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TONIGHT: Randy Orton is once again WWE Champion, and DX beat Legacy last night as well to perhaps end that feud. Where does DX go from here? Does Orton face another challenge from Cena at the next PPV? Oh, and Pittsburgh Steeler QB Ben Roethlisberger, with his trusty offensive linemen in tow, is hosting Raw tonight.

-I got back from my night class in time to see Ben Roethlisberger, who was introduced as guest GM. He wore a t-shirt with “CASH” on the front. He acknowledged the Eagles fans in the crowd and seemed to be a natural on the mic. He kicked things off immediately with the “Divas Bowl.” The divas, from all three brands, came out wearing Steelers half-uniforms. Well, the faces anyway. The heels had generic uniforms. And the Monday Night Football theme was playing throughout. The referee is Gail Kim.

(1) Divas Bowl- 16 Diva Tag Match

Jerseys included those of James Harrison, Hines Ward, Ben Roethlisberger. All sixteen women started off like they were attacking each other at the line of scrimmage. Then Kim blew her whistle and got everyone separated. “Too many divas on the field” said Michael Cole. Rosa Mendes got knocked to the mat immediately, so she tagged out to Alicia Fox. Alicia and Mickie James renewed their rivalry. Headscissors, then a neck-breaker from Mickie. Eve came in and got bronco bustered by Jillian. They traded coming in and out with no tags until everyone had been in. Double dropkick by the Bellas, Michelle McCool with the big boot on Melina, then Mickie DDT’d McCool. She then went back to the legal woman (as if that matters at this point), and landed a victor roll on Fox for the win.

Winners: The Faces, at 3:03. Inconsequential.

Randy Orton’s music interrupted the celebration. He.....slowly.....ca​me.....to......the......ring. Justin Roberts introduced him as he made his way to the ring. Yes, a perfect time for a commercial.

[Commercial Break]

-Orton was finally in the ring, no Divas in sight. Thank God; that could’ve been ugly. Orton told everyone he beat John Cena last night at Hell in a Cell. Orton claimed he didn’t cheat at all or use back-up last night. He said he beat Cena last night, end of story. Orton anticipated Cena coming out and asking for a re-match. He invited Cena to come out, because he said he knew exactly how he’d respond to Cena. Cena did, in fact, come out. No worse for wear, I might add. Orton yelled that Cena wouldn’t get a re-match for the title tonight. Cena said Orton just told the WWE Universe he doesn’t give a damn about them. So? Why would Orton care? Cena congratulated Orton on his win (boos for that), and said he walked in as champion and out as champion. Huh? There was something special about their Hell in a Cell match last night, Cena claimed. Cena said 60,000 of the WWE Universe was on their feet. I hope I mis-heard him and he said 16,000.

Cena said the rivalry between him and Orton is the one the fans know the result of the match will be amazing. Except when Orton gets himself DQ’d. Cena proposed one more match. An Iron-Man match. Please God, no. Cena said after this match, there will be no re-matches, no second chances. It’ll be that epic. Hypothetically, if Cena wins, Orton wouldn’t get a re-match Randy said, so why would he agree to that? Instead, Orton suggested a match on his terms. Cena wins, he gets the title, Orton wins, Cena is gone from Raw for good. Cena OK’d it. Orton continued with his terms: No-DQ, no count-out. Cena went into over-hype mode as Orton told him take it, or leave it. Cena still wanted 60 minutes, but agreed to the rest. They shook on it. Yeah, because that’s exactly what this feud needed: Not just another match, an hour-long match. At least they seemed to have an end-game for this feud in mind.

[Commercial Break]

-Jack Swagger came out for a match and since he looks and smells like a winner, therefore, is a winner. He promised not to lose from here on out, the rest of the year. It’s never good when a heel makes that promise. Not his best mic work.

