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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by John Orquiola


    I had the same thought until I realized, if they circled the ring, then we wouldn't see all 7 NNNNNNNs on camera at once. It's important to get the word out about NNNNNNNexus.




Yeah, this bugged me last night. Why have a "Lumberjack Match" if all the lumberjacks stand in a 10' space?

Seriously, it would be nice to read about the WWE without someone telling us how stupid we are and arguing it to death how they are right. Jesus Christ, I think we all know how fucking bad WWE creative can be, but when we are actually giving them credit, stop telling us how wrong we are for believing so. You ARE entitled to your opinion, but so are we, too. Let us enjoy it once in a while.

Speaking of which, the camera shaking thing last night WAS a cool effect, but I think they need to put the cameras on some anti-vibration shit cuz that place was ROCKING last night.
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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by John Orquiola

      I contend the WWE's ECW Title was not a "World Title". Now, this is not a hill I necessarily wish to fight on or die on, but these things I believe.


    While valid arguments can be made for both sides, and all arguments would be equally pointless, I tend to side with the World Title side because there was at least one occasion in which the WWE, World Heavyweight and ECW champions faced off in a triple threat match, implying that the ECW champion was on equal footing with the other two. (And while there's ample evidence that the ECW title wasn't treated like a world championship, one could dig up dozens of instances where the WWE and World Heavyweight championships weren't either.)


One day, somehow, I'd like to apply this simple test to former WWE ECW "World" Champions: Simply walk up to each one and ask, "When you were ECW Champion, did you think you were a World Champion?" For instance, Matt Hardy sure acted like he won a World Title when he was ECW Champion, but then when it came time to feud with Jeff leading into WrestleMania 25, one of his storyline grievances was that Jeff was World Heavyweight Champion (implying that the belt Matt had wasn't equal to the belt Jeff had.) So which is it really, Matthew? I'd just be curious if a consensus among the talent can be reached about whether or not wearing the ECW belt from 2006-2009 made them feel like they had achieved the equal of being the champion of RAW or Smackdown.

(edited by John Orquiola on 10.8.10 1240)


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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by griff

    I just couldn't take Hart seriously in a Batman tee though!

I kinda thought the same thing, but felt a bit hypocritical...because I was wearing almost the exact same Batman shirt as I was watching!

I don't know if the shaking camera was legit, but if it wasn't, they need to use it more often because those moments were awesome. Now if they use it next week when Santino confronts Kozlov, maybe not...




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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
Its pretty sad when I said it was a good show and they are doing good things isn't enough for people. Like I have to praise it beyond belief like making stupid comments like, its the best thing WWE ever booked. Like I said, I was mostly asleep through Raw do to working yesterday and missed apparently Nexus attacking Edge and Jericho. So, bad on me for missing that, I guess. They had a good show yesterday with a very hot crowd who the WWE should be credited for getting them hot for the angle. I am sorry, but I am not going to say its the greatest WWE storyline has ever done, I don't think its been the best one this year, Taker/HBK was epic. I am also not going to judge an angle until the match actually happens, so sorry for being cautious.

As for the rest of the criticisms about me, I could point how some people feel the need to gimmick their posts with different fonts or backgrounds, but I'll let it go. Yeah, I liked Hardcore Justice, because it was fun. I like this, because its a decent story and they executed it well.

I liked both of those things for two different reasons, now last night didn't change my opinion that minus Cena/Nexus, the second biggest PPV of the year looks weak. Adding Melina while nice is not a game changer. I am still ordering the PPV more as a goodbye gift for a friend and chance to have some friends I don't see much down to have a good time. If I didn't have people down, I probably won't get it. I got Hardcore Justice, because there was nothing on and the idea of it being a clusterfuck was intriguing.

(edited by lotjx on 10.8.10 1511)
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.52
If I were to honestly assess the ECW title as world champ situation in my heart, mind, and soul, I would say no fu'ken way. Well, it was up until a clear point in time when it wasn't. When RVD, Big Show, and Lashley had it, it was a world title and it was treated like the other two (a threeway champion of champions of match at Cyber Sunday, 2007 Royal Rumble winner chooses between those three titles). After Vince won the belt, it was a joke title. It might've gone back to near where it was with Benoit as champion as intended, but once they put it on Johnny Nitro, it was just a third IC/U.S. title and usually valued below them. I mean, Chavo held it for god's sake. Punk, Matt Hardy, and Christian all did some really fun things with the ECW title, but they weren't world champions.

    Originally posted by InVerse
    They have a long way to go, then, since his losing streak is only up to 5 weeks, and that's including two weeks that he wasn't on Raw.

