Originally posted by CRZWhy are you in such a hurry? When you read books, do you start with the last page?
Nexus doesn't have to do a large scale beatdown every week because everybody else around them ACTS like they have the potential to do so. Part of the reason this angle is doing so well (with everyone except you) is that the other folks involved are putting over the aura and mystique that has been built around Nexus instead of dismissing them, hand-waving them away or brushing them off with juvenile dick/homo jokes during promo time.
Hell, all the six dudes not named Barrett had to do was SHOW UP last night - Edge wasted no time running for the hills. They didn't give a beatdown, but Edge sure got over the *potential* for a beatdown if he'd stuck around. It's effective because the WWE Universe is buying it - even if you're not.
You're worried about stakes? If Nexus lose at SummerSlam, *their mystique is broken.* THAT would be a big deal.
What we are experiencing here is something we haven't seen a lot of lately from the WWE - something I like to call "a slow build." It should be encouraged.
The people who've "had enough" of this angle exasperate me. Years upon years of CrashTV, rushed angles/turns/pushes, and we finally get a proper build for something only to see half of us screaming "Get on with it!"
Originally posted by JustinShapiro
Originally posted by ekedolphinMy God, how amazing is Chris Jericho? He looked like he was really touched by what John Cena had said.
THIS WAS GREAT
Jericho is always awesome but he really brought it. Props to Cena too for such a heartfelt delivery of that post match promo as well as having such an even match with Jericho.
I do read the last page of a book sometimes, so yeah thats on me. Yet, I don't see them as the giant threat as oppossed to other factions.I agree they did rape a bunch of B and C stars last week, but if they weren't dominate and win then it make them look weak, so it was booked properly. Still, I will be impressed when they have a title or whoever the GM is the person behind all of this.
Also, its been almost two months and we don't know what "The Big Picture" Wade keeps talking about or if there is someone behind the scenes pulling their strings. On top of all of this is we still don't know who the Raw GM is and if there is a relationship between Nexus and the GM. Its too many things that are up in the air. As for the match, I would like it if there was something other then pride on the line. So, if Nexus gets beat by a bunch of superstars who have no cohesion then at best they could easily regroup and try again with thus the match being meaningless or worse, they look like Spirit Squad 2.0 and split up. If they win, then they beat a Raw team with so little cohesion that anyone could beat them. If the match was to keep Nexus alive or control of Raw then it would be worth it. My hope is Nexus wins and the GM is revealed at SummerSlam for an Oh Shit! moment, hell maybe have Cena do the the Bash at the Beach '97 moment.
My original post was intended more as condemning the booking of the Alliance than praising the booking of Nexus. I think both angles suffer/ed from the lack of stakes you brought up, they both revolved around this nebulous idea of a Great Threat To All Our Lives And The Very Future Of This Company, the consequences of which are unspoken and don't exactly, uh, exist.
But I think they've done a better job of paying lip service to some stakes with Nexus (that stuff Cena said last week about how the more they win, the more influence they'll get over Raw). OTOH, the Alliance's whole plan after SummerSlam when the angle really got away from them seemed to be "we're going to totally put you out of business forever, by hanging out and having matches and going 50-50 with the Hardy Boys." At least Nexus has been executing successful beatdowns for two months (maybe WWE needs to get the APA back to run them out of the building every week like they did to WCW).
In terms of portrayal, though, I think they really have been mirror opposites in terms of how they were handled.
WWF was so insecure about WCW's fake wrestlers looking as strong as their fake wrestlers that the Alliance was, by design, never allowed to lay out the very top WWF guys. In their one really successful major beatdown they had to settle for Jericho and Kane because Austin and Undertaker weren't allowed to sell for them. Nexus beats up Cena a lot -- Cena's healing factor allows him to come back fine but sadder each week, but at least they're kicking the top guy's ass.
Plus, Nexus has never been put in a position to sell and has nearly always come out on top of their physical confrontations except the one or two times where the Raw locker room banded together. OTOH, the Alliance only got to lay everybody out on ECW night in Atlanta and spent the rest of the time getting run off by the WWF locker room. They were never a dominant collective group who attacked people, at least not after the first couple weeks. And the most/only powerful guy in the Alliance ended up being the imported WWF star, while their own guys didn't get any booking protection except for RVD. Which could happen to Nexus in the long run if Triple H is revealed as the big boss.
