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TONIGHT: It’s the Bragging Rights go-home show featuring the biggest Raw main event in history (or so WWE would lead you to believe): John Cena vs. Triple H. Will this be Cena’s final match on the Raw brand? Also, Snoop Dogg is hosting this week. Next week, I’ll be live at Raw in Buffalo and thus won’t be providing my usual recap. Batista’s DVD and the Smackdown vs. Raw video game both go on sale tomorrow, so we may get some extensive hype for those.

-WWE Open.

-Cold open to the arena where ring announcer Justin Roberts ran down the accomplishments, then introduced, tonight’s guest host, Snoop Dogg. He drove out in a fancy pink car, which held some of the WWE Divas. He was dressed quite nicely and walked to the ring arm-in-arm with Eve Torres and The Bella Twins, Raw’s newest Divas. Dogg first asked the crowd to “make some noise.” He of course said what a huge fan of Raw he was and said Raw would “embarrass the hell out of Smackdown” on Sunday. Snoop said he heard it might be Cena’s last night on Raw. Well, didn’t he make the match? And Randy Orton will be in action tonight, as he’ll face Ted DiBiase. Smackdown captain Chris Jericho will be in action as well, against Shawn Michaels. Snoop then introduced D-Generation X. Triple H got the mic and talked about people trying and failing to talk in the “Snoop Dogg language,” so Michaels tried to do it himself. Dogg and the Divas had left the ring at this point. They did some more “izzl-ing” and then finally turned their attention to their Raw team for the PPV. Hunter put the Smackdown team on the Titan-Tron and put them down individually. Hunter talked about how both he and Shawn have beaten Jericho at different Wrestlemanias. Shawn asked about Hunter having a fling with Kane’s ex-girlfriend, “a real stiff” said Hunter. Ah, Katie Vick jokes. Interesting they’d go there, considering Linda McMahon’s opponents are already using that against her. They made fun of Cryme Tyme, saying they collect the un-used tickets at the arena, then said they can never remember Dolph Ziggler’s names. Hunter said he had no idea who the other two guys are (Drew McIntyre and Eric Escobar). Triple H asked if Teddy Long just sold the last two spots on Ebay. Shawn interrupted and clued Hunter in on the last two. “From what I hear, he’s a future champion someday,” Shawn said about McIntyre. Well, Shawn probably heard it from Hunter. Shawn admitted he had no idea who Escobar was and Triple H said he parked his car last week. HBK then realized who he was and said he’s probably the toughest guy around, then whispered something in Triple H’s ear. Trips did a spit-take as he said to Shawn, “he’s boffing Vickie Guerrero?” Another inside joke about sleeping to get ahead made here. Triple H introduced Team Raw, and the other five men came out.

Michaels went down the line and complimented each man. Except for Cody Rhodes, who they ignored. Rhodes took offense, and took HBK’s mic to introduce himself. He said he wasn’t going to listen to a word they were going to say this week. If captain-ship was based on talent, he’d be leading the team and everyone in the arena knows it. Rhodes said he might not tag anyone in the match and just beat Smackdown by himself. Big Show walked up to Cody and said he doesn’t care if he insults DX, but Rhodes will respect him. He said he’d take Rhodes out himself if he thought he was going to sand-bag the team. Show said that goes for everyone else too. That led to Mark Henry standing up to Show. He asked if that was a threat. Henry said if it was, they will definitely have a problem. Jack Swagger interrupted their jaw session and said he’s more athletically gifted than all of them. Swagger told them to let him do the work on Sunday. Kofi took the mic and said this is exactly what Smackdown wants- the only way they can lose is if they can’t get along. No accent by the way. Triple H took the mic and said he has a question: He thought Kofi was supposed to be Jamaican. Yeah, me too. Well, at least, Ghanan. Ghanan? Is that how you say it? Shawn said they need to get their shit together (my words), as they have a five-on-five test coming up and that if one of them gets pinned in the match, whoever pins them will get their place in the match. And that goes for everybody. Triple H said they’d do it now. The opponents all came out together, all ones who lost the qualifying matches. Match will take place after break.