    Not to mention that it was only slightly over 2 months ago, on Raw, that Bourne got a clean pin on Sheamus. He also beat Jericho via DQ on Raw after that. And most of the losses he's had were still competitive. He looked good against The Miz, was the last man eliminated by Nexus in the 7 on 7 match. Bourne may not be receiving the Sheamus megapush but he's clearly being pushed up the card.


He was. I don't think he is anymore. There was a glorious month of June where he pinned Sheamus in the main event and then pinned Jericho on PPV. On every Raw since Fatal Fourway he's either lost or been beaten up. That's what I meant by 83 week losing streak. He's at about two months. If there hadn't been the tease of upward mobility I don't think it would be frustrating; he'd just be in the exact same role he's had since he came to Raw last year.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 10.8.10 1610)
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.34
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    If there hadn't been the tease of upward mobility I don't think it would be frustrating; he'd just be in the exact same role he's had since he came to Raw last year.


He's getting in considerably more offense against much higher "ranked" opponents than he was a year ago on a fairly regular basis. Where it leads remains to be seen but Punk and Swagger both had periods where it looked like they were on the outs before they ended up being pushed the world champion status. I don't see Bourne getting pushed quite that high in the immediate future but I do think they intend to eventually make him a staple in the upper mid-card.

Also, to everyone bitching about Nexus standing on the same side of the ring during the lumberjack match, you all obviously don't know anything about lumberjacks. If lumberjacks stood in a circle, one of them would get smooshed when the tree fell over. Lumberjacks ALWAYS stand in a straight line, perpendicular to the tree. This is just another step in the WWE's move toward a more realistic style.
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.61
Regarding the ECW Title being a 'World Championship', even WWE doesn't recognize it as such. Especially when it comes to Matt Hardy and Christian, they keep saying that neither of them has been World Champion, even though both of them have had successful ECW Championship runs.



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    If there hadn't been the tease of upward mobility I don't think it would be frustrating; he'd just be in the exact same role he's had since he came to Raw last year.
They did the same thing with Tajiri at least a couple times so I was prepared for it here. If Bourne or Bryan ain't man number seven I will be severely disappointed.

I would like to thank everybody who uses different fonts and background colors; for giving your detractors something to target in lieu of having to develop an informed opinion.



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
    Originally posted by Loosie
    Regarding the ECW Title being a 'World Championship', even WWE doesn't recognize it as such. Especially when it comes to Matt Hardy and Christian, they keep saying that neither of them has been World Champion, even though both of them have had successful ECW Championship runs.


But Christian (Cage) was a two time NWA World Champion, unless in his mind, that doesn't count as a World Title either.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.23
Now I want to make sure you understand that I've let you say a lot of dumbass shit before I spoke up because you loooove to respond with the "poor me CRZ is pickin' on me again" garbage. But enough is enough and it's time for a change.
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Its pretty sad when I said it was a good show and they are doing good things isn't enough for people. Like I have to praise it beyond belief like making stupid comments like, its the best thing WWE ever booked.
Let's take another look at what you've ACTUALLY said as opposed to what you THINK you've said.
    Originally posted by lotjx, in post #21 of this thread
    Really? Its good, not great. Once again, when WWE does something good and finally logical, its deemed to be the second coming. They did an awesome job building leading to Mania this year and in the end, most of Mania was forgettable expect you know the MOTY candidate that was the Main Event . I was in and out of asleep through Raw so what I did catch I thought was good.
Perhaps if you had ACTUALLY said "it's a good show and they are doing good things" and then ZIPPED IT, you wouldn't have been met with what appears to be (to you) such a surprising response.

    Like I said, I was mostly asleep through Raw do to working yesterday and missed apparently Nexus attacking Edge and Jericho. So, bad on me for missing that, I guess. They had a good show yesterday with a very hot crowd who the WWE should be credited for getting them hot for the angle.
See, again, this is a good place to stop, but that's not your way!

    I am sorry, but I am not going to say its the greatest WWE storyline has ever done, I don't think its been the best one this year, Taker/HBK was epic.
I don't think that the (very small number of) people saying this is the greatest thing ever are demanding that you parrot their opinions.

    As for the rest of the criticisms about me, I could point how some people feel the need to gimmick their posts with different fonts or backgrounds, but I'll let it go.
What the hell does this even mean? You are equating fonts and backgrounds with...what? Are you admitting that your style of posting is a "gimmick?" Hell, you still haven't managed to master the art of not using a dead link for your avatar and I'm not entirely convinced you consciously made a decision not to select a gender in your profile, so bringing up other people's fonts and backgrounds just seems weird and irrelevant to whatever point you were attempting to convey.

