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TONIGHT: The Sarge is in charge; Sgt. Slaughter, that is, as RAW emanates from Calgary, Alberta Canada this evening. If only CM Punk was still on the brand so I could hear Slaughter call him “CM Puke.” With two Raw episodes left ‘til Summerslam, we’ll probably get some hype for the matches that are already scheduled, including John Cena vs. Randy Orton. Will Triple H’s phone-tag buddy show up? Will Big Show crush another competitor? How about Mark Henry? How about we find out together?


-WWE Open.

-Lilian Garcia introduced Randy Orton, who was already standing in the ring with a mic. Orton said he’s been hearing rumors that he’s worried about facing John Cena at Summerslam. He said he bullied Jeremy Piven last week for the same reason he bullies fans too; because he can. He insulted them a bit, probably making sure the Bizarro Canadian crowd didn’t cheer him, but they weren’t anyway. “You suck” chant from the crowd. Orton said he’d beat John Cena at Summerslam, and even guaranteed it. Then John Cena’s music hit and he walked out looking all business.

Cena said Orton makes him angry. You wouldn’t like him.....ah, whatever. Cena got right in Orton’s face and yelled that he’s very close to snapping. He said he’s tired of Orton talking about what he’s going to do and like he thinks this business owes him something. He also said he was tired of Orton bullying people simply because he says he can. Cena told him to bully him if he wants to bully someone. He said he was ready to rip Orton’s body in half. He asked if Orton was going to talk about it or do something about it. They went forehead to forehead as some fans chanted “RKO, RKO.” Before they could come to blows, Big Show, Chris Jericho and their sucky theme song interrupted.

Big Show began to work the mic, but stopped when the fans chanted, “Y2J, Y2J.” He said when he breathes, people get intimidated and Cena said it was because his breath smelled like Shaq’s jock-strap. Jericho answered Cena and the crowd immediately cheered. He played to it, saying Raw was in his country. He spoke highly of Canada, but Cena reminded him he left Canada and went to the United States. Jericho said he had a meeting with Sgt. Slaughter earlier in the day, where he told Sarge that he owed it to Jericho to give him wanted. Jericho said he wanted to do something he’s never done before. So he has a one-on-one match with Cena. He said tonight, for the first time ever, he’ll beat Cena. Orton chimed in, saying he’d make a statement after Cena’s match by punting him in the skull. Show said there’s something Orton needs to know: Jericho got his match because Show was standing next to him. Tonight, he wants more than just Kofi Kingston- he’s facing Orton. All four faced off in the ring as the segment ended.

-Backstage, to a profile of Sgt. Slaughter, with his chin in the air. “Atten...hut!” he told the camera, then went back to posing. That was kinda awkward.

-“The Search for Shawn Michaels” is still to come as well. Is this like the “Lost in Cleveland” skits with Mick Foley?

[Commercial Break]

-The WWE.com trivia question: Who did Sarge defeat to win the WWE Championship? Hogan, Savage or Warrior?

(1) Kelly Kelly vs. Alicia Fox vs. Gail Kim vs. Beth Phoenix- Four Way Divas Match where the winner will receive a future Divas Championship Match
Kelly paired off with Beth (who she hit a hurricanrana on) and Kim was working over Fox. Beth had Kelly up for the Glam Slam, but Kim rolled her up, forcing Beth, who still held onto Kelly, to roll HER up too. That was weird/slightly awesome; then the girls traded roll-ups, with each getting progressively sloppier. Kelly fought away at Fox and Beth in the ring, but the heels finally overwhelmed her. Fox accidentally kicked Beth and Kim hit a missile dropkick on Fox, but the pin was interrupted by Kelly. Beth picked up both Kim and Kelly on her shoulders (she has done this before) at the same time, then Fox took out her knees. Beth got pissed and got in Fox’s face, shoving her down. She low-bridged Fox, but Kim came from behind and pounded on Beth. Kim flew onto Fox on the outside and Kelly hit her springboard elbow in the corner. Beth caught her and Kelly landed a flying cross-body onto Kim and Fox on the outside. Then Beth went to the top for what appeared to be a moonsault, but Fox tripped her up. Fox dropkicked Kelly back to the outside and inside, Kim hit her finisher (the foot to the chin move) on Fox.

Winner: Kim, at 4:07. Well, it was certainly a unique match, I’ll give them that. Sloppy at times, but they tried something different.