(2) Jack Swagger vs. Primo

Hey, Primo got Aldo Montoya’s spinny fireworks things! Swagger set out to out-wrestle Primo, but he hit a flying head-scissors to take Swagger down. That didn’t seem to faze the big man. He did his trademark push-ups. Swagger pounded away at the chest area of Primo. Belly-to-belly throw garnered Swagger a two-count. He then applied a bear-hug. Roll-up by Primo after a missed charge. Primo sloppily fought out of the corner, then dropkicked him for two. Springboard, but Swagger kicked him right in the mid-section. Gutwrench powerbomb, and the pin was academic.

Winner: Swagger, at 3:25. Well, at least it’s an angle for Swagger.

-Big Show and Chris Jericho were chatting it up backstage. No audio for it, but they’ll be out at some point tonight.

[Commercial Break]

-The ladies from the opening match were all arguing backstage. Santino Marella cam in and issued a penalty, dressed as a ref, and echoing his voice like he’s in a stadium. He said no one likes to see Divas fighting each other. Santino told Mickie she and Alicia should kiss and make up. Fox said she had a better idea, and slapped Santino. Mickie shoved her and everyone started fighting again as Santino made it out of the brawl and ran away.

-Cole and Jerry Lawler talked on camera about Bragging Rights and said Cena vs. Orton would be on the PPV. Also, the Smackdown winners would face the Raw winners in a tag match at the end of the night.

-Ben Roethlisberger was in his office backstage talking to a stage-hand, when The Miz interrupted. He asked Ben if he heard what Swagger said out there. He called Swagger a loser, then Ben asked what happened. Miz admitted he got pinned last night. He proclaimed his awesomeness and said it’s a seven-day-a-week job. He asked for a U.S. Title match and Ben granted it. Miz thanked him and said he’s doing a great job. Big Ben said there’s one stipulation: If he loses, he has to grab the mic after the match and let the fans know: “I’m The Miz: And I’m Awful.” Miz said nothing as he walked away.

[Commercial Break]

(3) Chris Masters & Chavo Guerrero vs. Mark Henry & MVP

Henry took it to Masters early on, but appeared to hurt his knee on a splash. He tagged out to MVP. Chavo also tagged in and had his way with Montel Vontavious Porter. Chavo dropkicked Henry’s knee while he was on the apron, taking him out of the picture for the time being. MVP took Chavo to the mat and landed the “Ballin’!” elbowdrop and Masters tried to interfere, but was subdued by Henry. Pin and the three-count.

Winners: MVP & Henry, at 2:59. Ending came out of nowhere.

After the match, Masters had some unfriendly words with Chavo. Masters stuck his finger in Chavo’s face and Chavo returned the favor. Masters kicked Chavo in the gut and applied the Masterlock, but Hornswoggle made the save by biting Masters’ thigh. Chavo then came back and hit a DDT when Masters was distracted by the little man. Hornswoggle then jumped up and down doing the crotch chop at Chavo. Uh...OK.

-Guest host Ben Roethlisberger was walking backstage. He’s headed to the ring- are we going to see his O-Line tonight or what?

[Commercial Break]

-Roethlisberger came out again. This time, he went to the ring. He asked the fans if they were having fun tonight. As he tried to get the fans to cheer again, Big Show and Jericho’s music hit and they came out. Show told Roethlisberger not to get defensive as Show asked why they call him, “Big Ben.” Show wondered how big his O-Line could be compared to someone like him. Jericho chimed in, saying he bets they’re not as big as him. Roethlisberger then called out his linemen. Darnell Stapleton, Willie Colon, Trai Essex, Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig. One of’em even stepped over the top rope. Stapleton is injured but a starter, which is why there are six. Jericho made fun of them using big words and said they weren’t on a football field anymore; they’re in a wrestling ring. The linemen huddled up and took their positions across the ring in front of Ben. They lined up and Show was the only one of him and Jericho to crouch down. Ben called for a QB sneak and said they were coming right at Show, and at that point, he backed down. As they left the ring, DX’s music hit, and they came out.

