Matt, don’t do this! Think of your fans, think of your family!” Good touch, gotta love when JR does that.

Maria interviews Ric Flair, asks him why they call him the Nature Boy, and Flair says it’s because he can go all night long. Carlito busts on the scene even *more* furious than he was before the match, saying “You screwed Carlito again! You think that’s cool, that’s not cool!” “Really?” And Ric begins trading blows with Carlito. From behind, Chris Masters comes in, slams him into the steel girder and applies the Master Lock on him, and Carlito continues punching Ric as he’s in the hold. Masters finally releases the hold and Flair slumps to the floor, and Carlito spits the apple in his face.

Hmm, good to see the Flair/Carlito feud isn’t over yet, but if this is leading to Masters becoming Intercontinental Champion, I’ll pass, thanks.

Commercial break, we come back to see what happened two paragraphs ago, and then the SmackDown Rebound… followed by Kurt Angle coming out to the ring for the eight-man tag-team match.

Good line by King about Snitsky: “It’s strange to see a face like that without eight legs attached to it.” Hee.

And apparently, The Big Show is now 507 pounds. Yeah, right.

When we come back from commercial, Cena’s beating the hell out of Edge… clotheslines and suplexes knocking him down. Cena tags in Big Show, who hits a gigantic headbutt on Edge and steps on him a couple times. Edge manages to get to the corner and tag in Masters, and it’s Big Show/Mastesr for a moment before Matt’s tagged in for a few seconds, and then Cena gets the tag. Cena and Masters spend a portion of the match together. Masters hits a suplex and goes for another but it’s reversed by Cena. Hardy’s tagged back in, gets Masters in the corner, clotheslines him, knocks his head into the corner and tags in HBK. Chops by Michaels, Masters into the corner, whip reversed, and Michaels flops upside-down and into a military press by Masters for two. Masters punches HBk, whips him into the corner and charges, but a reverse elbow takes him down. Attempted slam by HBK reversed, Masters misses an elbow, and gets the tag to Matt. Masters slam reversed into a Scorpion Death Drop, and Edge is dragged into the ring by Hardy, and Matt hits a Side Effect on Edge—man, that’s such a great move. But Masters is still the legal man, and he applies the Master Lock on Matt—it looks like Matt’s going to fade, but Big Show comes in and breaks the hold with a giant headbutt! We go to another commercial.

So, does this make Matt Hardy the first guy to break the Master Lock? I’d like that, although my guess is “Not bloody likely.”

We come back and Edge has a headlock on Matt. His teammates are going nuts in the corner—you don’t think they want in there? Matt gets to his feet, elbows Edge in the gut, into the ropes but Edge hits a one-man flapjack and gets two. Snitsky is tagged in for what I think is the first televised time… whips him into the corner and he fuckin’ DRILLS Matt with a clothesline which is sold insanely well. A two-count, and Snitsky applies a headlock—but Matt comes back and hits a Twist of Fate, but both men are down and Matt can’t capitalize. Each man’s headed towards the corner. Angle’s tagged in, and just before he can get to Matt, Michaels comes in. Flying burrito, nip-up, atomic drop, clothesline, slam, flying elbow but Angle rolls out of the way. And Kurt wants the Olympic Slam—Countered into a sunset flip, but Angle applies the Ankle Lock, which is countered by Michaels, but Angle holds on. Michaels tries to get back to the ropes, and Cena is *demanding* that HBK not tap—Big Show comes in and finally breaks up the hold. There’s a brief schmozz, and Big Show is (kind of) Olympic Slammed from the ring to the floor. We take our last commercial break.

