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TONIGHT: Raw is live from Dallas, where it will be hosted by Maverick(s) own Mark Cuban. Mavs’ players are expected to be in attendance or on the show, as already Shawn Marion has Tweeted that he’ll be there. Cody Rhodes has challenged Cuban in the past week….will he accept? In the main event, Chris Jericho, by virtue of being on the losing end of a match with Triple H last week, will have to face both members of DX in a handicap match. Also, it’s the final Raw before TLC: Tables, Ladders, Chairs, so we’ll get hype for those matches as well- and will Randy Orton vs. Kofi Kingston make it onto the show?


-WWE Open.

-Raw Open.

-Tonight, Miz puts his U.S. Title on the line against Mark Henry. Also, will it be Chris Jericho’s last match on Raw after he faces DX in a two-on-one match?

-Justin Roberts introduced Mark Cuban, who came to the ring out of the crowd, as he is wont to do at NBA games. “I came to party with Cuban” sign in the crowd. He asked if there were any Mavs fans in the crowd. He intimated that he’d be at ringside tonight. Cuban said he’d have a showdown later on between Sheamus and John Cena. Not sure what qualifies as a “showdown,” so we’ll have to wait and see. Oh, I guess it’ll just be dueling interviews. Cuban wanted to get things started, so Cena’s music hit.

(1) John Cena vs. Carlito
This isn’t going to be good for business. For what it’s worth, Carlito was wearing a black arm-band. He looks to be in a little better shape, too. He was on offense for the first minute or so, hitting a knee-lift. But then Cena tried an Attitude Adjustment. Carlito got out and dropkicked Cena for two. Michael Cole said that Maverick players Shawn Marion and Tim Thomas were at ringside with Cuban, along with the Bellas, of course. As Cena was about to land his trademark fist-drop, Sheamus’ music hit and Sheamus came out. Cuban hopped the barricade and walked to the bottom of the ramp, I guess to block Sheamus from coming to the ring. Sheamus slowly approached, but security finally came out and blocked Sheamus’ path. He finally backed away. From behind, Carlito FINALLY got to his feet and attacked Cena. Back-stabber, but instead, Cena put him on his shoulders for an Attitude Adjustment for three.

Winner: Cena, at 2:55. At least Sheamus didn’t back down from Cuban standing there. That’s what I was afraid of. I think they could’ve strung this Carlito-Cena business out a little longer, but whatever.

-Sheamus and Cena will have a showdown later tonight.

[Commercial Break]

-Next Monday, the Slammy Awards return, hosted by comedian Dennis Miller. Special start time of 8pm EST!

-Randy Orton and his Legacy brahs came out. Orton applauded Cuban for displaying some authority vis-à-vis Cena and Sheamus. He also thought that the showdown will end in chaos tonight. But Orton said Cuban can do something for him, that being lifting his ban on not getting a title shot at Cena. He wanted to be the next man in line for the WWE Championship. Cuban already shaking his head “no.” DiBiase told Cuban what happened the last time he and Orton crossed paths, and they showed Orton RKO’ing Cuban from Survivor Series 2003. Cuban said he knows Orton got lucky against Kofi Kingston last week. He said the refs didn’t have the guts to stop the match last week when they should’ve. He said he respects the fact that Orton is a competitor, and Orton will fight Kingston tonight…..but Cuban will be the referee. Cody Rhodes said they’re not Kenyon Martin or his mother, so he can’t talk to them last night. He called Cuban “all talk,” and challenged him to a match. If Rhodes wins, the ban on Orton gets lifted. Cuban suggested they take it up in June, after the Mavericks win the NBA title. But right now, Legacy has a match: and Evan Bourne and Primo are the opponents. And it’s next!