    Yeah, I liked Hardcore Justice, because it was fun. I like this, because its a decent story and they executed it well.
See, maybe that's all you needed to say. You painstakingly go out of your way to let everybody know that you're liking this thing that really you shouldn't be liking and it just makes heads hurt. Here, let's read on for an example:

    I liked both of those things for two different reasons, now last night didn't change my opinion that minus Cena/Nexus, the second biggest PPV of the year looks weak.
"When you take out the main event, which could run as many as 13 falls and take close to an hour, this PPV looks weak." Gotcha.

    Adding Melina while nice is not a game changer.
An argument that I believe NOBODY is making

    I am still ordering the PPV more as a goodbye gift for a friend and chance to have some friends I don't see much down to have a good time.
What a fantastic person you are!

    If I didn't have people down, I probably won't get it.
"...but I'd still post about it!"

    I got Hardcore Justice, because there was nothing on and the idea of it being a clusterfuck was intriguing.
This THREAD is a clusterfuck. Where's MY forty bucks?

I don't understand the need to justify purchase of a PPV any more than I understand the need for grand sweeping statements in explanation of why a PPV is NOT being purchased. Does anybody care?

(Yeah, yeah, it's an effin' message board, blah blah blah. Shut the hell up.)



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
I guess saying when they do good and logical things as well as what I saw I thought was good, doesn't mean I think it was good or logical.Thus, everyone jumped on me for not giving it the bj they thought the angle deserved. Silly me. I basically have to justify everything on this message board since I am a TNA loyalist and a WWE hater according to everyone. As another CRZ cut and past response, yawn.
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I guess saying when they do good and logical things as well as what I saw I thought was good, doesn't mean I think it was good or logical.Thus, everyone jumped on me for not giving it the bj they thought the angle deserved. Silly me. I basically have to justify everything on this message board since I am a TNA loyalist and a WWE hater according to everyone. As another CRZ cut and past response, yawn.


You're missing the big picture. It's not what you say, it's who you are. Even if you were to give not only the WWE but everyone on this board a blowjob, I still don't think anyone would like you. You obviously don't even like yourself, as evidenced by the repeated abuse you willfully subject yourself to on a regular basis. AstraZeneca can help.
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I guess saying when they do good and logical things as well as what I saw I thought was good, doesn't mean I think it was good or logical.Thus, everyone jumped on me for not giving it the bj they thought the angle deserved. Silly me. I basically have to justify everything on this message board since I am a TNA loyalist and a WWE hater according to everyone. As another CRZ cut and past response, yawn.


    You're missing the big picture. It's not what you say, it's who you are. Even if you were to give not only the WWE but everyone on this board a blowjob, I still don't think anyone would like you. You obviously don't even like yourself, as evidenced by the repeated abuse you willfully subject yourself to on a regular basis. AstraZeneca can help.


I like you, lotjx. And I know what it's like to be hated on this board. (Hey, whatever happened to Aloiuqro nhoj anyway? I liked him too.)



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.53
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I guess saying when they do good and logical things as well as what I saw I thought was good, doesn't mean I think it was good or logical.Thus, everyone jumped on me for not giving it the bj they thought the angle deserved. Silly me. I basically have to justify everything on this message board since I am a TNA loyalist and a WWE hater according to everyone. As another CRZ cut and past response, yawn.


    You're missing the big picture. It's not what you say, it's who you are. Even if you were to give not only the WWE but everyone on this board a blowjob, I still don't think anyone would like you. You obviously don't even like yourself, as evidenced by the repeated abuse you willfully subject yourself to on a regular basis. AstraZeneca can help.


You guyyyyyyyys, if you keep posting Out-of-Context Quote of the Week material, I'm never gonna get through the backlog.





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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.23
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I guess saying when they do good and logical things as well as what I saw I thought was good, doesn't mean I think it was good or logical.Thus, everyone jumped on me for not giving it the bj they thought the angle deserved. Silly me. I basically have to justify everything on this message board since I am a TNA loyalist and a WWE hater according to everyone.
Do you ever actually READ other people's posts, or do you just conjure up in your own mind what words you want to believe those posts contain and react accordingly?

Unfortunately, your imagination leaves a lot to be desired.

You insist on retroactively rewriting what you've said to make it sound tamer than what you ACTUALLY post - almost begrudgingly positive remarks shrouded in WAY too much struggling and straining to explain why you've actually said something positive about something that isn't TNA.

