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TONIGHT: Ho-hum, just another edition of Raw, the first of the new year. Wait a minute, Bret Hart is going to be on tonight? And TNA Impact is going head-to-head with Raw? The attempted re-creation of the Monday Night Wars? Zoinks, it IS a big night! Elsewhere tonight: The Hart Dynasty is being advertised, despite being property of Smackdown. Also, DX vs. The Big Show and Chris Jericho for the Unified Tag Titles and this time, if the heels lose, Jericho is off Raw forever! For real this time! An eight-Diva tournament will kick off this evening to crown a new Divas Champion, as Melina had to relinquish the belt due to injury. No John Cena due to his commitments at the Fiesta Bowl either. Plus, Randy Orton vs. Kofi Kingston in the war to settle the score.


-WWE Open.

-Show started out with a video package showing classic footage of Bret Hart. In fact, I think it’s the same video package they aired last week when Mr. McMahon was in the ring.

-They seamlessly transitioned from the “We Want Bret” chants in the video to “We Want Bret” chants live in the arena. Justin Roberts did the honor of introducing Bret Hart. It’s a new, remixed theme. And out he came, looking a bit like Ozzy Osbourne actually. He wore a black jacket, black, pink and white t-shirt, and black jean shorts. Bret’s first words: “Well, I guess hell froze over.” Bret said it’s been 12 years since he’s been in WWE, and people want to know, “why now?” He said the last few years, he’s wanted to come back, but Vince McMahon would always deny him that opportunity. Ha. “Welcome back” chant from the fans. Hart thanked the fans for never letting him be forgotten. Bret said he owes everything to the WWE Universe. Hart said he has tons of memories in the ring, specifically being in the Nutter Center and winning the first King of the Ring (cheap pop). Hart said Jerry Lawler jumped him that night, then he looked over to King and said it was nice to see him. Bret said the first thing he wanted to do was call out Shawn Michaels. And Shawn came out. Did I die and go to wrestling heaven tonight?

The two went face-to-face in the ring. Hart wanted to bury the hatchet and call a truce. Shawn turned his back and walked to the corner. Michaels said before Hart gets his closure, there’s something he’s been waiting 12 years to say to him. Shawn said Bret deserved what happened 12 years ago in Montreal. He said Bret disrespected him and the business, and yes, he did have a hand in what Vince did that night. “You screwed Bret” chants. Michaels said there’s a big part of him that doesn’t regret a bit of it. But….there’s another part of him that knows that in the last 12 years, a lot has changed. Shawn said he always respected Bret, but he felt Bret never respected him. What is this, Dr. Phil? Michaels said he knows the feeling is more than mutual. But when he thinks of Bret Hart, he doesn’t think of Montreal: He thinks of Anaheim, California, a 60-minute Iron Man match that nobody would want to see. But, he and Hart did it and redefined what the industry stood for. Michaels said Bret isn’t the only one who wants to bury the hatchet and move on. Shawn asked, “are you sure? Are you ready?” Hart said Shawn had issues back then, but their careers shouldn’t be tagged by what happened in Montreal. Hart offered his hand in friendship, calling for a truce. Michaels accepted and they shook hands to a big pop. Michaels began to walk out, but they both stopped as Shawn was line up perfectly for a superkick. He went back over and hugged Bret. I wonder if part of this is really killing Bret inside. As Shawn left, Bret said he had one more piece of business he wanted to take care of, that with Vince McMahon. He demanded Vince come out, but of course, McMahon did not. Crowd didn’t like that. So Bret dropped he mic and began to leave. Surreal segment.

-Still to come, Kofi Kingston vs. Randy Orton to finish that feud live tonight.

-Also, the Unified Tag Championship is on the line against Chris Jericho and Big Show.

[Commercial Break]

-An ad for the Hall-of-Fame aired, as they said it would take place the night before Wrestlemania XXVI. Tickets are on sale January 16th.

-Josh Mathews was backstage waiting for Vince outside his office. Vince walked up and wanted to know what Mathews was doing there. McMahon said he just left a meeting and didn’t hear what Hart said. Mathews said Vince got called out. He said no one calls him out, and if they want to talk, they’ll do it on his terms, later on tonight.