WWE's lack of insecurity this time around in letting the outsiders get the upper hand on the establishment and develop real heat without regular reciprocity because of the thinking that "Vince McMahon and WWE would never allow anyone do this to them" is a real about-face from how they've booked every outside invading group they've ever had.
Originally posted by lotjx My hope is Nexus wins and the GM is revealed at SummerSlam for an Oh Shit! moment, hell maybe have Cena do the the Bash at the Beach '97 moment.
It was 1996 that Hogan did the heel turn. Unless you're in the camp of The Brain, which in that case you knew he was a heel for years previous but no one bothered to listen to you.
Originally posted by JustinShapiroPlus, Nexus has never been put in a position to sell and has nearly always come out on top of their physical confrontations except the one or two times where the Raw locker room banded together.
I want to point out that Darren Young got DESTROYED by John Cena that one week. Which, I might add, was referenced by Skip Sheffield a week or two later as them "willing to take hits for the team" in a nice little nod.
Wasn't there some selling involved with the 7vs7 match as well?
Either way I'm happy with how this is playing out.
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Originally posted by El NastioWasn't there some selling involved with the 7vs7 match as well?
Yes. Each member of the Nexus sold for the RAW team before Slater and Sheffield tore their heads off one by one leaving Bourne and Kidd to make scared little boy faces in the corner. And Justin Gabriel needed to be pulled out of the ring and saved by the other NNNNNs lest he get run over by the steamroller known as Jerry Lawler.
Originally posted by El Nastio Either way I'm happy with how this is playing out.
Originally posted by El NastioI want to point out that Darren Young got DESTROYED by John Cena that one week. Which, I might add, was referenced by Skip Sheffield a week or two later as them "willing to take hits for the team" in a nice little nod.
Barrett - the leader of the Nexus - didn't exactly squash Edge - the first top-level guy to take on a Nexus member in a singles match - on RAW Monday. In fact, I was impressed both in how much Barrett sold for Edge - that it was an actual "match" instead of an instant Nexus beatdown or Barrett talking his way out of it - and how Edge (ten-time World Champ) managed to make it look like Barrett (who was just on the rookie show four weeks or so ago) was nearly his in-ring equal.
Holy fuck shit motherfucker shit. Read comics. Fuck shit shit fuck shit I sold out when I did my job. Fuck fuck fuck shit fuck. Sorry had to do it....
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Originally posted by ekedolphinI haven't been watching on a regular basis; how long has Sheamus been doing the Razor's Edge? That's one of my favorite wrestling moves.
I also loved the Razor's Edge, but if you're truly a fan of that move then you'd recognize that Sheamus's move isn't really a Razor's Edge. Sheamus takes a running start and then throws his guy forward. Razor Ramon basically just fell to his knees and slammed his opponent down without releasing him. Much more powerbomb-y, if that makes sense.
To answer your question though, I think Sheamus has been doing it for awhile (i.e., at least a few months). I can't say for certain because he seems to be in love with his stupid big boot finisher, so his crucifix move doesn't always come into play. But I know I've seen him use it more than a few times since I went back to watching RAW every week (thanks, Bret!). Not sure if I'd ever heard the commentators give it a name before this week though.
Also, a random thought about Randy Orton. This has probably been mentioned before, and even if it hasn't I'm a little embarrassed that I hadn't picked up on this already. I've never been a big fan of this "Viper" persona the E has been trying to run with. Something about it just seems kinda-- cheesy? Forced? Not sure what. But while watching RAW this week it crossed my mind that Jim Ross called Steve Austin the "Rattlesnake" just about as often as Michael Cole calls Randy Orton the "Viper." Is that just a coincidence? And is it also a coincidence that they both use a variation of the ace crusher as their finisher? Orton and Austin didn't really take the same path to tweenerdom/facedom but nonetheless it's starting to look to me like modern day Orton is kind of like a PG version of late 90s Austin.
From everything I've read (in others, who knows how reliable it is), sounds like the writing staff doesn't really warm to people with an actual wrestling background. Dreamer and Heyman both fit that description.