That people have consistently been calling bullshit on your remarks for the past few weeks is a direct result of you posting in a manner that belies your absolute lack of impartiality when it comes to discussing this here rasslin' on the telebision. If it makes you unhappy, perhaps you should reevaluate your delivery. What WON'T work is a stubborn refusal to do so and continued consistency of response - all the while asking "Why me? What did *I* do to deserve all this attention?"

    As another CRZ cut and past response, yawn.
This sentence makes no sense, but don't bother fixing it. Clearly, it's more convenient for you to try to wave away and ignore than respond.

And who can blame you?

I feel the exact same way when nobody wants to join ME on MY island.

But I do hope you still feel pride in the fact that I would take so much valuable time to craft these responses for you to ignore.



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.23
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I guess saying when they do good and logical things as well as what I saw I thought was good, doesn't mean I think it was good or logical.Thus, everyone jumped on me for not giving it the bj they thought the angle deserved. Silly me. I basically have to justify everything on this message board since I am a TNA loyalist and a WWE hater according to everyone. As another CRZ cut and past response, yawn.


    You're missing the big picture. It's not what you say, it's who you are. Even if you were to give not only the WWE but everyone on this board a blowjob, I still don't think anyone would like you. You obviously don't even like yourself, as evidenced by the repeated abuse you willfully subject yourself to on a regular basis. AstraZeneca can help.
Hey, weren't you the guy who begged us to delete you? Now you're posting "funny PPV predictions." How times have changed!



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.70
How pissed will people be if Helmsley replaces Khali?

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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.23
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    How pissed will people be if Helmsley replaces Khali?
Did I miss something, or isn't Triple H still very much on the injured list?

It's kinda like how Danielson is still under no-compete until September so I really don't think we'd be seeing HIM Sunday either.

(edited by CRZ on 10.8.10 1802)


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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26
    Originally posted by CRZ
    That people have consistently been calling bullshit on your remarks for the past few weeks is a direct result of you posting in a manner that belies your absolute lack of impartiality when it comes to discussing this here rasslin' on the telebision.


I just wanted to point out - since it was my reply with its fancy colored-background and crazy font - that it's wasn't because of anything said specifically in the Wrestling forum that prompted my comment. Rather, it was a pattern of "I'm just going to argue for the sake of arguing" that has been his calling card.

For example, there's the Derek Jeter thread...

    Originally posted by lotjx
    He is the Captain and I still say the baseball hall of fame voters will not make him a first ball hall of famer.


...which just screams "I'm being contrary for the sake of it." I mean, WHO really thinks Derek Jeter won't be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Then there's this thread about how DrewDewce is happy Steve Czaban's got a new gig...

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Ugh! I think he is terrible and everything wrong with sports radio host. Condescending, sarcastic pricks who couldn't lace the shoes to most of the guys they bash. As bad as ESPN is about getting former jocks, Sports Radio and Fox are worse with the amount of non-jocks that host their own shows. I am not a fan of Stephen A. Smith, but trying to listen to First Team when I lost ESPN radio for a few months was painful at times. Having said that, as an XM/Sirus customer Sports Nation is probably the worst channel for sports. A bunch of rednecks talking about the SEC like its the only college conference in America 24 hours straight. Ok, you won a few titles of late, but your precious Alabama beat a Texas team that lost McCoy in the first quarter and hung on to win. If you want a few hours of pain, listen to that which I do, because its like a car wreck and they are the only channel that talks about college football right now. Sporting News Radio is ok, but it can't be Mad Dog 24/7 either. I have no idea why Fox Sports has gone ghetto all of the sudden considering the news division and the general attitude of the network.


...which also probably not coincidentally was also the first reply to the thread, which when you add it to the Derek Jeter comment says "you like this, well, *I* hate it and I want to start a fight about it." One of the great things about this board is the almost COMPLETE ABSENCE of that sort of thing.

I guess what I'm trying to say (in my purple-backgrounded kind of way) is I wouldn't have even thought to call you out in the first place if you even made an attempt to use proper punctuation and paragraph structure.



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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Hey, weren't you the guy who begged us to delete you? Now you're posting "funny PPV predictions." How times have changed!


I never begged to be deleted. I asked politely and was gone for approximately 9 months! I don't actually read lotjx's posts, either (I can't tell him and that other guy who's racist against line breaks apart), I was just in the mood to be a dick and figured I might as well take it out on someone who would apparently feel persecuted if I'd just said 'Hello'.

Edit: Also, bitching about someone's fonts and backgrounds is pretty dumb on a board where you can turn those off. It's the equivalent of bitching that you're thirsty when the kitchen is a room away.

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