The linemen seemed to like DX and they all made the hand/arm signal. Jericho and Show had already made their way up the ramp. He said a Sportscenter moment was ruined yet again by miscreants who want nothing more to do then plug their merchandise. Jericho did it for them, but sarcastically. “You suck” chants for Jericho. Triple H said he only came out to tell Jericho how nice his hair looks today. Jericho: “...really?” The Game: “No, your hair looks ridiculous.” Michaels talked about the agony he went through in Hell in a Cell last night. Michaels conceded that Jericho and Show have faced some great tag teams (they have?), but Michaels said they haven’t faced DX. HBK said his body was throbbing from head-to-toe, but yeah, it’s a challenge. Show told him to lick his wounds and come back another day. Jericho said they didn’t deserve to face Show and Jericho. Roethlisberger took the mic again and asked where Show and Jericho were going (they had started to walk up the ramp after Jericho’s spiel). He told the two “clowns” they’ll face DX tonight. And if they’re not down with that, he’s got two words for’em. DX and all the linemen and Ben did the crotch chop in the ring. All that jumping around the ring could knock something loose, they better be careful. They even posed for a picture before they went to break. And for what it’s worth, this aired just before Halftime of the MNF game.

-Next, The Miz faces Kofi Kingston for the U.S. Title.

[Commercial Break]

-Cole plugged WWE.com’s coverage of Hell in a Cell.

-Lawler also thanked Skillet for allowing them to use “Monster” as the HIAC theme. Skillet was also at ringside!

-They showed Ben introducing the Diva Bowl to kick off Raw, then what happened just moments ago.

(4) Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz- United States Championshp Match

Miz got too aggressive and Kofi side-stepped him, sending Miz to the floor. The two jaw-jacked head-to-head and Miz headbutted Kingston. Kofi went for the Trouble In Paradise, but Miz held onto the ropes. Miz was rolled up for two and went to ringside afterward. Miz came back in and choked Kofi in the ropes. He missed a charge in the corner, and Kofi hopped onto him to do the punches in the corner. Kingston had to be restrained by the ref after put the boots (and fists) to Miz in the corner. He too got overly aggressive and it cost him as Miz knocked him to ringside. They took a break about 3:30 into the match.

[Commercial Break]

Miz had Kofi in a chin-lock out of break. Kingston gout out of it but Miz stayed on offense. Cole said if Miz got fired for not saying “I’m awful,” he could get a job down the road at Dunder Mifflin (from TV’s “The Office,” located in Scranton). Except he struggled and stumbled getting “Dunder” out and he even admitted he blew that joke. Lawler covered by saying he must have been watching The Office lately. Hey, a reference that isn’t 20 years old! Anyway, Kingston hit Trouble in Paradise, but Miz rolled out of the ring. Kingston put him back in the ring but couldn’t get the three count. Why didn’t he just take the count-out win? The Boom drop landed, but Miz grabbed the bottom rope to break up the pin. Kingston with a back-slide for two. The two pelted each other with rights until Kofi hit a flying forearm. High cross-body by Kingston, but Miz rolled through for two. S.O.S by Kingston for two, again. Kofi tried to jump to the middle rope, but slipped and fell. Miz took advantage with the Skull Crushing Finale for the win and the title.

Winner: The Miz, at 10:44. Good match, especially when things started heating up late. Cole acknowledged that this was Miz’s first major singles title.

Miz got the mic after the match and told everyone they were looking at the new U.S. Champion. Because he’s The Miz and he’s awesome. Fans said “awful” when he paused there, in a nice touch.

-Cole reminded fans that, for the first time ever, DX would face Jericho and Big Show.

[Commercial Break]

-Cole and Lawler discussed tonight’s Raw, as well as the upcoming Bragging Rights PPV. They threw it to footage of Cena and Orton’s confrontation from earlier tonight.

-Hornswoggle talked to Big Ben backstage in semi-English. Santino in his ref’s outfit walked up. He was not happy about being mauled by the Divas and asked Ben to do something about it. Marella kept mis-pronouncing Ben’s name. Hornswoggle slapped him and he got it right. Then he shook his hand and welcomed Ben to Raw. I guess the slap set him straight.

-Big Show and Jericho were walking backstage- they’re heading to the ring for their match, which is next.