[Commercial Break]

(1) Jack Swagger & Mark Henry & The Big Show & Cody Rhodes & Kofi Kingston vs. Primo & Chavo Guerrero & Evan Bourne & Chris Masters & MVP
Match was joined-in-progress out of break. Kofi battered Chavo in the corner as DX looked on from backstage. There was some arguing between Show and Henry after Rhodes tagged in. Overhead throw by MVP. Bourne, who, like his partners, had a Bragging Rights t-shirt on, tagged in and worked over Rhodes with some kicks. Primo showed a lot of life in there when he tagged in- Side Russian leg sweep included, but he missed a dropkick. Jerry Lawler mentioned he’d be filling in announcing on Smackdown this week. Cross Rhodes on Primo connected by Cody, but Swagger tagged himself in and got the pin.

Winners: Swagger, Henry, Show, Rhodes, and Kingston, 3:05 shown. Too short to be believable, really.

The Raw team started brawling after the match as Rhodes took exception to Swagger tagging himself in. Show stood tall after spearing Henry.

-They showed clips of the main event from last week of Cena & Orton against the other two members of Legacy.

-Josh Mathews was backstage with Ted DiBiase. Mathews asked if his pin on Orton last week has strained his relationship with his mentor. Ted said he didn’t do anything Orton wouldn’t do. Apparently, Randy hasn’t returned any of his calls....then Orton walked into the picture. He said DiBiase betrayed him last week. DiBiase said he’d have done the exact same thing. “If I were you....” Orton pondered. He said they are not going to have a match coming up because DiBiase will not fight back. Orton ordered him to show him the respect he deserves and if he does, he may not throw him out of Legacy. But if DiBiase tries to take advantage of another opportunity, DiBiase will regret it for the rest of his life. Good hook for the match coming up. Oh, next!

[Commercial Break]

(2) Ted DiBiase vs. Randy Orton
After a stand-off, Orton booted DiBiase in the gut. No retaliation from Ted. Hard European uppercut by Orton. Orton kicked him and DiBiase was shaking with anger. Orton tried to talk him into staying down as he kicked him again. Orton got in DiBiase’s face and screamed, “do you want to hit me?!” He ordered DiBiase to get up. DiBiase got right in Randy’s face as the crowd was going nuts for this. Orton pie-faced DiBiase, then dared Ted to punch him. Another pie-face. And a third. He shoved Ted into the ropes and Ted came off to push Orton back down. Huge pop for that. “Teddy, Teddy” chants? DiBiase looked down as Orton got back up and seemed to know he’d stepped over the line. Orton brought Ted’s chin up, quite homo-erotically, then RKO’d him for the win.

Winner: Orton, at 4:22. More of an angle than a match, but the crowd was ready to buy into DiBiase as a face.

-Michael Cole and Lawler talked on camera about the loss of “Captain” Lou Albano this past week, then we got a video package on him. Very well done. Crowd with some polite cheers afterward, and an attempt for a “Captain Lou” chant before they went to break.

[Commercial Break]

-The camera showed members of the Jacksonville Jaguars sitting at ringside.

-We got a World Premiere sneak peek at Snoop Dogg’s “Gangsta Luv” video.

-Dogg was backstage with the three Divas he came to the ring with. The Bellas and Snoop plugged Dogg’s CD. Hornswoggle came in with a DX shirt and hat. Chavo then came in and said DX would never take Hornswoggle seriously. Horny crotch-chopped him and walked away. Chavo begged Snoop to be on team Raw. Before he could do anything, Jillian Hall walked in and demanded a title re-match. She tried singing...and you know how that went. Santino walked in with a Charlie Brown shirt, bald cap and a fake piece of hair. He said he and Snoop got off on the wrong foot a few years ago, so he dressed up like his best friend Charlie Brown. Snoop told them to get their asses out of his office. HE asked for his bag from Eve and started insinuating he was going to be smoking pot so a “Technical Difficulties, please stand by” sign went up (with a picture of Michael Cole with his arm around Hornswoggle) and some elevator music. They came back with smoke in front of Dogg and he revealed they were just scented candles.