[Commercial Break]

(2) Ted DiBiase & Cody Rhodes vs. Evan Bourne & Primo
Match was oined in progress out of break, with Legacy double-teaming Primo with a pancake. Primo and Bourne also had black arm-bands, but no mention by the announcers of Umaga’s death yet. This match is a re-match from WWE Superstars this past week. Primo came back with a back-drop but as Rhodes tagged in, he took out Bourne to prevent a tag. Things were finally evened up when Bourne and DiBiase made tags. Boy, Bourne and Primo could be a good team generally because they add so much energy to their matches. Air Bourne was cut off by Teddy, who tried a superplex. It was blocked, and Bourne hit the double-knees off the top with a pin broken up by Rhodes. Primo took him out. Bourne missed a flying kick and DiBiase locked in, then landed Dream Street for the win.

Winners: Legacy, at 3:36. Fun while it lasted, as all four guys generally entertain me.

Roberts had a message from Cuban: Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes have now been ejected from the arena.

-Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler talked about Sheamus’ path of destruction. They showed a video package of what he has done on Raw thus far, namely, ending Jamie Noble’s career.

-Sheamus and Cena have a showdown in the ring that is still to come.

[Commercial Break]

-Kelly Kelly was in the ring. She’s guest ring announcer I guess.

(3) Maryse vs. Gail Kim
The ladies started brawling almost immediately, thanks to what could be perceived as a cheap shot by Maryse. Clothesline by Gail, then a running gut shot in the corner. Roll-up by Kim for two. Flying corner clothesline by the Asian Sensation. Maryse caught her coming in with a slap to the face. Maryse tried to run away, but Kim caught her and slammed her face-first into the apron. Then face-first into the turnbuckle back in the ring. Kim went to the second rope, but Maryse kicked her legs out from under her, then rolled her up, using the ropes for leverage, and got the win.

Winner: Maryse, at 1:32. Short, but Gail did what she could with Maryse.

She took the mic from Kelly Kelly and demanded she announcer her as the next Divas champion. Kelly pushed her and the two women started fighting until Melina ran her off. That is how to NOT book an angle organically.

-Mark Cuban is referee tonight in the match between Randy Orton and Kofi Kingston.

[Commercial Break]

-Shawn Michaels and Triple H were backstage, decorating a Christmas tree. There was a DX poster and a Hulk Hogan poster in the background. That’s gotta irk Triple H. HBK and Triple plugged their merchandise. Trips said the season is more about giving than receiving. Michaels gave his gift, the Smackdown vs. Raw 2010 video game, to The Game. I bet Triple H gives Michaels the Hogan DVD. Trips said he already got a free game in the mail. Triple H said he got a gift for Shawn too….it was a huge gift. Hunter said he hoped it’d fit. Shawn took off the top and Hornswoggle popped out. He showed off a t-shirt with him and DX on the front and on the back, it said, “World’s Littlest Member.” Very age appropriate. DX looked dumbfounded, and Michaels translated the grunts from Horny. Michaels made a Star Wars joke and he and Triple H argued for a while. DX took out scripts and said the material was terrible and asked who wrote it. A guy in a headset standing just off-camera ran away. Then when they turned their attention to Hornswoggle, he had disappeared. He was on top of the Christmas tree, going after Shawn’s DX hat. He hopped down onto both of them, knocking them down. Then he got up, crotch-chopped the camera, and ran away. Just awful.

-Cole and Lawler talked about the deal WWE cut with British Sky TV, agreeing to work together for another five years. Lawler read a quote from the press release. Were they short on material this week? Cole said people in England are interested in one of their own countrymen, Sheamus. Huh? Then they showed Sheamus destroying Lawler at MSG.

-Cena and Sheamus have a “showdown” later tonight.

-Kofi Kingston was walking backstage….he faces Orton next.

[Commercial Break]

-Referee Mark Cuban, already in the ring, was introduced.

(4) Randy Orton vs. Kofi Kingston
Anyone know why they keep giving the logo in the corner at the top of the hour, as if they’re starting another show? Doesn’t it have to do with how ratings are tabulated or something? Anyway, Kofi took Randy to the outside immediately, and dove through the middle ropes and onto him. Back in the ring, Kingston missed with a high-risk move and that allowed Orton to slow the pace down after a clothesline. Boot to the face after some choking in the ropes by Orton. Cuban has been more of a bystander thus far. Rear chinlock from the master of the move. Crowd tried to get behind Kofi, but Orton took him down with a hair pull. Then he got in Cuban’s face, but Cuban didn’t back down. And another chinlock. Kofi went after Orton in the corner, but Cuban separated him, allowing Orton some room. Some loud boos to a few fans for Kofi. Russian leg sweep, then Kingston hit the Boom drop. Trouble in Paradise but no, Orton countered with his back-breaker. RKO, reversed into a backslide and the fast counts of all fast counts ended the match.

