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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
    Originally posted by The Guinness.
    Kinda agree with TheBucsFan, yet still impressive to watch. Shoulda saved it for the PPV for sure. Perfect way to keep Orton a tweener.



    (edited by The Guinness. on 13.7.10 0307)


I disagree with TheBucsFan. It was AWESOME. Nitpicking a never-before-seen, improbable move makes no sense to me. "It could have been done better"? Who the hell knew it could be done at all?! It was awesome. A career highlight reel moment for Orton and Bourne.

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.99
Hokey smoke, that RKO is video-game awesome.

I saw the man event match, and I was disappointed that the Nexus guys were content to use suplexes and back drops to work over Cena. I understand they run the risk of being interesting --> cool --> popular if they use more than basic moves before hitting their finishers. But six guys in a tag match should go with double-team moves. That's a fundamental element of a tag match. You've got to the count of five to clear the ring after a tag. Maye they ARE rookies.

Sheamus grasping Cena's skirt to fight off Nexus works for the character. I don't see it as a face turn at all. He needs protection, and Cena, despite being the main target of Nexus, is the best option against them. Maybe I would have bought his alleged face turn if he could competently handle a chair.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Who the hell knew it could be done at all?!


Well, I still haven't seen any evidence that it can be done at all.

The way I see it, there were two options for this move: Have Orton stay down until Bourne was in the air, in which case it is physically impossible for Orton to get in position to deliver it; or have Orton start moving while Bourne was still on the turnbuckle, making Bourne look like an idiot.

If all it took to be cool was theory, there would be a million things just like this that could be "done" then. Hey, I like the idea of a tombstone piledriver from the roof of the building onto a flaming bed of thumbtacks and human skulls. Nevermind that it can't actually be done well, it never occurred to me that it can be done at all!

Personally, I still like a little realism. (I know, I know, why the hell am I watching WWE then, right?)



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.72
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Hokey smoke, that RKO is video-game awesome.

    You've got to the count of five to clear the ring after a tag. Maye they ARE rookies.



Well the one guy who could have told them they have until five is not there. *chuckle. Had to get that one in*

the RKO..perhaps it doesn't look perfect but at least this way Evan came out alive. I'd think the risks of grabbing him anywhere before he's horizontal/paralel with the mat are too big. His body could be hitting the mat while Orton holds his head 4 feet off the mat. Ooops.




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Who the hell knew it could be done at all?!


    Well, I still haven't seen any evidence that it can be done at all.

    The way I see it, there were two options for this move: Have Orton stay down until Bourne was in the air, in which case it is physically impossible for Orton to get in position to deliver it; or have Orton start moving while Bourne was still on the turnbuckle, making Bourne look like an idiot.

    If all it took to be cool was theory, there would be a million things just like this that could be "done" then. Hey, I like the idea of a tombstone piledriver from the roof of the building onto a flaming bed of thumbtacks and human skulls. Nevermind that it can't actually be done well, it never occurred to me that it can be done at all!


Wow. For the good of the pro wrestling industry, please catch the next train to Stamford, Connecticut and offer World Wrestling Entertainment your services in teaching all their Superstars how to perform their moves correctly.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.88
Awesome move. And I hate Orton but I will give him total props on this as the execution (and safety) of this move was squarely on his shoulders. He jumped up at the right time, hit the move clean and made sure Bourne was never in harms way. Kudos Randy. HOWEVER, they blew it. If that was the finish to the Money in the Bank match and led to Orton climbing the ladder, it would have been that much better. But now, if they use it on the PPV we already saw it and the WOW factor is gone.

Similar to Jericho landing the Codebreaker on Bourne in mid air a few weeks ago, but more impressive since Bourne flew a long way across the ring.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
    Originally posted by Tenken347
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        Originally posted by redsoxnation
        He took the pin, but that might have been the worst case of Super Cena yet. Take 3 finishers, get pinned, then mysteriously be fresher than you were before the 6 on 1 to grab a chair. That is bordering on Helmsley at his worst.


      Yeha, that pissed me off. he took the 450, then not even a minute later jumped right up like nothing happened.


    I thought the same thing, but that's what the booking called for there. He had to run out and get the chair before the Nexus could stop him, so he had to be moving. I'd blame bad booking over Cena - I'm really not sure how else he was supposed to do that.

    On another note, I was just thinking about Doink the Clown. Evil Clown - good gimmick; Regular Clown - not so much. But who was playing him last night?


Oh, I know it's all about the booking, but good Lord, that was bad.