As we come back, Edge has the Edge-u-cator on Shawn Michaels, and he finally grabs the ropes. Big Show is still out on the floor. Masters is tagged in, and he kicks Michaels’ knee, and begins wrenching the hell out of his knee. Tag back to Angle, and he rips at Michaels’ face and the resthold again leads to the babyface comeback. Michaels hits a back-suplex on Angle, and Cena *badly* ants the tag. Both men to their feet, and they exchange blows… Michaels gets the best of it but Angle hits an Olympic Slam out of nowhere. It seems Michaels is done, but Hardy comes in out of nowhere and makes the save—only to get decked immediately afterward. Michaels goes for the tag on Cena, but before he can get there Cena is speared by Edge. But now Big Show gets up, and he’s pissed—he gets the tag from Michaels and decimates all four men. Goes for the chokeslam on Snitsky, but he’s low-blowed—Edge hits the Spear but only gets two. Now all four heels jump The Big Show but Big Show will have none of it—and here comes the rest of his team! Cena clotheslines Snitsky over the top, and Hardy does the same with Masters—Big Show now, at Hardy’s request, lifts him over his head and throws him into Masters and Snitsky on the floor.

Edge tries to hit Cena with the briefcase, but Cena ducks, hits his fancy back suplex and the Five-Knuckle Shuffle, and Big Show chokeslams him straight to hell. He goes for the cover, and his three teammates pile on—talk about overkill—and get the three-count.

A very good, exciting match, and that’s exactly how you want to end RAW! Good job.

Overall I think RAW did very well for itself this week—both the main event and the Intercontinental Title match were very, very good.

DASCOOL!: Main event and I-C Title match were both fantastic, and what happened after Trish’s match seemed to set up a feud between Trish and Victoria, and I can dig that. Plus I’m looking forward to the Money in the Bank Loser Leaves RAW Ladder Match at WWE Homecoming.

YOU SUCK!: There was absolutely no point to having Tyson Tomko waste 30 seconds of our time. And I can’t think of a way right now that Cena vs. Bischoff will be remotely entertaining.

WHAT?!: Believe it or not, I can’t think of anything this week that fits into the “this didn’t make any sense” category. Maybe the Tomko thing comes closest, but Tomko’s been on the show a lot recently so it didn’t come as a shock or anything. I guess this field’s blank this week.

Overall, quite a good show this week! Now let’s see if we can make it two in a row!



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I bet Vince gets an orgasm every time he gets to make Bischoff look like a fool. Not a big fan of making GMs look like bumbling idiots (which is why I like how they've booked Teddy Long on S'Down). In fact, I'm not a big fan of them in general....

So does Torrie have a Paris Hilton gimmick now? When does the sex tape come out?....I actually liked the Murdoch/Hurricane match. Maybe because it had a storyline behind it?....Why exactly does the title have to be on the line with Bischoff v.s Cena?....

Tomko v.s a jobber? At least Eddie Craven is a veteran jobber. I guess they're trying to get over the power of the big boot. I still don't get the TKO thing....Flair/Carlito went a bit too long (I couldn't believe Flair could wrestle this distance two nights in a row). Still a good match though....

How is Cena supposed to be cool sucking up to all these guys?....I really hate those dumb "Big Show Power Moments," like when he swats at all four guys and they act like they've been shot. Tough to get a read on this match- too many commercial breaks.



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It took Flair how many years to realize that hitting the guy trying to bodyslam off the top rope might be a good countermove?
Edge should now learn that maybe holding onto the contract for 6 months isn't a wise thing. Can't see them making Matt Hardy #1 contender and moving Edge to SD, so Edge wins, Matt goes to SD, and Edge takes his title match right before Cena is supposed to face Bischoff.
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Everyone has a blind spot.

The main event was great. The post match event was fun. Matt doing the chokeslam motion~~~~~

I think Matt wins and gets the ulllllllllllllllltimate challenge of carrying Cena in a face/face title match (all he has to do is be Kurt Angle, no problem), while Edge adds a much needed upper level heel to SmackDown. Or he could just hang out with Christian, that'd be cool.

Surprised there were as many cheers for Triple H as there were.



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If you really want to get technical, Edge's title shot was for the World Heavyweight Title, not the WWE title. He could lose to Hardy, then make this claim on Smackdown in order to face Batista.