Winner: Kingston, at 5:17. I actually wouldn’t have been surprised to see Cuban turn heel here. They should’ve had other near falls where Cuban would’ve counted slowly.

Cuban got on the mic and said he waited six years for payback, and he got him. Cuban said it’s time for the rubber match between Orton and Kingston at TLC. Kingston and Cuban celebrated on the ramp.

-Another video of Sheamus, this time, winning the Breakthrough Battle Royal. So weird to hear Vince McMahon calling that one.

-Another plug for the Sheamus vs. Cena showdown.

-Last week, Triple H beat Jericho one-on-one, putting Jericho in a handicap match against DX.

-MVP was walking with Mark Henry, headed to the ring for Henry to face Miz for the U.S. Title, next.

[Commercial Break]

(5) The Miz vs. Mark Henry- United States Championship Match
Henry with a headbutt and Miz foolishly tried a sunset flip. Henry missed the butt splash (does that ever land anymore?) and Miz got a quick two-count. Another headbutt for Henry, then he just plowed into Miz. Press slam, but Miz got down. He dropkicked Henry out of the ring. Miz kicked Henry into the stairs and ringpost. Henry grabbed Miz by the throat and let go. He went back into the ring as Miz recovered on the outside. Miz crept up the steps and tried to splash Henry coming off the top, but Henry caught him. Looked like it was going to be a World’s Strongest Slam, but Miz turned it into a swinging DDT for the pinfall.

Winner: Miz, at 2:40. Decent, which is the best you could hope for here. These guys don’t even get three or four minutes anymore. Gotta get in time for those hilarious DX skits.

-Jericho and Big Show were shown talking backstage, no sound. Cole said they were going over strategy for Jericho’s match tonight.

[Commercial Break]

-Lawler plugged Switchfoot’s CD, as they’re providing the TLC theme, “Bullet Soul.”

-Mark Cuban was talking to Chris Masters at ringside for some reason.

(6) Hornswoggle & Eve Torres vs. Chavo Guerrero & Jillian- Mixed Tag Match
Hornswoggle was clad in his DX gear. He got away from Chavo and tagged Eve. That mean Jillian had to come in. Jillian got a pin attempt right off the bat. She slammed Eve’s head off the mat and threw her into the turnbuckle. Then another whip to the opposite turnbuckle. Hair toss by Jillian. Eve retaliated with a flying clothesline and a dropkick for two. Eve tried a monkey flip, but Jillian shoved her down. Eve got the knees up on a splash attempt and Eve did a somersault onto Jillian for the win.

Winners: Eve and Hornswoggle, at 2:15.

Chavo grabbed Hornswoggle after the match as Eve tried to talk some sense into him. Chavo threw Horny down, and as he went in for more, Eve got between him and Hornswoggle for a big pop. Masters then hit the ring and took off his shirt. He told Chavo not to touch her. Masters told him if he wanted some, to mess with him. Oh my God, it’s a “Masterlock” chant. I….don’t know what to say. Chavo poked Masters in the chest, then backed away. Masters began to flex his pecs, and Chavo seemed mesmerized. Chavo walked back toward him and Masters blocked a punch with the Masterlock, then gave him an Uncle Slam to finish things off. Masters flirted with Eve afterward. I think I’ve seen it all now. Hornswoggle pretended to flex his pecs under his shirt as he celebrated in the ring. NOW I’ve seen it all.

-More Sheamus destruction- this time, it was his interview last week. He and Cena have a showdown tonight.

[Commercial Break]

-Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler were in the ring to plug the TLC card.