[Commercial Break]

-Access Hollywood’s Nancy O’Dell and Maria Menounos will be duel guest hosts next week. For some reason, whenever I picture Nancy O’Dell, I imagine Mary Hart from the old Entertainment Tonight. And Nancy O’Dell is most certainly NOT Mary Hart.

(5) Chris Jericho & The Big Show vs. Shawn Michaels & Triple H

These guys shouldn’t be wrestling a day after HIAC. Well maybe Triple H can since he didn’t do much, but Michaels shouldn’t. Triple H and Jericho began the match. Loud “Triple H” chants by the fans. When Michaels tagged in, fans chanted “HBK.” No questions about where their allegiances lie. Jericho got the better of Michaels long enough to tag Big Show. Michaels was selling the back injury from last night a bit. Triple H tagged in and he stared at Big Show from the apron for quite some time. He was about to enter the ring as they went to break about 2:30 in.

[Commercial Break]

Show had Triple H in a waist-lock as Jericho was imploring the DX member to give up from ringside. Show whipped Triple H into the corner and then splashed him there. A tag to Jericho and he got some offense in between the trash talk. The Game battled back, but ran into a Jericho boot in the corner. Missile dropkick into a cover from Y2J for two. Jericho missed at attempt to jump on Hunter’s back with his throat across the middle rope. Michaels tagged in and did well at first, but a hard whip to the buckle changed that. Big legdrop from the newly-legal man Big Show. Show did a number on Michaels’ back, but HBK tried to fight back against Jericho. Jericho applied the Walls to work more on Shawn’s back. He was in the middle of the ring too. He got close to tagging Hunter, but Jericho then pulled him further away. Michaels got close again but was pulled away and this time, Triple H interfered to break the hold. Both men were down at this point. Jericho made the tag as Michaels tried to get to his feet in a neutral corner. HBK got the foot up on a couple charges, then dropkicked Show’s knee. Shawn finally made the tag. He worked over Jericho, who tagged in, including all of his signature knee-related moves. Pedigree, but Show grabbed both his and Michaels’ throat. Instead, DX tried a suplex, but Show suplexed them both. Show ended up getting tossed to the outside while Jericho rolled Triple H up for two. Show was thrown into the ring post at ringside, then thrown into the timekeeper’s bay. It was two-on-one with Jericho at this point. Jericho figured the odds were not in his favor, so he left the ring. But as he was heading up the ramp, Ben Roethlisberger and his O-Line, all in DX gear, cut off Jericho’s escape. DX was behind him and they grabbed him and threw him back into the ring. He got Superkicked and Hunter pinned him.

Winners: DX, at 18:28. Fine match. Cole proclaimed Raw “the greatest show in the history of cable television.”

The Steelers celebrated with DX as the show went off the air.



(edited by geemoney on 5.10.09 2309)
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God I hate DX - I really do.



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That was, surprisingly, a very fine episode of RAW. A wrestling show with wrestling content and a guest host and special guests who were clearly fans of the product, enjoying themselves, and helped enhance the presentation. Big Ben did a really good job hosting. That was the best RAW since Trish hosted and on par with when Shaq hosted.

The Steelers offensive line is huge. Most of them sized up quite favorably against the Big Show.

Wow, they gave Miz his first singles title. I don't like the guy but it's still nice to see something new happen. I have to admit, I didn't think they'd pull the trigger on Miz until Kofi hit Trouble in Paradise and Miz fell to the floor. Once that happened, I was just waiting for Miz to score the upset. Congrats to him, he's been long-suffering as a perceived joke by many. Let's see him prove he isn't.

I liked Chavo trying to explain to Masters why he got pinned: "He dropped an elbow on me!" Seriously, Chavito, you got pinned by Ballin'?

Diva Bowl was fun. At least all of the girls got to do something in the match, and I'll never complain about Mickie drilling McCool with her DDT and beating her decisively.

I don't mind DX beating JeriShow (everyone refers to them as that now, including Show - ha!) but it's shame HBK is hobbled and at best at 50%. I mean, Michaels IS injured or nursing injuries, isn't he? Because otherwise he's the greatest salesman I think I've ever seen. I loved when DX put Big Show into bolivion that Jericho headed for the hills. Brilliant move. Damn Pittsburgh Steelers were clearly biased for DX.