-As the ladies made their way to the back, Sgt. Slaughter’s music played to little reaction from the fans. Sarge did come out and saluted the crowd. He tried to get on the good side of the fans by saying he was proud to stand in front of all the proud Canadians to be their guest GM tonight. He said he respected the neighbors of the north, which is why his first official assignment as guest host is to lead them all in a salute to the Canadian Flag. They put a big one up on the Titantron. Then a giant circle with a line through it covered the flag. Oh, snap! Slaughter said he realized that if it weren’t for Uncle Sam, all the Canadians would be speaking Russian and French. Well, some do speak French. And he just mentioned that. He called it embarrassing as the crowd chanted “asshole.” He said they take the U.S’s protection for granted. In a sweet move, a fan they had shown earlier with a Slaughter sign now had it ripped up. Slaughter implored the fans to pay their respects to the greatest country in the world. He said the Pledge of Allegiance as the U.S. flag was on the Titantron. His music played, and Sgt. Slaughter told the crowd they were dismissed. Well, I guess that’s the other way to go with that.

[Commercial Break]

-They showed Triple H’s post-match mic work after his two-on-one match last week. Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler talked about HHH’s search for Michaels and said we’d see clips of the new job Michaels has taken, later in the show. I smell bad comedy coming up.

(2) Jack Swagger vs. Evan Bourne
This was billed as their rubber match, since each has won one against the other. Knowing WWE’s booking, it’ll end in a double count-out. Swagger got to Bourne right out of the gate. Drop toe-hold by Bourne, then a kick to the face. Double knee to the shoulder on the outside. Bourne tried to flip back in, but Swagger put his knee out and Bourne’s back rammed right into it. Swagger stretched Bourne’s arms out in the middle of the ring. Bourne got out of it and he took Swagger down with a dropkick to the knee. Evan went to the top, but took too long and Swagger bot up. Bourne tried a head-scissors but Swagger stopped him before he could flip- the crowd “ohh’d!” when it happened. Swagger went for a slam, but Bourne got an inside cradle for two. After going back-and-forth, including a good Bourne knee to the face, Swagger came back and hit the gutwrench powerbomb for three.

Winner: Swagger, at 2:47. Swagger one-ups Bourne, but less than three minutes for this? Come on.

Swagger got on the mic and appeared to be bleeding from the mouth again (it seems to happen every match). He hyped himself up, but MVP’s music interrupted. He said the only people who care less about Swagger being an All-American than him are the Canadian fans, who are booing him because he’s a loudmouth idiot with a lisp. MVP said he wasn’t blessed with a trust fund like Swagger, but he was blessed with ability in the ring, so he challenged Swagger to a match tonight. Swagger’s answer: Maybe.....next week. MVP then shoved him to the mat. Crowd chanted “MVP, MVP” as Swagger rolled out of the ring.

-Cole plugged Orton vs. Big Show and Cena vs. Jericho still to come. Also, Triple H traveled to Texas to try to reunite with Shawn Michaels. The search for Michaels is next.

[Commercial Break]

-“Earlier Today”......Triple was at an office building cafeteria. He called Michaels and left a phone message. Hunter said he didn’t see Shawn’s name in the directory.....then saw someone who, from behind, looked like Shawn. He said it’s a different look from the chaps, but it wasn’t Michaels. The guy seemed interested in what he thought was Hunter’s come-on. He said he got off at seven. Some girl was ringing a bell at the counter yelling that she wanted her hamburger. Finally, we saw a hand cover her hand to stop ringing the bell.....and it was Michaels, in full chef outfit. He told the girl he needed to cook BOTH sides of the hamburger and seemed close to losing it as he talked to her. Hunter came up next to Shawn with a look of disbelief. “Hey Hunter” was all Shawn said, then he walked away.

-Cole and Lawler couldn’t believe what they just saw. They plugged Hunter on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon as Cole continued his fake laugh.

-Slaughter came out again. Sarge said he was just playing before, but they’ll really like this. He said he went out and got someone to sing the Canadian National Anthem. He introduced Celine Dion. But he said he couldn’t get her, but got someone better......then Jillian Hall walked out with the red-white-and-blue hat and coat on and sang “God Bless America.” She and Sarge hugged as they went to commercial.

[Commercial Break- including a commercial with Vince and Eve (and Khali) paying tribute to USA’s “Monk,” which is in its final season.]

(3) Eugene vs. Calgary Kid- Contract-on-a-Pole Match
Eugene was already in the ring and Calgary Kid came out dressed in a mask and Canadian tights. I’m guessing it’s Miz. Eugene got distracted by the Kid, who went up to the top, but Eugene caught him before he could get the contract. Rock Bottom by Eugene (who has gained some weight) then the People’s Elbow. He tried to climb the ropes, but the Kid stopped him at the top. Finally, he was headbutted down. Finally, the Kid got it.

Winner: Kid, at 1:17. I know they want Eugene to work with younger talent, but wouldn’t that be better served by having him wrestle legit matches, instead of comedy matches as Eugene?