-Lawler and Michael Cole talked on camera and said Melina will be out several months after getting injured at a live event this past week and had to vacate the title. Thus, we’ll have an eight-Diva tournament to crown a new champion.

(1) Maryse vs. Brie Bella– First-Round Divas Title Tournament Match
Maryse tried to showboat, but Brie took advantage. Hair toss took Maryse down, then another. Snap mare, then a nice dropkick. Maryse went to the outside, where Nikki put Maryse’s head into the announce table. I thought they were faces? Back in the ring, Brie rolled Maryse up for two. Not sure what Brie tried to do there, but Maryse plucked her off the ropes. Maryse pounded Brie’s head off the canvas a number of times. The Bellas switched places with the ref’s back turned, but Maryse saw it. She kicked Nikki in the gut and DDT’d her (“The French Kiss”) for the win.

Winner: Maryse, at 2:18. Hard for the Bellas to improve when they hardly ever wrestle.

-The Miz and his new music came out. It IS a big night! Miz said if Maryse wins the tournament, he MIGHT call her back. He spoke some French to her and she laughed. He said he came out to scout an opponent next and reminded her that this next decade will be about him. He’s the Miz, he’s awesome. Jury’s out for me on the theme music. I like switching it because the other one had run its course. He joined the commentary team for the next match.

-A fatal four-way was next to become #1 Contender of the US Title. MVP and Jack Swagger came out before the break.

[Commercial Break]

(2) MVP vs. Jack Swagger vs. Carlito vs. Mark Henry– Fatal Four-Way to Determine #1 Contender to US Title
Match was joined in progress out of break. Henry was out at ringside. Interesting that it’s not Evan Bourne, but Carlito in here. Carlito was getting offense in on MVP and Swagger until Swagger slammed him. Belly-to-belly on MVP for two. Miz talked about him and Spencer Pratt watching Raw on Tivo. Swagger tried a splash on two men in the corner, but MVP moved and he only hit Carlito. Henry was back in the ring for a big pop. He even dumped his partner MVP to ringside. Henry put Carlito in a bearhug. Swagger tried to club Henry with blows, though they looked a bit weak. Henry put Swagger on his shoulders in a bit of a Torture Rack, but with Swagger sitting on his shoulders the other way. It was basically a Samoan Drop without him dropping him. Playmaker hit on Swagger by MVP for the win.

Winner: MVP, at 3:39. Lots of action in a short amount of time.

-Jericho and Big Show were talking backstage and Show reminded him what’s at stake tonight. Jericho said he had a deal for Bret Hart that would be too good to pass up. He started walking as they went to break.

[Commercial Break]

-Lawler thanked Fozzy for “Martyr No More,” one of the theme songs to the Royal Rumble.

-Somebody was praising Bret Hart backstage about the memories he had (probably a stage-hand), when Jericho walked in. They reminisced about the Hart Dungeon, but Jericho didn’t care for the love-fest Bret showed Michaels. He said deep down, Hart despises Michaels. He said he had an idea to help Bret worked through those feelings. He asked Bret to be guest referee. He said when he locks Shawn and Triple H in the Walls of Jericho, just let instincts take over. Bret said he wants to put Montreal to bed. Hart said he meant what he said and told Jericho to win the match himself. Hart said as he remembers the Dungeon, Jericho was the one that screamed loudest in the Dungeon when being stretched. Jericho put on his pouty face and left.

-Hornswoggle was backstage with a ton of Mattel wrestlers, still in their original cases. Triple H walked up and pointed each figure out and said the only way Hornswoggle can play with them is if DX beats Jerishow. He’s not a kid. Michaels walked in and asked why he talks to Horny like he’s a little boy: “He’s got a beard!” Michaels asked what the figures have to do with their tag match. Triple H called in Chris Jericho and it was Santino in a suit and Jericho wig, mis-pronouncing his big words and such. Then Triple H told Hornswoggle to attack, and he jumped on Santino/Jericho. DX talked in the foreground as Hornswoggle continued beating up Jericho. HHH called Horny over like a dog and gave him a cookie. That’s really sad.

-Next, it’s DX vs. Big Show and Jericho. Interesting placement.