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    It took Flair how many years to realize that hitting the guy trying to bodyslam off the top rope might be a good countermove? Edge should now learn that maybe holding onto the contract for 6 months isn't a wise thing. Can't see them making Matt Hardy #1 contender and moving Edge to SD, so Edge wins, Matt goes to SD, and Edge takes his title match right before Cena is supposed to face Bischoff.

The flip-side to that is that I can't see them booking Edge to have the last laugh in that feud. A thoroughly defeated Matt Hardy with no reason for the crowds to believe in him is useless to Smackdown, while the return of the highly-pissed off, "me against the world" Edge (who the crowds still would have plenty of vitriol for) would bring a lot to the table.

That's why, as illogical as it may seem, Matt Hardy should win the match and the title shot in two weeks.

It'd certainly be more interesting than the alternative.



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It's good to see that the WWE isn't backing away from Batista or Cena. There's still some questions lingering over a few of the draft moves they either made or didn't make (Jericho being a prime example), but the stage is set for a solid run to Summerslam that may send the indicator down. The longer Triple H stays away is also a plus...
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On a very minor note, did anyone else catch JR calling HBK's flying forearm the Flying Burrito? It made me flash back to when Jesse Ventura was the best color man of all-time. Ah, the memories... :)



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    Originally posted by DarrylTheHitman
    On a very minor note, did anyone else catch JR calling HBK's flying forearm the Flying Burrito? It made me flash back to when Jesse Ventura was the best color man of all-time. Ah, the memories... :)


It's interesting what moves JR gives "names" and what moves JR pretends not to know or really doesn't. He also calls kneelifts the "million dollar kneelift"

It was annoying listening to JR on Unforgiven repeatedly call the Side Effect "that move Matt Hardy used a few weeks ago when he jumped off the stage." At least Tazz and Cole knows the move names, mostly Tazz.



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    Originally posted by Cubs
    The main event was great. The post match event was fun.


Yeah it was! It wasn't quite Dallas 10-man 2000, or even the forgotten Seattle 8-man 2002, but you can't really ask for more from a current Raw main event. Other than replacing Masters and Snitsky, but even they couldn't ruin this. Matt Hardy hanging with the big kids! Cena as babyface Mr. Kennedy in the gang's all here promo! Waking the sleeping giant! HBK even made the V1 sign.

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    Originally posted by geemoney
    How is Cena supposed to be cool sucking up to all these guys?


I actually thought the segment put him over as the top guy; the promo established him as the leader of his team, introducing them all in turn and then himself last (with the crazy "snappin' necks and cashin' checks with the intensity of ten cities LIVE" catchphrase that is really growing on me). I didn't get the sense that he was "sucking up to them" as much as simply being proud of his team for the night, and putting his teammates over.
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    Originally posted by LionJeetSingh
    If you really want to get technical, Edge's title shot was for the World Heavyweight Title, not the WWE title. He could lose to Hardy, then make this claim on Smackdown in order to face Batista.


At this point I think it's safe to say the contract is for Raw's top title, whatever that happens to be, and people were just saying "World Heavyweight title shot" as shorthand. The whole point of putting the briefcase on the line in the Loser Leaves Raw match is that if Edge can't use the contract if he loses the match. In other words, the contract is worthless on Smackdown, regardless of which champion is where.
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I'm guessing that thus far I'm the only one who didn't like the Flair/Carlito match tonight. I don't know what it was, but I found it to be fairly unwatchable. After about ten minutes I was just waiting for it to end. Maybe it was the mood I was in, but I was really forcing myself to watch that match. *shrug*

Fun main event, too. Other than that, I'd see it was more of a so-so RAW than anything else. The past few weeks have been pretty bad, and this was a little better, but not by much.