-Lawler and Cole hyped Jericho and Michaels, still to come.

-John Cena was shown backstage, contemplating his future and looking generally deep in thought. His match against The Game is next.

[Commercial Break]

(3) John Cena vs. Triple H
Some back-and-forth to start. Lawler tried to make the match feel fresh by saying it was only the fourth one-on-one match-up ever between these two. Hip-toss got a one-count. Overhead wrist-lock by Cena as the crowd chanted his name. Cena punched at him in the corner, but Triple H exploded out with a clothesline on him. Hard whip into the turnbuckle by The Game. Another whip and Cena was favoring his back. Hunter set up for the Pedigree, but Cena threw him into the buckle and Triple H did the oversell that sent him out of the ring. Break time!

[Commercial Break]

Back live with Triple H on top of Cena (not literally). Cena began his comeback, but missed a cross-body, as Hunter ducked. Cena, out of nowhere, got Hunter up for the Attitude Adjustment, but Hunter chop-blocked him down. STF was next, but Triple H made the ropes. Cena ran into a boot from Hunter, who was in the ropes. Cena suplex, then a right hand. Hunter shrugged off Cena’s version of a bulldog. Pedigree reversed into an STF. He got to the ropes and kicked Cena off of him. Pedigree coming up, and it landed. But Cena was near the ropes and got his foot up on the bottom one. Another break.

[Commercial Break]

Cena tried to go for another Attitude Adjustment, but Triple H got down and put on the Sharpshooter. Orton was watching backstage. Cena got to the ropes. Running shoulderblocks by Cena, then a fist-drop. Then a jumping knee by Triple H. I think they’ve hit just about all their signature moves now. Well, there’s the spinebuster, so I can cross that off the list. Another Pedigree try and he got it. But Cena kicked out. And Triple H didn’t even hesitate on the cover either. Cena picked Hunter up and landed the Attitude Adjustment, but Hunter kicked out of that. Cena tried his top-rope leg-drop (or, Sicilian Slice), but Triple H moved. He countered the Attitude Adjustment with another Pedigree and this time, the win.

Winner: Triple H, at 20:19. About what you’d expect from these two (AKA the usual moves and nothing new at all), but sometimes that’s OK.

Cena stood in the ring after the match, not selling the Pedigree for very long. Then again, Cena doesn’t sell much for long. Orton stared at Cena on the TV backstage. The fans cheered for Cena as he exited the ring. They should’ve went back and shown Randy looking at the TV, only MNF was playing. Maybe he’d be watching his relative Kyle playing for the Broncos?

-It’s a battle of co-captains, Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho, still to come.

[Commercial Break]

-The Miz came out for a match against a jobber. Didn’t even get his name out before Snoop Dogg interrupted. He started saying Miz shouldn’t talk trash about Marty Jannetty, like he did on Smackdwon....after all, he’s Miz’s opponent tonight.

(4) The Miz vs. Marty Jannetty
Son of a bitch. I love this. Jannetty looks to have aged in the face a bit since the last time we saw him. Slap to the face of Miz. Quick roll-up for two. Why couldn’t this have been next week when I’d be there live? “Marty, Marty” chants. Marty ducked under Miz’s offense, then Marty did a 360 sell of Miz’s clothesline. I chanted “you still got it!” Rear chinlock by Miz. Jannetty fought out, then hit a back suplex. Jumping back elbow by Mart. Back-body drop followed it up. Fist-drop off the second rope for two. Marty tried a Rocker Dropper, but Miz snuck out. Miz dropped him gut-first (supposed to be throat-first) over the top rope, then hit the Skull-Crushing Finale for the win.