[Commercial Break]

(3) Degeneration X vs. Chris Jericho & The Big Show- Unified Tag Team Championship Match

Michaels with chops to the Big Show in the corner. Blind tag to Triple H and the two DX members went for a double suplex, but it went the other way. They went to break about a minute in.

[Commercial Break]

Back live, Jericho was taunting the crowd as they chanted for their fallen hero. Triple H worked over Big Show until the giant slammed him, sidewalk style. Show made sure Trips couldn’t tag Michaels. Jericho did a Hogan-style ear cup to the crowd. He came in and ran into a spinebuster. Show tagged in and made sure Hunter didn’t make the tag. Vader bomb by Show missed the mark. Both men were down but HBK and Show made tags. Michaels went after the knee of Show and took out Jericho. Show was out after a mini-superkick. HBK went to the top, but Jericho crotched him behind the ref’s back. Hornswoggle came in and sat on Show’s chest for good measure, then went back under the ring. Big kick-out of a pin attempt. Michaels began tuning up the band, but Show caught it. Chokeslam, but Show couldn’t capitalize with a pin right away. He ended up kicking out once Show finally made it there. Jericho came in and tried to lock on the Walls, but HBK flipped out and tagged The Game. Pedigree on Jericho but Show broke up the pin. He grabbed Shawn by the throat, but Triple H Pedigreed the big man. He rolled out of the ring, leaving DX alone. Jericho shoved Triple H into HBK and rolled Trips up for two. Codebreaker by Jericho but again, he was too hurt to make the pin. Jericho finally got there, but HBK broke it up. More Hornswoggle, who went to hit Jericho with a suprkick, but got kicked in the head (he was wearing a helmet). He went for the Walls on Hunter, but HBK superkicked him and Triple H made the pin.

Winners: DX, at 11:59. Good match. I mean, it’s DX winning again and more Hornswoggle, but otherwise, a good match.

Hunter got the mic post-match and told Jericho he was finished on Raw. HBK gave Jericho the “we’ve got two words for ya” deal. Big Show stood over Jericho, then just walked out. Yes, the fans peppered Jericho with the “Goodbye” song.

-For what it’s worth, it has been an hour and nine minutes, and no sign of the WWE Champion.

-Vince walked out of his office and told whoever he was talking to that he had a lot of nerve knocking on his door. The camera panned back to show Randy Orton. Orton talked about what Vince should do to Bret. Vince said Bret spitting in his face and walking out on the company is nothing compared to what Orton did to him and his family. Orton told Vince he’s taken out a lot of legends, but Bret is one he hasn’t had the chance to kick in the skull yet. Orton said if he does so, Vince should put him in the Royal Rumble, entrant #30. McMahon said he has his own security, and that Orton should never confront him ever again. Orton walked up to the other members of Legacy. They said he inspired them last week, and they’re going to sit ringside for his match against Kingston. And if Orton doesn’t win? They’ll kick HIM out of Legacy, then beat the hell out of him. Sweet.

[Commercial Break]

-Cole touted “Iron” Mike Tyson’s return to WWE, as guest host, next week. That should be a train-wreck.

-They showed clips of Sheamus vs. Cena from last week.

-Sheamus came out. Sheamus talked about backing up his words last week. He said he wouldn’t be facing John Cena anymore, as he wants a new challenge. Evan Bourne answered. Bourne took the mic and slid out of the ring. Bourne said if he got the same opportunity Sheamus got, he’d take advantage in the same way. And he asked for that opportunity. Sheamus kept calling him “little Evan Bourne” then called for a ref. He said if he wins, he’ll put the title on the line against Bourne at the Rumble.

(4) Sheamus vs. Evan Bourne
Bourne hit the Shooting Star Press on Sheamus within the first minute for a very near-fall. He went to the top again, but Sheamus caught him in mid-air. Fall-away slam followed. Pump-kick connected, but Sheamus wanted to do more damage. Crucifix slam folded Bourne like an accordion. Pin was academic.

Winner: Sheamus, at 1:45. If WWE really wanted to shake things up in response to TNA, they would’ve had Bourne win. A man can dream…

-Still to come, Kingston vs. Orton.

-Also, Mr. McMahon confronts Bret Hart. If they hadn’t plastered the clip of Vince and Bret shaking hands all over WWE.com a few years ago.