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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
Carlito's gotta feel foolish tapping to a move that no one has really tapped to twice in two nights. Flair does bring some prestige to the belt though.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Alright, how about this? The night of Raw homecoming. Bischoff vs. Cena. As someone mentioned, it seems pointless to make it a title match. So they pull the OMG SHOCKING SWERVE! Angle is helping Bischoff, then in the defining moment Edge comes out, hits Cena with the briefcase, and Bischoff wins.

We get to later in the night with the Edge/Hardy match. Bischoff returns the favor and helps Edge win. Post match, Edge takes his title shot and beats Bischoff for the title (Edge hits Bischoff with a weapon after he won't lay down, which makes Edge somewhat of a tweener [stealing the title that was supposed to go to Kurt Angle]). This sets up a Triple Threat Edge/Angle/Cena match at Taboo Tuesday.

It has its holes (most notably putting the title on a non-wrestler, which hasn't been done with a major title since the WCW title was put on Vince Russo in 2000), but it would seem a way tie things out. But in truth, it's probably just lazy writing that they made the Cena/Bischoff match for the title, as opposed to foreshadowing.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.98
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Alright, how about this? The night of Raw homecoming. Bischoff vs. Cena. As someone mentioned, it seems pointless to make it a title match. So they pull the OMG SHOCKING SWERVE! Angle is helping Bischoff, then in the defining moment Edge comes out, hits Cena with the briefcase, and Bischoff wins.

    We get to later in the night with the Edge/Hardy match. Bischoff returns the favor and helps Edge win. Post match, Edge takes his title shot and beats Bischoff for the title (Edge hits Bischoff with a weapon after he won't lay down, which makes Edge somewhat of a tweener [stealing the title that was supposed to go to Kurt Angle]). This sets up a Triple Threat Edge/Angle/Cena match at Taboo Tuesday.

    It has its holes (most notably putting the title on a non-wrestler, which hasn't been done with a major title since the WCW title was put on Vince Russo in 2000), but it would seem a way tie things out. But in truth, it's probably just lazy writing that they made the Cena/Bischoff match for the title, as opposed to foreshadowing.


Well, the major RAW angle since the Draft Lottery has been "Bischoff Don't Like Cena, Fool!", so expanding the Bischoff/Jericho/Angle/Snitsky/Carlito/Masters/Tomko vs. Cena superfeud to include Edge would make a lot of sense in the larger scheme of things. Plus, for them to do the traditional Face Chasing The Gold storyline for Cena heading into WrestleMania 22, Cena has to lose the belt in a way that makes it seem that he still deserves to hold it. So I can see Bischoff changing the booking of his match to be No DQ, No Countout, etc just to facilitate a massive heel beatdown.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Any reason why Edge took the pinfall in the ME, when Snitsky could have & should have been used instead? Edge has a major storyline/feud, plus Snitsky has been kinda feuding w/ Show. Other than that, the ME was pretty fun.

Hurricane/Murdoch was decent, Carlito/Flair was OK, Maria makes 2 appearances, pretty good show overall.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88

Decent RAW considering they're changing networks in 2 weeks & don't have a PPV for another 6 weeks.

I'm intrigued as to the outcome of the Edge/Matt Hardy match in a couple of weeks. On one hand, Edge is one of the top heels in the whole company, so having him on RAW makes sense ... BUT on the other hand, having him on Smackdown sure would give it a lift.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.53
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Any reason why Edge took the pinfall in the ME, when Snitsky could have & should have been used instead?
Sadly, the writers on both shows have tended to telegraph brand switches by jobbing out their soon-to-be-switched up until they leave the show. This may be another case of that.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.05
More importantly, does Edge take Lita with him? I hope so, because it would allow Matt and Kane to start new angles free of that giant mess.

By GOD, I've got to show The Lovely Mrs. Tracker the Flair DVD so she can see Flair did more than just chop people into kindling.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
Props to Josh Mathews for doing the Robot...that was hilarious during the face promo before the ME.

I like the IC title on Flair, though. He and Carlito have some great chemistry together.



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