So, every one else for over two years who Randy Orton has kicked in the head has been laid out with a concussion, but John Cena is one hundred percent fine. Is it unfair why many hate him? No, it isn't.

I know for sure that after enduring so many matches between these two, including a Hell in a Cell last night that ended with the shittiest looking chinlock that "knocked Cena out" and then followed by a punt kick that Cena shook off in vintage Wolverine style, that I have no interest in watching Orton and Cena wrestle for an hour in three weeks. Even with the new No Holds Barred Iron Man rules. Which, by the way, Orton is a dummy for accepting because it eliminates the classic strategies of getting countouts and of purposely getting DQ'd in order to use weapons to score pinfalls and run up the total number of falls. The stipulation of Cena leaving RAW basically gave away who would win the Iron Man (never mind that Cena has experience while Orton has none.) But that's complaining about Bragging Rights and there's three weeks for that.

Good RAW. Looking forward to the double eye candy of Nancy O'Dell and Maria Menounos next week.
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I'm just glad it's not my team's QB on Raw. If Brady were to show up during the offseason it would be one thing, but the Steelers don't even have a bye next week.

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I liked this Raw very much. Big Ben seemed to be really into it tonight. He did a great job considering he would have zero time to prepare for this show tonight. You knew Big Show and the offensive line would have a skit and it was well done.

One thing, where was Legacy tonight????
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    I liked Chavo trying to explain to Masters why he got pinned: "He dropped an elbow on me!" Seriously, Chavito, you got pinned by Ballin'?


You might want to go back and watch that part, apparently you missed the entire thing.

Miz vs Kofi was one of the best matches Raw has offered up in a long, long time. I just about stopped watching at that point because I knew the show wasn't going to get any better. I didn't, and I wasn't disappointed by the main event, but I was right about that being the high point.

Roethlisberger was decent with some good moments. With a bit of practice, he could definitely be excellent. Next time he cripples himself in a motorcycle accident, he should consider signing on as a GM or some such.

The Diva Bowl had some nice spots including Eve's flipping senton that might actually be the most credible looking version of the move since Dick Togo's. I also liked Kelly Kelly's legdrop from the back of her opponents back and while not text book perfect, the Bella Twins' double dropkick was a sight to behold as well.

    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    I'll never complain about Mickie drilling McCool with her DDT and beating her decisively.


I'll admit that a lot of the Divas look alike (even Cole had problems figuring out who Jillian was at one point) but I'm pretty sure Alicia Fox (who ate the pin) and Michelle McCool are relatively easy to tell apart.

I'm sure I'm the only one who's actually intrigued by the possibilities of the Iron Man Match. Then again, I'm sure I'll be the only one who actually thinks Cena could lose it. I guess being able to enjoy such possibilities is one of the benefits of not personally sitting in the booking sessions like everyone else seems to do.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I'm just glad it's not my team's QB on Raw. If Brady were to show up during the offseason it would be one thing, but the Steelers don't even have a bye next week.


As Roethlisberger pointed out in an interview somewhere, he and the offensive line get together every Monday night for to play cards and Tuesday is an off day, so why shouldn't they be allowed to host Raw? It's not like they had to travel very far to do it or were physically involved in any way.

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    Originally posted by InVerse

    I'm sure I'm the only one who's actually intrigued by the possibilities of the Iron Man Match. Then again, I'm sure I'll be the only one who actually thinks Cena could lose it. I guess being able to enjoy such possibilities is one of the benefits of not personally sitting in the booking sessions like everyone else seems to do.


One doesn't need to "sit in on the booking sessions" to be sick of this feud, or to dislike the direction of the company. To me, there are no intriguing possibilities here. Cena wins or Orton wins. Either way it's something you've seen before. They aren't good together, they have no chemistry, and both of them have been in the world title scene far too long. I have no desire, not even so much as a perverse curiosity, in seeing them work for an hour.