-Cole and Lawler talked about Dr. Death Steve Williams, who died last week. They showed an “In Memory of Steve Williams 1960-2009” graphic. I guess when guys die who are (a) older and (b) not related to drugs/alcohol, it’s OK to talk about them.

[Commercial Break]

-Lawler and Cole talked about what happened 12 years ago, and Lawler said he was near Vince when Bret spat on him at ringside. Then we got the Bret Hart video again, with extended Survivor Series 1997 footage.

-Kofi Kingston came out for his match with Orton. It’s next.

[Commercial Break]

(5) Kofi Kingston vs. Randy Orton
Orton started off in his usual methodical pace, but Kingston showed off his leaping ability to land a back-elbow on Orton. Crowd booing Kofi? Kingston took Orton to the outside, but Orton tried to pwn Kingston with a DDT with Kofi’s feet on the ropes. Orton got back-dropped over the top to more boos. Weird. Commercials!

[Commercial Break]

Orton had Kofi in a chinlock in the ring; small dueling “Let’s go Kofi” “Let’s go Randy” chants. Kofi got to his feet but Orton put him down. Cole said Vince would call out Bret next. Orton trash-talked the crowd as he had Kofi down. Kingston fought back, but Orton socked him with rights in the corner. Cross-body by Kofi turned the tide as he got his chops in on Orton. Five punches in the corner, then a European uppercut. Boom drop on Orton as Kofi readied for his finisher. Orton escaped instead, but Kingston jumped on Orton at ringside. With Randy in the ring, Kingston hit a huge cross-body for a two-count. Kofi countered the RKO with the SOS (too many acronyms!) for two. Trouble in Paradise, but Orton blocked it with his forearms and Orton hit the RKO for the pin.

Winner: Orton, at 10:57. I liked this match. Kingston brings so much energy to in-ring action.

The rest of Legacy were nonplussed at ringside over the win.

-Mr. McMahon was walking backstage, headed to the ring for a long-awaited confrontation with Bret Hart.


[Commercial Break]

-Another plug for Mike Tyson as guest host next week. That’s one more than we usually get.

-Mr. McMahon came out. Vince first off wished everyone a Happy New Year. He then said there’s no reason for him to call Bret Hart out, as Shawn and Bret buried the hatchet already. He said they already brought closure to the situation. The crowd started the “what” stuff again. McMahon thanked Bret for being guest host and talked about Mike Tyson being guest host next week. Boos for that. He talked about Tyson as Bret walked out to the top of the ramp, then down to the ring with no music. McMahon did not look happy in the ring. “Bret” chants from the crowd. Hart took his jacket off and threw it aside. Vince said he knows what Bret is thinking and knows what the fans would like to see. He said they want to see him apply the Sharpshooter, but he asked Bret to be the better man. Vince did say he wanted to hear what Hart had to say, and he does not want to provoke him. McMahon said there are things he’d like to get off his chest, namely how Bret screwed himself. He said he’d never forget Bret spitting in his face, then sucker-punching him. Vince said he’d never forget him disrespecting him at the H.O.F and slandering him in every publication for years. He said he was just trying to be honest and wants to hear what Bret has to say. He said he hopes Bret will say “I’m sorry.”

Bret got a mic and said he can think of a lot of words to say to Vince, but the words he’s thinking of are different than the ones McMahon had. Bret said he was halfway to closure, and it’s great to have this weight off his back after 12 years. He said he and Vince both want to get things right and make peace with each other. Bret said Vince wants it as bad as he does. McMahon said what he thought he wanted was to come out and kick Bret in the guts. McMahon said he could remember Bret’s first Wrestlemania, Wrestlemania II, in a Battle Royal with Andre The Giant. McMahon said he knew Andre was the past, and he knew Bret was the future. He said Bret worked for everything he got in WWE. McMahon said the reason it was so personal for Bret is because he saw Vince as a father figure. McMahon said he’s nominating Stu Hart for this year’s WWE Hall-of-Fame. Generous applause from the fans. Bret said he appreciated that and he knew all the Harts across Canada would be proud. McMahon personally thanked Bret for all his contributions to WWE. He then said he thanked Bret for being “the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.” McMahon smiled and put out his hand, and Bret shook it. They stood mid-ring, both men with arms raised. As the men postured for the crowd, Vince kicked Bret in the gut, just like he wanted to. Bret was back to his feet and looked at the ramp in disappointment as the show closed.
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Man I was hoping Bret would call out Triple H tonight. Can you imagine the blast of words if those two did a segment in the ring. I hope Vince is keeping this in the back of his head. Much rather see Bret vs Triple H at WM.