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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
        Originally posted by John Orquiola
        Who the hell knew it could be done at all?!


      Well, I still haven't seen any evidence that it can be done at all.

      The way I see it, there were two options for this move: Have Orton stay down until Bourne was in the air, in which case it is physically impossible for Orton to get in position to deliver it; or have Orton start moving while Bourne was still on the turnbuckle, making Bourne look like an idiot.

      If all it took to be cool was theory, there would be a million things just like this that could be "done" then. Hey, I like the idea of a tombstone piledriver from the roof of the building onto a flaming bed of thumbtacks and human skulls. Nevermind that it can't actually be done well, it never occurred to me that it can be done at all!


    Wow. For the good of the pro wrestling industry, please catch the next train to Stamford, Connecticut and offer World Wrestling Entertainment your services in teaching all their Superstars how to perform their moves correctly.


That's a bullshit argument. I certainly hope you've never criticized the execution of a move ever. I certainly hope you've never criticized the performance of an actor in a big-budget film. I certainly hope you've never criticized anyone ever who is doing something you haven't mastered yourself.

More and more on WWE TV it seems like there are moves that are impossible to believe are real - and if you aren't suspending disbelief, if you're thinking the whole time, "this is all fake and pointless," then what's the point? There are at least three or four times a week when I find myself thinking, "they really expect me to pretend this is real?" Usually it's because of totally blown moves or kicks that cameras clearly show were a foot away from the intended victim, but every once in a while there's a move like this that just has no purpose.*

What was impressive about the move? Orton didn't touch him until he was already on the mat, so it couldn't have been the RKO part ... but all that leaves is the same move we've seen Bourne do a million times. If what you mean is you want me to teach them how to go touch a guy's head after he's bellyflopped from the turnbuckle to the mat, though, I can absolutely do that.

* - if you're wondering why I still watch, it's because I'm curious to see where the NXT angle is going, and if it ties into whoever they choose as GM. It's the most compelling storyline they've had since Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk, in my opinion.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 13.7.10 1106)


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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Why did they have Barrett be the one to take all of Cena's comeback offense? Otunga or Slater would have been much better choices to eat the near pin to protect Barrett for a potential singles match down the line. Sheffield came off looking the best on NXT this week in every category except making CRAZYFACES at people, where Tarver shines. I want a Tarver/Orton feud at some point so they can replace the Steiner/HHH posedown for a crazy-face-making competition.

Is Evan Bourne's character supposed to be mute? If not, they should just run like that now, or have him communicate solely through whistling and chirping noises like the kid from Battle of the Planets. NXT's attacks this week were on Bourne, Tatsu and Morrison, so it's clear they were focusing on Cena's allies who have difficulty communicating in English.

Ha ha, I kid poor Morrison, but I still like him for making JR look like a jackass way back in his first appearance on Tough Enough, and he both took the best beating from NXT and gave the best hit, that brutal-looking back elbow on Slater. Pulling out of the aborted Starship Pain to land on his feet was a nice visual, too.

Finally, DiBiase Jr.'s vow to win "Money In Bank" was a hint that he's gone and hired back-up to help him in the Money in the Bank match and protect him from NXT: expect him to show up at the PPV flanked by the team of Tonto, Frankenstein and Tarzan.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
It seems that the solution would have been for Bourne to be attempting the move on someone else, only to eat the mid-air RKO. Sure it wouldn't have tied into last week, but the visual would have most likely made up for it.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.59
Florence Henderson looks unbelievable for a 76 year old woman. Not only her looks and body but her energy in the ring.

Mark Henry added to the PPV for the WTF moment during the ladder match.

I wonder if it was Matt Bourne who played Doink tonight?

I don't like how Sheamus was booked tonight. I guess though it was meant to keep you guessing on what he going to do.

Khali is getting worse in the ring. I understand why they keep him on the roster, international appeal. But still, he's really awful now and looks like he is having problems even walking to the ring.

Yea, and them not trusting Bourne's move to Orton.. boo hiss.... Either that, or they wanted to wet your appetite for the real thing during the PPV.

Is it me or does the Uso's have zero appeal?

And what a waste of Regal's talent.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.91
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    Florence Henderson looks unbelievable for a 76 year old woman. Not only her looks and body but her energy in the ring.


@IAmJericho Florence Henderson is Linda McMahons doppleganger....



