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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.14
    Originally posted by dwaters
      Originally posted by dMr

      I have not a clue who Jared from Subway is, but I guess that's why God gave us Google.



    I forget that this show goes out globally and that people overseas would have no clue who Jared is or even NASCAR drivers or half the celebrity hosts for that matter.
You'd be surprised how many times I've either not known who the guest host was, or had to explain who they were to my flatmate. Of course some of this is through old age, or blind ignorance of pop culture (I had no idea who the Napoleon Dynamite guy was) but for a company that has pretty wide global appeal, they sure pick a few guest hosts who would struggle to be recognised outside of North America.

As it turns out, I do know who Jared is! Or at least I've seen a South Park episode (en.wikipedia.org) many moons ago where they ripped on him a bit.

    Originally posted by rv581
    Could someone here with a medical background please delve into a little detail about the risks of stroke victims engaging in physical activity?

No medical background, but some experience of family and friends who had strokes.

Suffice to say the long-term effects of a stroke can range from the relatively minor which would allow high levels of physical activity, to death which obviously wouldn't. Like I say, no medical background, but strokes come in various levels of severity and I've seen both sides of the coin so I can't imagine anyone with expertise in that area would give you a sinificantly different answer.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.06
    Originally posted by rv581
    Could someone here with a medical background please delve into a little detail about the risks of stroke victims engaging in physical activity?
I think the issue is not just the stroke, but also the concussion (or series of concussions) that ended Bret's in-ring career. Both a stroke and a concussion injure the brain, so one bad shot to the head could potentially be very dangerous. Having said that, he could probably work a full, safe match - but is it worth taking the risk?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.41
    Originally posted by rv581
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
      - Bret and Vince have a match? Fine by me if it happens. Can Bret get himself in better shape in eight weeks? I think probably so. Would they actually put Bret in serious danger? I don't think so. Besides, Bret had a stroke - Tedy Bruschi had a stroke and came back to play linebacker for the Patriots. Bret didn't look completely lost when he was dealing with the security guys, IMO.


    Good point about Bruschi. Could someone here with a medical background please delve into a little detail about the risks of stroke victims engaging in physical activity?




Well... I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. But for what it's worth, my pastor's a stroke survivor; he had one several years before I knew him and you'd never be able to tell. Granted, he's not a professional athlete.

A stroke affects some people worse than others. (And obviously, it can be fatal in some cases.) I can only assume that Bret's been training himself for this match; they're not gonna throw him out there and risk liability issues if they weren't sure it was safe. I would think.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.86
So.....no lowering from the rafters attached to a quick-release harness, then. Gotcha.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.69
    Originally posted by CRZ
    So.....no lowering from the rafters attached to a quick-release harness, then. Gotcha.

The only possible response to that can be the following:

Dood.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.39
When Vince is on and brings his A game like he has been the last couple of weeks there might not be a more entertaining character in the business. Seeing him tell Bret no and that he deserved to be screwed before running for the hills was just great work.

I'm still not comfortable watching Bret try and do stuff. I would like to think that he was getting into some kind of performing shape before he showed up on Raw, but I'm starting to doubt that now. He looks better than he did the first week, but he still looks really old and clumsy out there making me wonder if he can even guest referee a full PPV match these days.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 9.2.10 1639)
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.45
So if HBK/Taker II does happen, would that make it the first time two guys faced each other in back-to-back Wrestlemanias?
(not counting Battle Royals). I can't seem to recall any match happening two years in a row.

EDIT: Forgot about Hogan and Andre in WM 3 & 4.



(edited by dwaters on 9.2.10 1423)
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.44
E&C vs. Hardys vs. Dudleys
Benoit vs. Angle (vs. Jericho)
Foley vs. Show (vs. Rock vs. HHH)

(edited by JustinShapiro on 9.2.10 1703)
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.82
    Originally posted by dwaters
    So if HBK/Taker II does happen, would that make it the first time two guys faced each other in back-to-back Wrestlemanias?
    (not counting Battle Royals). I can't seem to recall any match happening two years in a row.

    EDIT: Forgot about Hogan and Andre in WM 3 & 4.



    (edited by dwaters on 9.2.10 1423)


It would be the first back to back 1-on-1 wrestlemania match between two wrestlers who did not meet as the result of a tournament in the HISTORY OF THIS GREAT SPORT*. (Edit: Pending your interpretation of Bret V. Yoko at WM 10)

* However, when you (edit: WE) start doing absurd stats like this, it starts to become silly to even construct the stat period**.

** That being said, I totally expect someone to make the call "THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN WRESTLEMANIA HISTORY THAT TWO WWE SUPERSTARS HAVE WRESTLED EACH OTHER IN BACK TO BACK WRESTLEMANIAS" at some point during the broadcast. (I'll go ahead and thank Cole [or Striker] in advance for giving us about 30 seconds of footage in the next Wrestlemania edition of Botchamania.)



(edited by Shadowhendrix on 9.2.10 1659)
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.17
I'm still not comfortable watching Bret try and do stuff. I would like to think that he was getting into some kind of performing shape before he showed up on Raw, but I'm starting to doubt that now. He looks better than he did the first week, but he still looks really old and clumsy out there making me wonder if he can even guest referee a full PPV match these days.

I'm thinking he knows how to work. It would be a hell of a suspension of disbelief for him to come back strong. I thought he looked great - and perfect for the role.

