Super classy to thank the production crew. And I really liked how he basically said, "I have no plans to ever wrestle again," without saying "I will never wrestle again." I just liked that he knew better than to say never. The stuff with the Harts and MizShow was also great. Miz and Show have finally found the right dynamic, I think. A program with these guys could be great, and it's nice to see Bret sticking around to give somebody else a bit of a rub.
I have been saying for a while that Shawn was pretty much the only reason I watch Raw on a regular basis. Let's see if I can back those words up. Even if it is not forever, that was a perfect send off to the greatest in ring performer ever. Thanks for the memories, HBK.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Normally I go in order of what I thought about each match but last night was HBK's farewell night.
I actually had to hold back the tears as we all witnessed arguably the greatest entertainer to step through the ropes and without say, one of the greatest wrestlers in wrestling history (not just the WWE).
In wrestling, a lot of things are scripted but the emotion and the speech itself could have never been done by any writer.
Thanks HBK for everything and now a huge void lingers in the WWE that not one person will be able to fill in our lifetime.
How good must it feel for Miz to go from the entirely-hated host of the Diva Search a couple of years back, to a multi-title holding darling of the IWC now? He's earned it. I can't think of any area in which he hasn't improved vastly within the past couple of years. His promo work is, to me, the best in the business right now. You can tell he does his homework and is a real fan of the art. His in-ring work has gotten a lot better, to the point that he's now carrying people who used to carry him. He's in great shape compared to how he was even a year ago. And even though he's a heel, he keeps in touch with his fan base. His "17 wins away from a tie with Undertaker" comment originated from a fan of his on Twitter. He's one of the top heels in the company, and it's to the point now where whenever he has a face turn down the road, the fans will be itching to cheer him on. He's quickly becoming my favorite performer.
The diva stuff was just... nonsense. Somebody made a comment to Maria on Twitter last night that prompted her to respond that if the divas were given more time then maybe they'd be able to have better quality matches. Judging by their inability to pull off even the most basic moves without potentially killing each other, I'd have to disagree. But I wonder how many of the divas share the same frustration that Maria does and just keep quiet about it. Does anybody know if the divas, with their one-minute matches, make more than the Knockouts? If not, or if it's around the same, I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of them jump ship in the near future.
I was worried last night that the impromptu match with ShowMiz & the Harts was gonna be an immediate title change, and I'm glad they've gone for the slow burn instead. It'll be that much better for the Harts when they win once the fans actually get behind them.
Wow, that crowd really shit all over the Hot Tub Time Machine guys, huh? To their credit, they adapted pretty quickly and made the switch to acting more heelish than they otherwise would have. I think the crowds in general are just turning on the guest host concept. Now how long until the WWE recognizes this and decides to pull the plug? I don't think the ratings would drop as much as I think they fear.
The whole Shawn Michaels retirement thing had me on edge all night. I was worried all along that despite what some insiders have said, it was gonna be spun into some new angle. The Triple H/Sheamus stuff made it seem likely, and I even worried when Triple H came out at the end. And when I heard Undertaker's music, I feared I was right. Thank god I wasn't. While I still wish that the night would have been completely his, a la Ric Flair, and that we could have heard memories and well-wishing from other wrestlers... what we got was still special in its own way. He was genuinely moved by the fact that WE were all moved, and it's one of those moments that make me proud to be a fan.
He was my favorite wrestler growing up, and while my tastes may have changed over time and I tired of the DX stuff, he'll always be credited to me as being the reason I became so obsessed with this crazy shit. I remember as a kid acting out his ring entrance and emulating his moves, buying all of his merchandise... His run for his first championship is one of my favorite memories of watching wrestling. It's one of the last times that I was still an innocent wrestling fan, cheering for the good guy until he achieved his dream. Wrestlemania XII was the first PPV that I saved up my own money to buy, because I just had to see him win that title. I spent weeks shoveling snow and doing oddjobs to scrape together enough money just to see Shawn Michaels. And just like always, he didn't disappoint. Every penny of my hard-earned money felt well-spent when I saw him grasping that title with tears coming down his face. I get chills every time I remember that night, and last night, watching him retire, I got them again. I'd forgotten how much Shawn Michaels meant to me as a wrestler, and even more, how much he meant to my childhood. I'm glad he gets to leave on his own terms and with nothing but optimism for the future. And I'm grateful for the reminder of why I became a lifetime wrestling fan. Although I can't say I've appreciated him as much as I should've lately, I will miss him. Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior and all of the other wrestlers I grew up with were great, but Shawn Michaels was my first and only wrestling hero.
The girlfriend, who usually playfully mocks pro wrestling when we watch it together, was stone silent during the HBK speech at the end.
RKO becoming a face again was awesome. And we got the POSE!~ again. That was excellent. For what it's worth, I'm a huge Orton fan; and his Voices theme is my ringtone on my phone.
The HBK send-off was really awesome, but I gotta wonder why they didn't give any props to HBK's origins: Marty Janetty and the Midnight Rockers - but I'm gonna guess they'll put it on another DVD set. Or as an added bonus feature for the WM26 set.