Winner: Miz, at 2:39. Marty looked a bit rusty, but always good to see him out there doing his thing.

-Cole and Lawler talked about Smackdown vs. Raw 2010, coming out tomorrow. They even created Snoop Dogg for the preview.

-Chavo was talking to Jillian backstage. Hall has a Divas Championship match next.

[Commercial Break]

(5) Jillian Hall vs. Melina- Divas Championship Match
Chavo was at ringside for Jillian and he immediately distracted the ref. Samoan drop by Jillian for two. Knees to the face by Hall. Melina caught her on a hand-spring attempt in the corner. Chavo got on the apron again, ad Hornswoggle pulled him down (looks like he’s dressed as Paul E!). Melina then hit her finisher for the win.

Winner: Melina, at 1:02. Better than last week- at least Melina hit her finisher properly.

I guess Horny is dressed as Snoop Dogg. Chavo started taking off Horny’s costume, quite violently, until Snoop Dogg ran out. Chavo pie-faced Dogg a couple times as Hornswoggle snuck behind Chavo. Dogg clothesline him over the knelt-down Hornswoggle. Chavo took off his shirt and both men circled the ring. Chavo missed a punch and Dogg speared him to take him down. Well, he did a clothesline at Wrestlemania when he appeared, so he’s added another move to his arsenal. The Divas (Kelly Kelly, the Bellas, Eve and Gail) came out to the ring as Dogg’s music played and they all danced, Hornswoggle included. This happens to me ALL the time.

-Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels, still to come tonight. Cole was doing a shimmy to the song at ringside. King and Cole plugged the USA Network’s new show, “White Collar,” on Friday night.

[Commercial Break]

-Lawler thanked Maylene & The Sons of Disaster for “Step Up (I’m on It),” the official Bragging Rights theme song.

-We got a video package on the Orton vs. Cena feud.

-Cole and Lawler were in the ring to plug the Bragging Rights card.

-Jericho was walking backstage....he faces Shawn Michaels next.

[Commercial Break]

-NASCAR’s Kyle Busch and Joey Logano will be hosting Raw in Buffalo next week. Well Logano doesn’t strike me as having a ton of charisma, but Busch could be good if he plays a heel and Joey plays the face. It’s better than the rumored David Arquette.

-Michaels and Jericho came out for their match. Jericho got on the mic before the match started and said he could knock Michaels out right now. He could do it to send Team Raw a message, but everyone knows Smackdown has an insurmountable advantage. He said he’s the best at what he does and that automatically gives Smackdown the dupe. He said he’d defeat team Raw, and he’d start right now with Michaels. Then Cryme Tyme’s music hit and they came out of the crowd. Michaels fled the ring, but Kane’s music hit and he too came through the crowd, with Dolph Ziggler, Eric Escobar and Drew McIntyre in tow. They all got in the ring as Michaels was on the ramp. Why didn’t they try to cut him off? Jericho said that while Michaels’ team argues, his team...then DX’s music hit. Triple H came out, with the rest of the Raw squad following. All 14 men were in the ring at a stand-off. Triple H got the mic and congratulated Jericho on doing the impossible: uniting the Raw team. Hunter said he didn’t like Jericho, his team, or his show. He said they all walked onto the show, but they’ll all be thrown off it. Vickie Guerrero came out, doing her “excuse me!” bit. Vickie said as an official consultant for team Smackdown, she will not allow this. She said Team Raw would have to wait for their fight to happen on Sunday, as she ordered team Smackdown to leave the arena. Hunter told Jericho to leave. He told Jericho he wouldn’t want to get into any trouble. Oh wait, they already did, because they don’t work for Vickie Guerrero. Hunter laid in the first blow as all 14 men started going at it. I think Jericho was thrown into the announcers as only a few seconds of the brawl was shown before the cut out.