As opposed to that Cactus and Nash nonsense. And the rest of TNA's New Breed of washed up bums

One would have to think that due to the Wellness Policy that Bret would have had to check out in some kind of reasonable shape. Or one would have to hope, maybe? I'd like to think he's working

That almost Batista Bomb and Vince actions last week looked even better the second time around. Great package - and a smart idea for Cena to get the audience jacked up. Bret's promos are fine for the drama, but this was not a drama night. Party time - and time to see someone freak out and give an ass kicking

The shows are on quite the roll. Maybe they did need competition, for what it is

FLEA

(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 9.2.10 1805)


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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.10

was a little dissapointed that they didn't give gail and jillian more time as jillian can really wrestle and i think they could have a good match. but it did serve it's purpose of establishing gail strongly (which is a good thing considering the way they had been handling her). hopefully the title match will get some real time, it should be great if booking doesn't interfere with it.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.12
    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by rv581
      Could someone here with a medical background please delve into a little detail about the risks of stroke victims engaging in physical activity?
    I think the issue is not just the stroke, but also the concussion (or series of concussions) that ended Bret's in-ring career. Both a stroke and a concussion injure the brain, so one bad shot to the head could potentially be very dangerous. Having said that, he could probably work a full, safe match - but is it worth taking the risk?


I would agree to that. Some (and few people) can come back from head injuries or other situations such as a stroke. The combination of the two in my opinion makes Bret Hart a lot more likely to suffer something worse if per say he took a Batista Bomb, which I would imagine is a high impact maneuver and takes some getting used to in the wrestling business. Ever since the concussion-kick from Goldberg, Bret Hart has really never been the same, as I believe it ended his wrestling career.

Bret does look better compared to his first appearance on Raw but still, I would not risk going into a full match.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.41
Bret actually wrestled a few times after the Goldberg kick. It was almost a few months til he finally convinced himself to see a doctor. He actually had a pain the ass time convincing the Lloyds of London doctor, he had a concussion after seeing a number of specialists who told him flat out he had a sever concussion. The doctor even made fun of Stu's stroke to get Bret pissed enough to attack him. WCW even fired him over the concussion prior to Vince buying them. He has had zero luck since the screwjob.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
    Originally posted by CRZ
    So.....no lowering from the rafters attached to a quick-release harness, then. Gotcha.








Would be a great way for Vince to go out for the match though.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.92
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    EDIT: Best part of the show was the old Million Dollar Man skits. Ted DiBiase was so great as a heel. I only wish the world could have seen him in Mid South, he was so much better than what they gave him to do in the WWF.


I forgot about this until I saw the HoF Video again during ECW...why was DiBiase dressed like Dracula when he picked up his Million Dollar Belt at the jeweler?

His over-the-top reaction (and his hair) in that clip is outstanding, over-the-top cartoon villiany at its finest.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
If anyone is interested in the French, in the backstage segment from a week ago, Maryse told Gail something like, "You realize that there is no way that you can beat me?"

This week, she told Gail that Gail smelled like trash from 100 feet away, that she was pathetic and that Maryse pitied her.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by Llakor
    If anyone is interested in the French, in the backstage segment from a week ago, Maryse told Gail something like, "You realize that there is no way that you can beat me?"

    This week, she told Gail that Gail smelled like trash from 100 feet away, that she was pathetic and that Maryse pitied her.


As others have mentioned, I'd like to see the payoff of this angle to be that Gail can speak French.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
Have they mentioned Bret's stroke on-air? It happened like eight years ago, right? I feel like that's long enough ago that many (most?) people will forget that it happened, forgotten the details of its severity, or perhaps even didn't even know it happened. I have to admit that if I wasn't reading the RAW thread from the January 4th episode I would have completely forgotten about it myself. He's been out of the news for too long for something like that to stay fresh in our memories. I bring this up only to point out that suspension of disbelief may not be that hard for a large segment of the audience.
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      EDIT: Best part of the show was the old Million Dollar Man skits. Ted DiBiase was so great as a heel. I only wish the world could have seen him in Mid South, he was so much better than what they gave him to do in the WWF.


    I forgot about this until I saw the HoF Video again during ECW...why was DiBiase dressed like Dracula when he picked up his Million Dollar Belt at the jeweler?

    His over-the-top reaction (and his hair) in that clip is outstanding, over-the-top cartoon villiany at its finest.

I really miss characters like this. Maybe it's just childhood nostalgia, but they seem so much more compelling to me than most modern day heels.

My favorite part of RAW was the clip of DiBiase offering that sheepish little kid $500 if he could dribble a basketball 15 times, and then proceeding to kick the basketball when the kid got up to 13. I nearly died laughing.

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#39 Posted on
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Have they mentioned Bret's stroke on-air?


They did last week when Bret was talking to Vince. He mentioned suffering the stroke and being laid up in the hospital, unable to do the simplest physical activities and feeling "pathetic". He said that he hated the feeling and vowed to work hard so that he'd never feel pathetic again. But when Vince kicked him in the gut and left him laying, he felt pathetic and wanted payback.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.42
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by StingArmy
    My favorite part of RAW was the clip of DiBiase offering that sheepish little kid $500 if he could dribble a basketball 15 times, and then proceeding to kick the basketball when the kid got up to 13.
I read a DiBiase interview about this a few years ago. Of course the kid was a plant. They told him & his mom how everything was gonna go down and they even rehearsed it a few times (I think he got to go backstage and get autographs and everything too). When they did it in front of the cameras, he actually got sad & legit cried in his mama's arms. Later on, he got to keep the money :)



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