To me, reading the results of Hell in the Cell made me glad not only that I didn't order it that pay-per-view, but convinces me that it would have been a rip-off for free. Every possible booking decision was bad. No one I would have wanted to go over went over. Now on RAW, Kofi loses the title. Every belt is now on a heel, unless you count the Divas title, which I personally don't. And now dX is fixing to bury, I mean, "work with" Jericho and Show, the one act on this brand I consistently enjoy. So yeah, it's looking bleak for me as a fan. But if you actually enjoy this stuff, hey, knock yourself out.





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My god Ben is awesome.

    Originally posted by InVerse
    I'm sure I'm the only one who's actually intrigued by the possibilities of the Iron Man Match.


I am! Everyone was certain that Rock/HHH was going to be a disaster and it was great. With no DQs and no countouts they can do storyline stuff to kill time.

I'm rooting for them to pull it off, but at the same time, Pittsburgh is a quiet crowd, or at least they were before Cena brought in the kidz generation. They did the Benoit/HHH 60 minute match here and the first 40 minutes were uncomfortably quiet. But that's the problem with every Iron Man match they've done; no one cares until the finish and really why should they unless a babyface is trying to catch up in falls.


    I guess being able to enjoy such possibilities is one of the benefits of not personally sitting in the booking sessions like everyone else seems to do.


Yeah whatever


    I also liked Kelly Kelly's legdrop from the back of her opponents back


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    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    One thing, where was Legacy tonight????


Cody had his face crushed in HIAC.

    Originally posted by HMD
    Every belt is now on a heel


Is that a problem? Even if it somehow was, it'll only be for 3 weeks until Cena gets the belt back. (Booking meeting)
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Is Cena the first guy to seemingly shrug off the Orton punt? He looked just fine last night.

Jack Swagger seems to be getting worse out there.

Kofi/Miz was good stuff.



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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Is Cena the first guy to seemingly shrug off the Orton punt? He looked just fine last night.


They were covering for that at the PPV. Cena had worked on Orton's leg during the match, setting up a lengthy STF(U) application that left Orton limping. The announcers sold it as Orton being unable to get as much on his punt as usual, more than Cena having tremendous recuperation.

In all fairness, compared to some of his earlier punts as well, this one didn't look very good either. Poor camera angle, maybe.

And as for being the first guy to 'shrug it off', in their Wrestlemania Triple Threat match a couple of years ago, Triple H attempted to break up Orton's pin on Cena around five seconds after taking the punt. So no, it's not the first time.
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I forgot to watch, but Waffles wearing a Johnny Cash shirt on RAW was more than enough for me to forgive him for Chicago and Cincinnati.
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker

    Jack Swagger seems to be getting worse out there.

    Kofi/Miz was good stuff.


He's reminding me of JBL - he's all kicks and punches now.

With all due respect to the lovely Mrs. Tracker, I'm happy for th Miz. Kofi is getting a little stale.
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    Originally posted by djp
    With all due respect to the lovely Mrs. Tracker, I'm happy for th Miz. Kofi is getting a little stale.


Just last night, she said Kofi was her favorite wrestler ever. Even more than Kurt Angle, I asked. Yes, she said. Kofi looks genuinely happy to be a professional wrestler. She adores him.

I dig Miz. He's come a long way, and he's earned a prominent angle. Since the secondary belts no longer imply rank on the roster, the championship doesn't make him a main eventer. I don't think he's gotten that good yet.



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Ben and the O-line not getting hurt was all I cared about. The rest I wish I could say I watched, but I was one of the apparently 58 million people who watched the Wrath of Brett last night.
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola

    Even with the new No Holds Barred Iron Man rules. Which, by the way, Orton is a dummy for accepting because it eliminates the classic strategies of getting countouts and of purposely getting DQ'd in order to use weapons to score pinfalls and run up the total number of falls. The stipulation of Cena leaving RAW basically gave away who would win the Iron Man (never mind that Cena has experience while Orton has none.) But that's complaining about Bragging Rights and there's three weeks for that.