Also credit Vince for putting Stu in the HofF. Much deserved.

It felt like 1997 again tonight!

(edited by CajunMan on 4.1.10 2218)
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This is the most interested I have been in WWE in a very long time. Seriously.
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Wow. I can't believe anybody enjoyed that. I don't know how it's possible to make Bret/HBK/Vince so boring. That was botched worse than the Invasion angle.



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I was on the edge of my seat through every single one of Bret's segments. The opening with Shawn was really tense and I kept thinking Shawn would turn and superkick Bret at the end, but it was merely a tease. Love the way Bret seemed to position himself to take the big kick, too. The ending with Vince kicking Bret in the nuts to close the show out was nothing short of brilliant. Welcome back, indeed.

I have to wonder why they even bothered to give Sheamus the belt. His name wasn't even so much as mentioned until an hour and 20 minutes into the show, he's still fighting jobbers, and he was only featured in one segment and never spoken of again. I haven't seen this kind of lame duck champion since Jericho won the big title back in the early 00's.

So where do they go with Jericho from here? Does he just start picking random partners and challenging DX on SmackDown?

Hurrah for continuity! At least someone remembered Vince's history with Randy Orton.

Speaking of "12 years ago", remember when Mike Tyson showing up on WWF television 12 years ago was a major, major event that helped swing the ratings war? Yeah, somehow I doubt Tyson showing up this time will have that same effect. Who knew?

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Someone please make an animated GIF of Jericho kicking Hornswoggle in the head.

I also think I need a screencap of Santino in his Jericho wig. That was actually the most amusing DX-Hornswoggle backstage wackiness..yet? Because of Shawn pointing out that "He has a beard!" and Hornswoggle's Cena impression.

And I guess indeed Bret will be popping up a few more times... I wish he hadn't dressed as Raven though.

A much-improved RAW from where we were just a few weeks back...



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I guess I'm a sucker for thinking there was actually going to be a happy, touching moment to end the show on a positive note. Congratulations, Vince?

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Wow. I can't believe anybody enjoyed that. I don't know how it's possible to make Bret/HBK/Vince so boring. That was botched worse than the Invasion angle.


If this ends with Bret Hart in the ring, I am not at all interested in this. Bret seemed uncomfortable even with the little physical exertion involved in Vince raising his arms and turning around the ring. If it leads to a match that doesn't involve Bret, though, I think it's fine.

I liked HBK and Bret in the opening segment, I wonder how sincere those sentiments were. I was definitely more interested in that exchange than I was the one with Vince.

Elsewhere, Kofi/Orton was a good match. I liked Debiase and Rhodes confronting Orton before the match. I kind of hoped Orton would lose on purpose to be rid of Legacy, but that wouldn't have been very Orton-like I guess. I didn't like that Kofi seemingly dominated the whole match only to go down to one big move by Orton, but it didn't ruin the match.

The tag title match was good, but I really hoped JeriShow would win. I thought early in the show the announcers and Triple H were planting seeds for Michaels to be "distracted" and I thought maybe he would cost them the match followed by Triple H turning on him. I also thought maybe Jericho would arrange for someone to play Bret Hart's music during the match, causing said distraction.

I also am pretty uncomfortable watching Triple H's treatment of Hornswoggle. It's certainly not "funny," whatever it is.

Vince (not surprisingly) got virtually no reaction from the crowd when he mentioned Mike Tyson's name. Maybe a few boos. Vince really does seem to think it's the late 1990s still.
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Wow. I can't believe anybody enjoyed that. I don't know how it's possible to make Bret/HBK/Vince so boring. That was botched worse than the Invasion angle.