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
I think some people are missing the point of the NeXuS. The booking of this (and Cena) has been pretty damn perfect. They have basically taken 7 green indy guys and turned them into the biggest heels in the company. They arent supposed to be the nWo, or the Horsemen, or even Evolution, they are 7 rookies who are only succeeding because of their bond (hence Nexus).

Thats why the Raw roster cant defeat them. The Raw heels dont care and the Raw faces are being picked off one by one. Meanwhile, the nexus remain united. When one was finally caught alone...he was shelved (Darren Young).

This angle has allowed the rooks to show some personality (Tarver), some intensity (Sheffield), and to showcase their ability (Gabriel). If anything, Otunga, Young, and Slater are being outshined. As most have already stated, Barrett has the potential to be a star so his leadership role only elevates him further. If you stop and think at what theyve created out of nothing, its pretty damn impressive.

I honestly dont care about Super-Cena against these guys. The only one that should be slightly protected is Barrett, as their inevitable singles program should pull $$$$$.

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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.52
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Its a great idea of booking for Nexus to go after the face of the WWE ie Cena and destroy him. They did a great job, the first night, but to be fair that is all they have done that has been booked right.


I think every TV angle they've done has been really good in and of itself. The problem for me is that there's no consistent storyline because it's changed who knows how many times since the first angle. Maybe they've settled on a real destination point now and will start to get specific with it after they clear MITB and start the TV for SummerSlam.

Something tells me you'll be calling TNA's ECW angle "better than NXT!!" by week 1.5 but hey, that's your thing.


    Cena should have been put on the shelf til SummerSlam or maybe the PPV after it.


I would've settled for an entire week. But every week he comes out and passionately says "these jackals tried to end MY LIFE and I HATES IT" and then they beat him to death again and he's still quite upset.

(WWE is terrible about any kind of longterm selling in general, not just with Cena. Such as the four weeks in June where they did injury angles on Orton's shoulder that made his arm stronger each time.)

It's not like the seven guys need to be an unstoppable force though. Their portrayal has been really good in that they're a united front who take people down in numbers and Wade's cunning British ideas. Ideally they should've been backup that helped Barrett and Danielson be main event level threats. Instead it's just Barrett. It'd be nice if they got Danielson back in time for when they actually had to start having their matches but that's probably not going to happen. The first 7-on-7 WWE vs. Nexus match will probably have a lot of heat but it's asking a lot of those guys to be in an intricately booked main event tag match.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
Not much hate for that Morrison promo, but I will be glad to do so. I know this is the PG era, but it also was in Piper and Heenan's day too, and they were still funny. That was brutal, and the only reason i didn't turn back to the Home Run Derby was of how hot Maryse is. But turn that guy heel, his face turn has not changed his position on the card, and it has been a year now. It's just not working.

Until that RKO, I was going to say they are dropping the ball with Orton. It wasn't quite Shawn hitting the chin music on Shelton, but still pretty sweet. So they bought themselves a little time with me for now. But all the talk I hear of him being the next mega, Austin-like star, I am just not seeing it. Maybe the injury held up their plans?

Basically this was a one move show. Nexus isn't really doing it for me anymore (did they all have to wear the shirt? NNNNNNNNN), but I am coming around on Sheamus.




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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
    Originally posted by kentish
    Not much hate for that Morrison promo, but I will be glad to do so. I know this is the PG era, but it also was in Piper and Heenan's day too, and they were still funny. That was brutal, and the only reason i didn't turn back to the Home Run Derby was of how hot Maryse is. But turn that guy heel, his face turn has not changed his position on the card, and it has been a year now. It's just not working.


Oh Lord, I hated that promo. Sugary babyface John Morrison is just... ugh. And now he and Cena have the same joke writers. Kings of comedy, those two.


    Basically this was a one move show. Nexus isn't really doing it for me anymore (did they all have to wear the shirt? NNNNNNNNN)


Like Chevy Chase in Caddyshack. NNNNNNNNNNN.


    but I am coming around on Sheamus.


Indeed. His running away from Nexus screaming for Cena was the first thing that fella's ever done I liked.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.06
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan

    That's a bullshit argument. I certainly hope you've never criticized the execution of a move ever. I certainly hope you've never criticized the performance of an actor in a big-budget film. I certainly hope you've never criticized anyone ever who is doing something you haven't mastered yourself.