Actually, no DQ/no countout works for Orton, as Legacy could come at halfway through the match, give Cena repeated spiked piledrivers on the concrete floor, and it wouldn't cost him a fall. So, instead of losing a fall by dq in order to pick up 2 or 3 falls, you give up zero falls to get 2 or 3 falls.
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation

    Actually, no DQ/no countout works for Orton, as Legacy could come at halfway through the match, give Cena repeated spiked piledrivers on the concrete floor, and it wouldn't cost him a fall. So, instead of losing a fall by dq in order to pick up 2 or 3 falls, you give up zero falls to get 2 or 3 falls.


This is an excellent point you bring up, and highlights a potential plot hole with the match format, in a similar way to why triple threat (escape) cage matches and reverse battle royals don't hold up logically.

Orton may be a douche, but he has buds, unlike Johnny "No-Mates" Cena.

The logical path for this match to take is for Teddles and Cody to come down and bash No-Mates over the head with a chair and for Orton to get a pinfall. Then they bash him over the head again, for another pinfall. Repeat for the next 60 minutes. Teddles and Cody could even take turns with the head bashing so as not to get too tired.

So logical, but not great television.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.37
Cryme Tyme runs off Legacy (CTC 4 life)
or
Legacy goes "Randy u being all rude to us, u think u so good, at it? well then we ain't helping" "CODY TED NO! MY LIFE..."
or
Andy Samberg bans Legacy from Ringside
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.16
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Cryme Tyme runs off Legacy (CTC 4 life)
    or
    Legacy goes "Randy u being all rude to us, u think u so good, at it? well then we ain't helping" "CODY TED NO! MY LIFE..."
    or
    Andy Samberg bans Legacy from Ringside


Or heck, whomever their opponent is that night runs either injures them or runs them out of the arena, leaving Orton in the hallway calling out "Guys, you ready? Guys? Guyyyyyyys??"
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
    Originally posted by redsoxnation

    Actually, no DQ/no countout works for Orton, as Legacy could come at halfway through the match, give Cena repeated spiked piledrivers on the concrete floor, and it wouldn't cost him a fall. So, instead of losing a fall by dq in order to pick up 2 or 3 falls, you give up zero falls to get 2 or 3 falls.


I did consider that, and I think that brings up another of my personal grievances with the Orton vs. Cena feud. Besides the sheer length of it. I just don't like the style they work against each other. Some think their matches have been amazing, but to me, I find their matches really phony. (The finish of the Hell in a Cell is a case in point). The I Quit match, while admittedly novel in the "torture" of Cena, was asinine to me, especially the comeback by Cena where after 15 minutes of pure offense, Orton was rendered impotent by punches and surrendered to the STFU in 7 seconds. So the No Holds Barred Iron Man concept to me spells more ridiculous phony-looking shit Orton and Cena will do to each other - a whole hour's worth of it.

I do think the No Holds Barred Iron Man idea is intriguing, but not for Orton and Cena, and especially not for me buying it to see them. I mean, if Jericho, Edge, HBK, or even Rey and Undertaker (if either could handle it without being crippled in the process) did this match, my money is on the table.
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Congratulations, WWE - not even one day into the promotion of your next PPV, and you've convinced me not to buy it. Bad enough we're getting Cena/Orton AGAIN...but we're getting them in an iron man match. That's just pathetic booking. Come on, WWE - there has to be someone out there ready for a main event run with Orton.

I cannot explain it enough - I am sick and tired of Cena/Orton. I bet they're great friends backstage (I've heard that they had issues initially but ironed them out; eventually becoming tight) but sorry, I'm tired of their feud. And I'm a Randy Orton mark, to boot!

Is the Dirt Sheet still running on WWE's website? It'd be nice to see Morrison and Miz go at it with their title belts. I'm awesome! No, I'm awesome! We're both awesome! It'd be fun. The Miz has something special which shows when paired off against great opponents. Kofi didn't look weak at all in that match, which worked incredibly well. I wouldn't mind seeing them have a rematch, preferably longer this time.

What the hell is going on between Chavo and Hornswoggle? I used that time to relace my workboots and pick out the crud from the treads. Sadly, it was more entertaining than that storyline.



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