Thats funny because I was thinking this afternoon that they couldn't possibly screw Bret Harts return up... until I remembered the invasion mess. I don't think this was as bad as that, but it was nowhere near as good as it could have been. I feel like Bret came off looking pretty bad in both segments. Bret had no objection to Shawn basically saying Montreal was mostly Bret's fault? I thought Vince made Bret look like a chump as well. Is this really what Bret signed up for? There had better be so
e serious retribution planned to make up for that crap.

For my money, TNA had the better show tonight but not by much. What a historic night, even if it did fall a little below expectations at times.
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I wonder how much of the beginning exchange between Hart and Michaels was scripted.








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    Originally posted by CajunMan
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    It felt like 1997 again tonight!

    (edited by CajunMan on 4.1.10 2218)


Between this, and Monday Nitro, er, excuse me, TNA's monday night special, I felt the same way.
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Wow. I can't believe anybody enjoyed that. I don't know how it's possible to make Bret/HBK/Vince so boring. That was botched worse than the Invasion angle.


I wouldn't go that far, but I felt bad for the crowd in Dayton, because they weren't feeling it and that really hurt things. In retrospect, Canada would've been a better place to have Bret re-intro, except Vince might've gotten legit assaulted after turning on Bret.

(Also, Bret - Sting would like his copy of "Who To Trust in Wrestling for Dummies" back.)

And, can I say I actually was digging Sheamus tonight? Nice little man/big man match. (Though Bourne's Shooting Star Press was friggin' awesome.) And his Irish accent kind of helps out his robotic promos. I DVRed the show so I can break it down to two categories.

STUFF I WATCHED
- Opening Bret/HBK promo.
- The first 1/2 of the four-way, because of the Miz. (And remind me: wasn't Carlito gonna be huge at one point?)
- Everything that involved Jericho and/or DX.
- The part of the Orton promo that involved Rhodes and DiBiase, only to figure out who those guys were. (And who does Rhodes rimind me of? Some C-level actor who I can't name right now...)
- Sheamus/Bourne. The old HHH/TAKA template in 90 second form.
- Randy/Kingston. Hate me, but I dig Randy Orton. And I like what I see from Kingston the last couple weeks.
- And most of Vince/Bret.

STUFF I FFed THROUGH
- Diva match. Unwatchable. Although, the Bella twins are pretty damn hot in all their non-anorexyness.
- The second 1/2 of the four-way, because even the Miz couldn't keep me watching Mark Henry.
- The part of the Orton promo that involved Vince, mostly because of Vince.
- The last third of Vince/Bret, because the crowd killed it and it was dragging on forever. I also thought they might have everyone make nice for a while before Vince got his cheap shot in on Bret, but I guess not.



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I wanted to ask something. While working on the tv ratings today I came across an article which referenced this New York Times article. It says Mattel is about to become the new toy partner of the WWE. That's apparently two years in the making, so I guess that's not a surprise to people. But what TVByTheNumbers found interesting was what Chris McCumber, executive vice president of marketing at USA Network said.

    “It’s about the only 52-week, live, DVR-proof show going,” said McCumber. The “Raw” show is new every week of the year, and because it is live with sports elements, Mr. McCumber suggested, it is less likely to be recorded on a digital video recorder and played back later — with the commercials skipped.

"DVR-proof" is a big catchphrase in the television industry right now. NBC was touting how DVR-proof The Jay Leno Show was going to be. They were right because no one is watching that, DVR users included. But my initial instinct is that he's probably wrong. I don't think people think of Raw the same way they do something like an NFL or NBA game, where delaying it (even as a buffer for commercial) is something many people are not willing to do.
But I could be wrong. If you have a DVR and also watch Raw, do you watch it live or delayed?
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    If you have a DVR and also watch Raw, do you watch it live or delayed?


I have the DVR automatically set to record Raw, regardless of whether I can catch it live. The first instinct is to catch it live, but for the times that I'm not home or for the times that there's a really kick-ass Monday Night Football game, I want to be prepared and have it ready to go.




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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    I wanted to ask something. While working on the tv ratings today I came across an article which referenced this New York Times article. It says Mattel is about to become the new toy partner of the WWE. That's apparently two years in the making, so I guess that's not a surprise to people. But what TVByTheNumbers found interesting was what Chris McCumber, executive vice president of marketing at USA Network said.