-Chris Jericho came out for his handicap match. He said he’d be named Superstar of the Year next week. Then he said he’d win OMG moment of the year, Tag Team of the year, and after his match on Sunday, match of the year. Jericho’s got an arm-band on, for those scoring at home. He said he’d be on Raw for as long as he wants, and told DX they’d be bludgeoned with steel chairs, among other items. Jericho said he has broken teeth and suffered concussions defending titles. He said the TLC match on Sunday will be a requiem for DX. He said after Sunday, there’d be another catch phrase for their fans to latch on to: “Never underestimate Chris Jericho.” I don’t see that catching on. His match with DX is next.

[Commercial Break]


(7) Chris Jericho vs. Triple H & Shawn Michaels- Handicap Match10:49:10
Chop by Michaels put Jericho on his back for the first time in the match. Kick to the head showed a lot of light from Michaels. Right hands from Hunter and he again tagged Shawn. Quick tags by the faces. Jericho grabbed the ropes in desperation and yelled for the ref to get Triple H to break it. Jericho pushed the ref into Hunter and Big Show ran out. He grabbed Michaels and headbutted him down. Show’s wrestling outfit was all black. As Show continued the beat-down, The Game got a chair and hit Show in the back. Show punched the chair into Triple H’s head. But Michaels escaped by taking Show’s legs out from under him. Then Michaels got a ladder from under the ring. Jericho, though, baseball slid it into Michaels. Show swung the ladder and wailed Hunter with it, then he got Michaels. They put Michaels and Triple H in between the sides of the ladder and Jericho hit the chair against the ladder, which was crushing DX. Jericho yelled at them, then grabbed the belts from Mark Yeaton…THEN shoved him. Funny. Jericho taunted DX with the belts in the ring. Jericho sat atop the ladder, with great pride.

Winner: No Contest, at about 5:00 (no bell). The ref bump occurred about 3:00 in. The match was nothing before that, with everybody obviously waiting for the ref bump to come. Where is Mark Cuban to make this right?

-Cena and Sheamus were walking backstage in a split-screen. Their segment is next.

[Commercial Break]

-WWE.com presents the most impactful moments featuring tables, ladders and chairs.

-Michael Irvin, Pro Football Hall-of-Famer was in the crowd.

-Mark Cuban was in the ring with a podium and a mic. He said it’s time for the Showdown and that these two men will face each other for the WWE Title Sunday. He introduced Sheamus first. “Sheamus glows in the dark” sign. There was a table and chair on either side of Cuban in the ring. Cena came out next. Cuban appeared to be reading from a sheet of paper. Cuban said he’d ask them three questions each- no answer is off-limits. First question to Sheamus. He stood up and answered, “why do you think you’ll win the title this Sunday?” He said it took Cena years to win his first title, but that won’t happen to him. He said he wants to hear Cena’s body go through a table again. Cena declined to answer. Next: “Are you concerned about competing in a tables match Sunday.” Sheamus said Cena isn’t concerned enough. He said if Cena thinks he can invoke his rematch clause, then he’s stupider than Sheamus thought, since he won’t be in any condition to do so. Sheamus said Cena would lose everything this Sunday. Cena’s rebuttal: “No Comment.” Cuban asked the final question, if either of them have anything they’d like to say directly to their opponent. Sheamus did, but Cena interrupted and said he had something to say. He said Sheamus may talk a lot, but it means little. Cena reminisced about being in the WWE seven years already. Yeah, seven LONG years. He said he’s faced everyone from Shawn Michaels to Kevin Federline. Cena said he’s always been the man to beat, and people always come to him looking for a fight. He said a lot has happened to him in the last seven years. And then he described some of the stuff. Cena said he has earned the right to say, “the champ is here.” He said one cheap shot and a smash through a table proves nothing except to make him very angry.