(edited by geemoney on 19.10.09 2309)
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That had to be Randy Orton's greatest match ever! I'm sure the WWE Creative staff if looking at each other right now and saying, "What an awesome match".


Nice tribute to Captain Lou.


Okay show.
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That ending sucked. Just fucking sucked. They teased us with Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels for the first time in over a year and delivered a shitty face to face confrontation between the Bragging Rightz Teamz with special guest cameo by Vickie Guerrero. That sucks!

And it's shame because I was enjoying the show up until then. I've always liked Snoop. He's such a huge fan. You can always tell how happy he is to be a part of WWE. Snoop is even the first black guest host that didn't end up sending a team of black WWE guys to go after Jericho and Show.

Aw! I thought Snoop asked for a bag of weed. I mean, what else could have been in that bag? Scented candles? Stupid PG. (Note the complete lack of any laughs for Santino Brown saying "Good grief.")

The opening DX skit was actually funny. They told all the right jokes about the shitty Smackdown team. Bringing out the RAW team was also well done because every member was able to show his personality and added to the segment. Kofi's face when Triple H called him on not speaking Jamaican was great. But the 5 vs. 5 match itself was a letdown since I think only half of the guys even got in the ring.

Knee jerk bitching about Cena belies the fact that Cena really does do an awful lot of jobs. I *almost* believed there was a chance he could lose on Sunday and be banished from RAW. I'm more likely to believe Triple H will get a run at Cena for the WWE Title after Bragging Rights.

Michael Cole: "What's new about Smackdown vs. RAW 2010 is that this time... you can create your own Superstars! That's really unique!" What an idiot. Lawler too.

I just can't get over how shitty that last segment was. I couldn't want to buy Bragging Rights less after that.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by CajunMan
    That had to be Randy Orton's greatest match ever! I'm sure the WWE Creative staff if looking at each other right now and saying, "What an awesome match".


And congrats to them for it! Always good to see the crowd very into a match.

No one in the crowd remembered the Katie Vick. Heck, I was trying to remember when Triple H was with Tori. I think this is a good thing.

They really should've had the SD! team attack HBK and the RAW team come together making the save.



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I think the justification for the non-match at the end of the show was because they did a PPV quality main event in the middle of the show. I thought that match was excellent.

    Originally posted by John
    Snoop is even the first black guest host that didn't end up sending a team of black WWE guys to go after Jericho and Show.


Ohhhhhh shit, you're right. Shelton and Big Zeke must've thought this was their chance.

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    No one in the crowd remembered the Katie Vick. Heck, I was trying to remember when Triple H was with Tori.


Maybe he was talking about X-Pac. Haha because of gay.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.64
We must now start calling DiBiase Hulk after Cole said: "He's getting angry!"

It took Captain Lou passing away to get Ken Reznick on Raw. Very nice tribute, btw!

I shit my pants when Snoop interrupted Miz after all the talk of Janetty. Sho' nuff! There he be! YEAH!!!!!

When Jericho and HBK came out at 9:58, it had schmozz written all over it. I think it was Jericho that went into the announce table.
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This RAW was on par with almost all the RAWs of the guest host era, mediocre. I watched the show on and off all night and absolutely nothing stood out and kept me interested.

The opening segment was probably the best, but only because it set the table for the rest of the night, and was at least mildly entertaining.

I actually liked the Orton Dibiase match. It told a story, had the crowd into it and was quite dramatic. It also set up future storylines/matches between the two. Of course, there was very little in ring action between the two, but I always felt that the goal of a match was to entertain and tell a story, and this match accomplished that.