      “It’s about the only 52-week, live, DVR-proof show going,” said McCumber. The “Raw” show is new every week of the year, and because it is live with sports elements, Mr. McCumber suggested, it is less likely to be recorded on a digital video recorder and played back later — with the commercials skipped.

    "DVR-proof" is a big catchphrase in the television industry right now. NBC was touting how DVR-proof The Jay Leno Show was going to be. They were right because no one is watching that, DVR users included. But my initial instinct is that he's probably wrong. I don't think people think of Raw the same way they do something like an NFL or NBA game, where delaying it (even as a buffer for commercial) is something many people are not willing to do.
    But I could be wrong. If you have a DVR and also watch Raw, do you watch it live or delayed?


Delayed.. I dont think I could sit through the entire show live.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66

    Winner: Sheamus, at 1:45. If WWE really wanted to shake things up in response to TNA, they would’ve had Bourne win. A man can dream…


This might be reading too much into it, but I saw that match as "Our WWE champion beat a virtual AJ Styles in two minutes."



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
I always DVR Raw, but I almost always watch it live. In fact, it is the ONLY show on my DVR that I watch live. So I would give credence to McCumber's statements. Although, I also DVR ECW and SD, but never watch them live, so it doesn't hold true for all wrestling.

My question for the W's would be...did you watch both shows or just one or what?

As for me, tonight I gave TNA an hour head start, and then watched it while skipping through commercials. After it was done, I watched the DVR'ed Raw. So I did actually "watch" 5 hours of wrestling tonight. And it was great.

As for Raw, I thought the Bret stuff was handled just fine in laying the groundwork for what is to come. I didn't find it boring at all.

The rest of the show was pretty good, with clean or semi-clean finishes in all the matches. When that happens, I can't be too upset over any wrestling show.



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#17 Posted on
I always DVR Raw, but only watch it live when there's a match I just can't wait to see or a guest host I want to see (i.e. Bret, Bob Barker, and that's about the extent of it).

Really enjoyed the Bret/Shawn segment. So surreal and I ate it up. I thought there was a superkick coming too, the hug was really refreshing. I kinda hope the "friend" deal is real life. Bret/Vince was entertaining enough for me, and I know it's not over, so that helps.

I always enjoy the Santino, but I wish he was still in the Honk-A-Meter days when he at least had matches. DX/Swoggle weren't as annoying tonight.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.44
I was kind of uncomfortable watching Bret, because he wasn't really that sharp or able to jump right back into the cadences of pro wrestling TV. Understandably so, though, and Shawn and Vince both did really good jobs carrying the talking.

I don't think the content of what they were talking about was made all that clear or dynamic though, even if it was fascinating for someone like me to watch. I hope the idea is to get it all out of the way now and make the focus on current, new conflicts between them. Although Vince routinely kicking Bret in the pants wasn't really the firecracker kickstart to the Road to Wrestlemania I was expecting after all the buildup.

The tag title match was good but I see to be rather wrong about Jericho and Show getting the belts back in a quick turnaround. I don't get breaking them up right before Edge comes back since the whole point of the Jericho/Edge feud was Chris throwing him under the bus as a partner in their championship tag team and replacing him with the better Big Show.

Is Kofi getting closer to beating Orton or is he just losing clean over and over again?

Maryse really buried the Bellas badly. How embarrassing for them.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.72
WWE.com has video posted of some of the Raw roster coming to the ring after the cameras went off to hug Bret Hart. Kinda touching to watch.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/january1-7/13169622



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.58
I am kinda glad I missed most of Raw. I was into Kurt/AJ, because I wasn't sure of the outcome and it was interesting as opposed of Kofi/Orton. You could actually see people leaving during the Bret/Vince promo. Someone was dead on saying Canada was the place to do this. Yet, Vince hotshots this to counter Hogan and this is what you get, a very dis-interested crowd. I do think Raw will have a better rating, but as far as quality goes TNA kick their ass in the last hour. I have to see video and DNA analysis to believe Bret/Shawn's hug. Also, getting rid of Jericho on Raw, great move there, too.
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Okay, overall the show didn't really do much for me, but there were two moments when I was glad I'd tuned in: Jericho's estimation of Triple H's new name: "Triple H must stand for, ha ha, Hunter, ha ha, Hearst, ha ha ha Hilarious!
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