Cena said the time for talk is over on Sunday, and he’s the guy to make Sheamus a footnote in WWE history. Cena said Sheamus impresses him, but doesn’t intimidate him. Sheamus got pissed and dumped the table. Cena threw the chair out of the ring, tipped over the table and pushed the podium down. Cuban tried to get in between the men, but Sheamus shoved him down. As Cena looked at Cuban, Cena gave him the Pump kick. Sheamus got a table, set it up in the corner, and then kicked Cena in the head again. Sheamus looked at Cuban, who began to stir. He got to his feet and went face-to-face with Sheamus. He shoved Sheamus on his ass. Sheamus was surprised, to say the least. He got back to a vertical base and knee’d Cuban in the gut. Aw, I was hoping he’d go through a table! He picked Cuban up and drove him through the table in the corner! Mark Cuban is my hero. Cena is still down on the floor for some reason. A couple Dallas Mavericks jumped the rail and stood ringside yelling at Sheamus as he fled the ring. One guy was laughing, which wasn’t helping things. After a replay, Cena stared angrily at Sheamus as medical personnel tended to Cuban.


(edited by geemoney on 7.12.09 2315)
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Umaga who?

Why would Kofi Kingston be satisfied with a victory like that? He didn't beat Orton.

I had no recollection whatsoever of Mark Cuban taking that RKO in 2003. I'm sure in 2015 I'll also not remember Sheamus putting him through a table.

I liked Cena better when he was just saying "No comment."

I still have a lingering headache from that DX skit. That just kept going and going. The headache was compounded by the eleventy seven million Sheamus promos. WHO CAN STOP THE PATH OF PALE?!

Kelly Kelly's ring announcing made Lauren Mayhew look like Howard Finkel.

So now Maryse is crazy. The only thing crazy is how crazy hot she is.

I never thought I'd ever hear a "Masterlock!" chant.

December 7th, 2009 is a date that will live in infamy because of that RAW. On the plus side, I liked DX sandwiched in the ladder and Jericho beating on them with a chair. I could have watched that all night.

Where the hell is Jack Swagger? Did he fail a wellness exam?

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Call me crazy, but watching Sheamus put Mark Cuban through a table doesn't exactly make me want to take him seriously as a title contender. This hasn't been much of a buildup. All it's been is Sheamus plowing through jobbers and non-wrestlers while Cena makes angry faces.

So Chris Masters goes from a boring, generic heel to a boring, even-more-generic babyface.

To sum up, Sheamus gets a main event rocket strapped to his ass, Chris Masters is about to get more TV time, and Chavo/Hornswaggle get to waste more TV time. Meanwhile, Jack Swagger's in the doghouse. Life is unfair.




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Cuban's bump made Sportscenter, so mission accomplished, I suppose.



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    Originally posted by John Orquiola


    So now Maryse is crazy. The only thing crazy is how crazy hot she is.




She may be the craziest Diva ever.

Ugh ... *buzzkill*. Sheamus has been growing on me since the battle royal and I dug the Cena/Cuban beatdown. But then he's run off by the Dallas Mavericks?! What an awful way to end the show. AND they were smiling. Gawd.

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    Originally posted by geemoney
    (7) Chris Jericho vs. Triple H & Shawn Michaels- Handicap Match10:49:10
    ...

    Winner: No Contest, at about 5:00 (no bell). The ref bump occurred about 3:00 in. The match was nothing before that, with everybody obviously waiting for the ref bump to come. Where is Mark Cuban to make this right?



They advertised for a week, including a promo on SmackDown, for THIS?



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Pretty crappy show. I'm of the opinion that Cuban did a pretty decent job though. I wouldn't put him in the category of best guest host. However a category that I would put him in is, Best Guest Host to Host an Otherwise Crappy Raw.

Not really trying to create a debate about the made-up category, I just really appreciated his effort in making the most of the appearance. I can't fault him for the writers mistakes in building on storyline.

Mini Me should have been the one going through a table.

Good work on on The Miz'z character development though. Henry was a perfect guy to use to build Miz'z character in that way.

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    Originally posted by djp
      Originally posted by John Orquiola


      So now Maryse is crazy. The only thing crazy is how crazy hot she is.




    She may be the craziest Diva ever.