That being said, is there a less desirable position in the WWE than being a member of Legacy? Honestly, from a storyline standpoint, since joining Legacy, they have actually been less successful than they were when they had Manu on their side, grunting and snorting at Orton in the locker room. They havent won a single title in the almost full year since they formed the group. They have been thrashed regularly by HHH, Batista, and even Shane McMahon. They have or their leader has attacked each of their fathers. To top it off, they occasionally get their asses kicked by their leader.

OK RAW by today's standards, but not a great show by any stretch.
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    a “Technical Difficulties, please stand by” sign went up (with a picture of Michael Cole with his arm around Hornswoggle) and some elevator music.
This was great. Especially because Cole in the picture had a goatee, but when they cut back to the desk (where Cole had his arm around Lawler), he did not. This means that they've had a picture of Michael Cole with his arm around Hornswaggle for what, months? And they've just been waiting to find a use for it? Awesome.



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Read it and weep, fella


Snoop did an excellent job guest hosting. They gave him a lot of lines in the opening segment and he didnt seem to flub any either. Like others have mentioned, guest hosts who actually know and like the product always come off better than the ones who dont.

DiBiase BROUGHT. IT. with the Internal Monologue of Anguish during the Orton "match". I'm kinda disappointed he didnt turn there. I know it's coming, but I think they missed their big chance last night.

The Bella twins have fantastic rear-ends.

When HHH and HBK were going over the Smackdown team and forgetting who Vickie's BF was, I kept expecting one of them to call him "Razor". BTW, why are Drew McIntyre & Vickie's BF on team SD again?

I watched the Captain Lou tribute twice. Good stuff.





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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by i before e

    That being said, is there a less desirable position in the WWE than being a member of Legacy? Honestly, from a storyline standpoint, since joining Legacy, they have actually been less successful than they were when they had Manu on their side, grunting and snorting at Orton in the locker room. They havent won a single title in the almost full year since they formed the group. They have been thrashed regularly by HHH, Batista, and even Shane McMahon. They have or their leader has attacked each of their fathers. To top it off, they occasionally get their asses kicked by their leader.


This isn't true. They are both way more successful than last year when they were working angles with Hardcore Holly. Frankly, they are probably further ahead at this point their careers than most. It's easy to forget that Cena was just a vanilla white guy for over a year. Batista was a deacon, and HHH was rolling around in mud with Henry Godwinn at similar points in their career. There are far more people to worry about than Ted and Cody.

(edited by Super Shane Spear on 20.10.09 0917)


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FROSTY: DiBiase BROUGHT. IT. with the Internal Monologue of Anguish during the Orton "match". I'm kinda disappointed he didnt turn there. I know it's coming, but I think they missed their big chance last night.

I loved this. I agree with not going through with the full turn last night - it would only get lost in the shuffle of the whole Cena / Orton deal. The fans were into it and I think it has legs, if they don't rush. Lawler was creaming in his pants - old school heat. Coward of the County style

One point - Dibiase needs a nickname, or something more condusive to chanting for him. Once he gets cranking, "DEE-BEE-AWS-EE" works, but for the time being, "Let's go Ted" is weak and "TED-E!" sucks. The crowd was trying, but nothing seemed to catch on. Maybe re-brand "PRICE-LESS"

FLEA

(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 20.10.09 1325)

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As far as card placement is concerned, sure Rhodes and Dibiase are better than they were last year. But I agree with i before e in that in kayfabe/storyline terms, they are worse off and that's where the distinction lies.

As tag champs independent of Orton, there are all sorts of things they could have done.

They could have been in the Unified Tag Title Hunt and be featured on both shows.

Their characters could have been more than "guys that run out and help Orton retain title or take an ass whooping in his place."

Fight DX with Titles on the line to add that little more "oomph" to both the feud and the belts.

As it stands, I can't think of one thing Legacy has done that a)couldn't have been done without being under Orton or b)have done (as far as titles, prestige of victory) since joining Orton.