    More and more on WWE TV it seems like there are moves that are impossible to believe are real - and if you aren't suspending disbelief, if you're thinking the whole time, "this is all fake and pointless," then what's the point? There are at least three or four times a week when I find myself thinking, "they really expect me to pretend this is real?" Usually it's because of totally blown moves or kicks that cameras clearly show were a foot away from the intended victim, but every once in a while there's a move like this that just has no purpose.*

    What was impressive about the move? Orton didn't touch him until he was already on the mat, so it couldn't have been the RKO part ... but all that leaves is the same move we've seen Bourne do a million times. If what you mean is you want me to teach them how to go touch a guy's head after he's bellyflopped from the turnbuckle to the mat, though, I can absolutely do that.

    * - if you're wondering why I still watch, it's because I'm curious to see where the NXT angle is going, and if it ties into whoever they choose as GM. It's the most compelling storyline they've had since Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk, in my opinion.

    (edited by TheBucsFan on 13.7.10 1106)


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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan

      That's a bullshit argument. I certainly hope you've never criticized the execution of a move ever. I certainly hope you've never criticized the performance of an actor in a big-budget film. I certainly hope you've never criticized anyone ever who is doing something you haven't mastered yourself.

      More and more on WWE TV it seems like there are moves that are impossible to believe are real - and if you aren't suspending disbelief, if you're thinking the whole time, "this is all fake and pointless," then what's the point? There are at least three or four times a week when I find myself thinking, "they really expect me to pretend this is real?" Usually it's because of totally blown moves or kicks that cameras clearly show were a foot away from the intended victim, but every once in a while there's a move like this that just has no purpose.*

      What was impressive about the move? Orton didn't touch him until he was already on the mat, so it couldn't have been the RKO part ... but all that leaves is the same move we've seen Bourne do a million times. If what you mean is you want me to teach them how to go touch a guy's head after he's bellyflopped from the turnbuckle to the mat, though, I can absolutely do that.

      * - if you're wondering why I still watch, it's because I'm curious to see where the NXT angle is going, and if it ties into whoever they choose as GM. It's the most compelling storyline they've had since Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk, in my opinion.

      (edited by TheBucsFan on 13.7.10 1106)


    I am fully capable of watching a TV show knowing it's not real and enjoying it.


But are you capable of reading? I'm pretty sure I used the phrase "suspending disbelief" there. I'm pretty sure I used the word realism too.

Oh shit I didn't realize who I was responding to.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.15
I very much liked Ted Dibiase's suit. It was probably the best suit I've ever seen in a wrestling ring. I liked Maryse's dress as well but only because it looked primed for a malfunction if she had to bail out of the ring quickly.

For all of the disbelief that Edge won a match with the Edge-o-Matic, I can't believe anyone has picked up on what happened. It was a loaded suit jacket! C'mon, if ANYBODY in the history of professional wrestling were smart enough to develop a loaded suit jacket, it would surely be Chris Jericho! Edge didn't win with the Edge-o-Matic, he simply hit that move after Orton was knocked unconscious by a loaded jacket! The Edge-o-Matic actually brought Orton *back* to consciousness but he was still to groggy to kick out in time.

The last time someone tried a Shooting Star Press from that distance in a WWE ring, he nearly broke his neck as well except not on purpose.

That would be a great side gimmick for Skip Sheffield, completely ignore anyone who talks to him and then respond to people who didn't say anything.

It would be awesome if, when the anonymous GM finally reveals himself, he had a black eye or broken arm or somesuch from Mark Henry knocking him out from over the Internet.

Speaking of which, I wonder if the WWE is stupid enough to have the GM actually connected to the Internet. I'd love to see the look on Cole's face if he got up to read an email and somebody hacked into the laptop and started playing 2 Girls, 1 Cup.

Once the Nexus storyline has run it's course, will we get the logical team of Heath Slater and Sheamus as the Ginger Express?

Sheamus is becoming more awesome by the week. I would actually consider paying to see him in a Judd Apatow movie.

When they stressed the point that no WWE superstars could interfere in Cena's handicap match, I kept expecting Lawler to factor into it some how. It would have been awesome if all of the legends had shown up to jump Nexus but I suppose half of them are probably still legit sore from the last confrontation plus it wouldn't have made much sense with Steamboat not being able to participate.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19

First of all, I love evil Doink. Always have. Friendly Doink totally sucks, but evil Doink rules. And this Doink wasn't just evil, he looked as sleazy as Krusty the Clown on top of that. As far as the reason they brought him back is concerned, well, the new RAW Seasons 1 and 2 DVD will be released soon an he is heavily featured.

Other than that: RKO was great! Stop nitpicking, please.


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    (did they all have to wear the shirt? NNNNNNNNN)


It wasn't NNNNNNNNN. It was NNNNNN!

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