I liked when Mickie James was crazy(The whole Trish Stratus thing).
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    Originally posted by The Guinness.
    Pretty crappy show. I'm of the opinion that Cuban did a pretty decent job though. I wouldn't put him in the category of best guest host. However a category that I would put him in is, Best Guest Host to Host an Otherwise Crappy Raw.


Cuban would be on my short shortlist of best non-wrestler guest hosts. DiBiase, Dusty, and Ventura were a big cut above since they are pro wrestling performers. But the best actual celebs would have to go something like 1) Shaq, 2) Cuban, 3) Bob Barker, 4) Seth Green, 5) Roethlisberger.
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The most WTF guest hosts still remain Nancy O'Dell and the other woman whose name escapes me.
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    Originally posted by Broncolanche
    the other woman whose name escapes me.
Maria Something. She was really good!



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Someone over at DVDVR brought up a good point:

"What happens if, for example, HHH gets two belts and Jericho gets two belts?"


My answer:
"actually, a better question would be what if Michaels and Jericho each get two belts, would Whysper be their manager?"

Then someone had to go and crush my dream by saying that Cole mentioned that only two belts would be hanging up, meaning that it'll probably be that both teams walk out with a belt. Boo.
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Sheamus still doesn't do anything for me although I do think he is a great talent in the ring. I rather would have seen Swagger put in his position as #1 heel.

Speaking of Swagger, I read he was on the dark match against MVP, then spoke with a "lisp". I hope they don't go down the road with that angle.

Masters possibly getting over for a change?

Cuban was a great host and I bet he was the one host they had to pay money to get to do the host thing. I'm a Dallas Maverick fan for the rest of this season.

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    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by Broncolanche
      the other woman whose name escapes me.
    Maria Something. She was really good!
I just remembered it: Maria Menounos(sp)
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    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    Speaking of Swagger, I read he was on the dark match against MVP, then spoke with a "lisp". I hope they don't go down the road with that angle.


I'm pretty sure Swagger's lisp is a legit speech impediment. It seems like he's been working very hard since they brought him into ECW to get rid of it.
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by shawnpatrick
      Speaking of Swagger, I read he was on the dark match against MVP, then spoke with a "lisp". I hope they don't go down the road with that angle.


    I'm pretty sure Swagger's lisp is a legit speech impediment. It seems like he's been working very hard since they brought him into ECW to get rid of it.

The solution to that Swagger speech problem is to limit his dialogue and give him a manager. He's impossible to take seriously with that lisp.





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    Originally posted by It's False
    Call me crazy, but watching Sheamus put Mark Cuban through a table doesn't exactly make me want to take him seriously as a title contender. This hasn't been much of a buildup. All it's been is Sheamus plowing through jobbers and non-wrestlers while Cena makes angry faces.


I'm surprised they didn't find a way to have Sheamus beat up John Cena Sr. before the PPV, honestly.






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    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by shawnpatrick
      Speaking of Swagger, I read he was on the dark match against MVP, then spoke with a "lisp". I hope they don't go down the road with that angle.


    I'm pretty sure Swagger's lisp is a legit speech impediment. It seems like he's been working very hard since they brought him into ECW to get rid of it.


I'm sure it is too. It sounds like shawnpatrick is stating that they're using it as part of his character/part of an angle and emphasizing it. Did I read that correctly? Did the site you read, shawnpatrick, point it out as if it were something new and different?
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A lot of websites are reporting that Swagger's lisp has been much emphasized lately in the dark matches.

Folks, there is a reason why Swagger is not on television now, the higher ups have to believe that his character is stale and they have nothing for him on TV now. Has nothing to do with work ethic or working hard in the ring. It all boils down to tv ratings and PPV buys.

The lisp angle could possibly be an angle although I really hope they don't go down that angle. Remember, always assume it's an angle unless it's proven without a shadow of doubt that it's a work.
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    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    A lot of websites are reporting that Swagger's lisp has been much emphasized lately in the dark matches.
OR people who watched "Superstars" on Thursday! (...which, I admit, is probably nobody.)



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Has anybody heard anything about the location of next year's WrestleMania? Given the WWF's current lack of buzz, I doubt they'd try a dome again.
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