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    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
      Originally posted by i before e

      That being said, is there a less desirable position in the WWE than being a member of Legacy? Honestly, from a storyline standpoint, since joining Legacy, they have actually been less successful than they were when they had Manu on their side, grunting and snorting at Orton in the locker room. They havent won a single title in the almost full year since they formed the group. They have been thrashed regularly by HHH, Batista, and even Shane McMahon. They have or their leader has attacked each of their fathers. To top it off, they occasionally get their asses kicked by their leader.


    This isn't true. They are both way more successful than last year when they were working angles with Hardcore Holly. Frankly, they are probably further ahead at this point their careers than most. It's easy to forget that Cena was just a vanilla white guy for over a year. Batista was a deacon, and HHH was rolling around in mud with Henry Godwinn at similar points in their career. There are far more people to worry about than Ted and Cody.

    (edited by Super Shane Spear on 20.10.09 0917)


Agreed from a "real life" standpoint. I was referring to the kayfabe (I hate using smarky terms) sense, within the story lines. They are way more over now then when they joined Legacy, but in the story line sense they havent accomplished anything except taking horrific beatings week after week.

EDIT: Basically, the writers caould do a better job of explaining why the characters want to be a part of Legacy anymore anyway, since nothing good seems to come of it for them.


(edited by i before e on 20.10.09 1025)
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I came away with three semi-rhetorical questions from this episode of RAW:

1) Why would John Cena (or Triple H for that matter) care about the result of their match? Cena gains nothing by winning. He still has the same title shot at Bragging Rights regardless. I mean, Cena is impervious to pain, so it doesn't really matter, but a mortal man would be an idiot to go eat three pedigrees for nothing days before what WWE would like us to believe is the biggest match of his career. why would *anyone* care about winning or losing any match in which a title or No. 1 contendership is not on the line, as the results of all other matches seems totally inconsequential?

2) What on Earth does Randy Orton have to offer Ted Dibiase Jr. that makes being treated like that worthwhile? Yeah I see the face turn coming, but why (in kayfabe terms) didn't it happen last night? Why would Dibiase willingly be made to look like such a bitch?

3) Does Randy Orton really spend his nights while he's not in the ring standing in an apparently empty room watching a huge HD television he apparently hauls with him from city to city? Or does he only turn on that huge HD television when his opponent at the next pay-per-view is on it?
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.62
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan


    1) Why would John Cena (or Triple H for that matter) care about the result of their match? Cena gains nothing by winning. He still has the same title shot at Bragging Rights regardless. I mean, Cena is impervious to pain, so it doesn't really matter, but a mortal man would be an idiot to go eat three pedigrees for nothing days before what WWE would like us to believe is the biggest match of his career. why would *anyone* care about winning or losing any match in which a title or No. 1 contendership is not on the line, as the results of all other matches seems totally inconsequential?

    2) What on Earth does Randy Orton have to offer Ted Dibiase Jr. that makes being treated like that worthwhile? Yeah I see the face turn coming, but why (in kayfabe terms) didn't it happen last night? Why would Dibiase willingly be made to look like such a bitch?

    3) Does Randy Orton really spend his nights while he's not in the ring standing in an apparently empty room watching a huge HD television he apparently hauls with him from city to city? Or does he only turn on that huge HD television when his opponent at the next pay-per-view is on it?


1) It could be his last match on Raw, and everyone knows Cena wants to give the fans their money's worth. Plus, I'm sure he'd want to go out on top.

2) He thinks being with Orton will help his career? Orton could give him the ol', "where would you be without ME?" speech.

3) I'd guess only watching his opponent. It wouldn't make sense for him to watch people he doesn't care about. And I'm sure WWE (or the arena) provides the TVs (even in storyline terms).
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.62
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I came away with three semi-rhetorical questions from this episode of RAW:

    1) Why would John Cena (or Triple H for that matter) care about the result of their match? Cena gains nothing by winning. He still has the same title shot at Bragging Rights regardless. I mean, Cena is impervious to pain, so it doesn't really matter, but a mortal man would be an idiot to go eat three pedigrees for nothing days before what WWE would like us to believe is the biggest match of his career. why would *anyone* care about winning or losing any match in which a title or No. 1 contendership is not on the line, as the results of all other matches seems totally inconsequential?