Other notes: I hated the Divas match. I wish they'd do something substantial with them. I can't get enough Vickie, though.
Anyone get the feeling that Bret's gonna stick around for a while? I thought the match between the Hart Dynasty and ShoMiz was really good, and it was nice seeing a team go from relative obscurity to nearly besting the champions. All within a few weeks, no less.
Originally posted by Amos CochranWith Orton becoming SuperFace, maybe they'll finally pull the trigger on a Cena turn somewhere down the line. That could be HUGE.
No way. Cena sells an insane amount of merch and until his merch sales go down by a lot Vince won't even consider it. It is not like they haven't gone with two mega stars being the top two faces in the past.
I havent watched a RAW that felt "special" or "big" in a long time, but that was it. Thhhwagger's gimme-my-title-match-right-now-no-wait-wait-nevermind was great, Miz IS awesome and so is Show, plus they did a FANTASTIC job of putting the Hart Dynasty over in 5 minutes in a way WWE hadnt done in the previous 12 months. I dont know how I feel about Bret Hart the Manager though. He's never really been a RAH-RAH GO GET 'EM kind of guy, and he cant take bumps so you know he'll never get physically involved. Maybe he continues his feud with Vince? I dont know.
I havent visited any of the newzboardz for a long time, so I didnt see Shawn's retirement coming at all. I mean, I knew he was gonna lose the "career" vs. streak match going in, but I didnt know that was really supposed to be his retirement match until last night. Made the WM match and the retirement speech feel a little more real to me (dammit!).
HHH and Shameus still bore me to tears. Separate or together, I'm just not into either of them.
The Divas sure look hott in bikinis (and the cameraman shying away from showing too much of them on their way out of the hot tub reminded me of how PG WWE has become) but the whole division is totally spinning their wheels right now, but why? A few months ago, they had 2-3 different angles going at a time. Now they all have to be on TV at the same time or not at all? Diva battle royal matches, Diva lumberjill matches, Diva 10-person tag matches, etc. Weird.
I like the new face-status of Orton (even though I still dont like him as a person), but where does he go from here? Batista's busy with Cena, he has no title for MITB winner Thhwagger to chase, Jericho is busy with Edge, who's left?
Originally posted by GameCrazyHow good must it feel for Miz to go from the entirely-hated host of the Diva Search a couple of years back, to a multi-title holding darling of the IWC now? He's earned it. I can't think of any area in which he hasn't improved vastly within the past couple of years. His promo work is, to me, the best in the business right now. You can tell he does his homework and is a real fan of the art.
Oh I don't know about The Miz being the top promo in the E right now. He's in the top 5 definitely, but I say the top spot goes to one CM Punk. Chris Jericho isn't far behind either.
Forfeit the game, before somebody else takes you outta the game, and puts your name to shame Cover up your face, you can't run the race The pace is too fast, you just won't last - "Points Of Authority" - Linkin Park
Originally posted by thecubsfan Big Show as sensible veteran to hot headed Miz is another one of those moments. It's a great bit, though.
The Big Show has finally found his groove as tag-team wrestler. His interactions with other wrestlers has always been really strong, and it solves the this guy is bigger than everybody and should be destroying them but we don't want him as the champ problem.
I'd like to be like everyone else and believe Shawn, but I really don't. If he can stay away from wrestling for a year or more I'll be semi impressed.
The Shawn Michaels sendoff was such a surreal moment for me. I believe this retirement's legit and have thought as much since the Streak v. Career match was first announced. Shawn Michaels is in his 40's. Unless he wants to turn into Hogan and Flair and wrestle into his 60's, it's time to ride off into the sunset and I really do believe he's decided to do so. He can't be the Heartbreak Kid forever. I will miss him greatly, as he's been a huge part of my wrestling fandom since childhood. I was live in attendance when he won his first world title. There's no other like him and it'll feel that much weirder to tune in without him there. And I'm sure he's thankful to get to retire while he's still in one piece, like Austin and Rocky did ten years ago.
The rest of the show's a blur to me. It was all Shawn, all the time for me.
Originally posted by It's FalseUnless he wants to turn into Hogan and Flair and wrestle into his 60's, it's time to ride off into the sunset and I really do believe he's decided to do so.
To be fair, Hogan and Flair were financially crippled by divorces (in Flair's case, three of 'em) and I'm fairly certain that is the only reason they still wrestle. I'm sure if the same thing happened to Shawn and he was broke, he'd return, but hopefully that never happens.
Looks like Shawn's really done. It would really shit on his legacy to go back after they job they did here. A fantastic career, which may never be matched.
But now what possible reason could I have to watch RAW? Your one guaranteed good-to-great match of the night is now gone. I am sad.
(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 1.4.10 0120) Quiet, Or Papa Spank!
I have this episode on my DVR. It'll take some work, but I'll try to sync it up with your commentary, CRZ. I watched a little of it over the weekend. Willie Mack's finisher is just a tad overcomplicated.