    2) What on Earth does Randy Orton have to offer Ted Dibiase Jr. that makes being treated like that worthwhile? Yeah I see the face turn coming, but why (in kayfabe terms) didn't it happen last night? Why would Dibiase willingly be made to look like such a bitch?

    3) Does Randy Orton really spend his nights while he's not in the ring standing in an apparently empty room watching a huge HD television he apparently hauls with him from city to city? Or does he only turn on that huge HD television when his opponent at the next pay-per-view is on it?


1)Cena needs the deck stacked against him at all times so that he can overcome the odds. 3 pedegrees to Cena is like a mortal man stubbing his toe the week before a big race. Will it cost him the match? Probably not, but it puts the odds against him THAT much more.

2) Ted Jr is guilty over living off his father's ill gotten millions all these years. Once he found out where nanny Saphire really came from, he has bee consumed with self loathing and feels the need to punish himself for his father's sins.

3) Randy is still between homes after HHH destroyed his last one. That HD TV is all that is left of his previous life.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.13
    Originally posted by geemoney
    It could be his last match on Raw, and everyone knows Cena wants to give the fans their money's worth. Plus, I'm sure he'd want to go out on top.


OK, well what about every other wrestler and every other match? The problem of any TV match in which there isn't a title or some measure of personal vindication on the line being totally meaningless is still a real one. Nothing is different as a result of Cena losing that match.


    2) He thinks being with Orton will help his career? Orton could give him the ol', "where would you be without ME?" speech.


What has Randy Orton done for Ted Dibiase? That's an honest question - I've been out of the country for a long time until recently and could only watch RAW sporadically, but I can't remember Randy Orton ever doing anything to help Ted Dibiase, only demand that Dibiase do things for him.


    3) I'd guess only watching his opponent. It wouldn't make sense for him to watch people he doesn't care about. And I'm sure WWE (or the arena) provides the TVs (even in storyline terms).


I just find the kayfabe suggestion that WWE lugs (presumably multiple) televisions of that size around the country for its wrestlers to watch the show to be funny. And Orton seemingly had his own TV, or was the only one interested enough to watch the most interesting match on this particular episode.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.62
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by geemoney
      It could be his last match on Raw, and everyone knows Cena wants to give the fans their money's worth. Plus, I'm sure he'd want to go out on top.


    OK, well what about every other wrestler and every other match? The problem of any TV match in which there isn't a title or some measure of personal vindication on the line being totally meaningless is still a real one. Nothing is different as a result of Cena losing that match.



I'd say it's pretty close to impossible to have something on the line in EVERY match. Just not realistic, especially with the amount of TV WWE needs to produce these days. The thinking is with every win, even with nothing on the line, will move you up the ladder for a shot at a title. That's how it used to work anyway.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.51
    Originally posted by i before e
    3) Randy is still between homes after HHH destroyed his last one. That HD TV is all that is left of his previous life.


Hahahaha.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.50
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    BTW, why are Drew McIntyre & Vickie's BF on team SD again?


I assume Escobar is there to give Vickie a reason to work ringside. His match against Matt Hardy last Friday showed nothing of note. They haven't played up the initial notion that Vince signed him right after signing McIntyre and possibly thinks as highly of him.

McIntyre got the rub of the year in his debut, with Vince personally polishing his apple, and Drew dropping R-Truth several notches down the ladder of IC title contention. Truth is certainly popular with for his entrance and style, but he's getting lapped by Dolph and now Drew.

Matt and Truth would have made for a more exciting possibilities (Truth vs. Kofi could go for days), and one can only hope Escobar loses in the first 30 seconds of the match.



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