The Kid helped Eugene up, but gave him Miz’s finisher and the Kid took off his mask to reveal who it really was. He got up on the announce table and said The Miz was the winner. You mean he didn’t lose to send him to a different brand? He’s back on Raw? That is just about as stupid as burying him and having him lose a loser-leaves-Raw match in the first place.

-Randy Orton was shown walking backstage....he’ll take on Big Show next.

[Commercial Break]

(4) Randy Orton vs. The Big Show
Show appeared to intimidate Orton early on by going face-to-face with him. Orton got a punch blocked and was headbutted down. Shot to the ribs by his mallet-like hands, according to Cole in this week’s edition of “Compare Big Show’s body parts to inatimate objects.” Show stepped on Orton’s throat near the ropes. Show stepped on, then over Orton. Dominating performance two minutes into the match by Show. Orton got sent to the outside after being slapped in the chest seated on the top rope by Show and Show threw him back in. Orton caught Show coming back in with a poke of the eye and a dropkick that showed a TON of light. DDT by Orton with Show’s feet on the middle ropes; but it only got two. He Garvin Stomped Show, then knee-dropped him. RKO was countered and Orton got chokeslamed. But on the pin, Orton put his foot on the bottom rope. Show had to be restrained by the ref and set up to hit a big right hand. Orton slid under it and out of the ring up the ramp. He was then counted out.

Winner: Show, via count-out, at 6:06. That’s the way to book your top heel. I don’t get the infatuation with Show lately.

-More “Adventures of Shawn and Hunter.” Shawn was setting stuff up as Hunter tried to understand things. Shawn clarified that he wasn’t a cook, but a chef. “They don’t give these (chef clothes) to just anyone, you know.” Shawn said after Wrestlemania, he felt like he couldn’t do it anymore. Hunter insulted the “corporate nimrods” Shawn worked for. And they panned back to show a few standing there. Hunter said no offense and Shawn said he and the nimrods were like brothers. Shawn said they respect him. The little girl walked back in and threw her tater tots in Shawn’s face, clearly unhappy with the food. Hunter said Legacy was out of control and that he needed Shawn. He said he’s needed there. HBK said he didn’t want to here it from Hunter. Shawn said he’s happy now and more importantly, he’s really good at what he does. Behind them, a fire started up on the grill. Hunter called him chef Boyardee, and HBK did a double-take before comically running over there to put it out. He walked back over to Hunter and said, “alright, I’m listening.” This is like right out of Sitcom Writing 101.

[Commercial Break]

(5) MVP vs. Chris Masters
MVP fired away with right hands on Masters, but Masters pulled his leg off the middle rope. He stomped on MVP several times. Nice dropkick, which got a one count. He started to wear down MVP. MVP got out of it and made his comeback. Face-buster on the knee, then he followed it up with the “Ballin’!” elbowdrop. Masters dodged a big boot in the corner and attempted to lock in the Masterlock. MVP countered with the Playmaker for the win.

Winner: MVP, at 2:29. Good win for MVP here.

Jack Swagger walked out after the match. MVP challenged him to get into the ring, but Masters came from behind and hooked on the Masterlock. Swagger then came in and hit the gutwrench powerbomb on the prone MVP.

-They showed Jeremy Piven on Live with Regis and Kelly and Jimmy Fallon’s show this past week, interspersed with clips of him hosting Raw last week. Dr. Ken also spoke on Fallon’s show and said he’d get his revenge on Cena.

-Cole and Lawler talked about Cena vs. Jericho later on tonight.

[Commercial Break]

-Back to Texas, where Shawn was grilling burgers and Hunter continued to try to convince him to come back to WWE. Triple H even helped in grilling- even though neither was wearing gloves. Hunter flipped a burger onto the ground and without Shawn seeing it, put it back on the grill. Hunter tried to convince Shawn to come back to Summerslam. “I thought it was Summerfest?” Shawn said. The manager walked in yelling, “Hickenbottom!” He was upset that he yelled at a little girl and asked Shawn why he let “that idiot” Hunter in the back. He said guys like Shawn are a dime a dozen and he could easily be replaced. Shawn then superkicked him and Shawn agreed to come back. They said if you’re not down with that, I got two words for ya....then an old lady walked across the screen and said “suck it.” The little girl started complaining again and Shawn said there’s something he’s gotta do. The girl got in his face and yelled, “what do you want?” The camera focused on Shawn and without showing the girl, he superkicked her and her food went flying. Shawn went back behind the counter and put his chef hat on the grill, burning it.

-They went to Lawler and Cole for reaction shots, in case we weren’t aware that last skit was supposed to be funny. They also revealed that Warrior beat Sarge, a fact 51% of fans got right. Hogan got 33%.

-Slaughter came out a third time. Sarge said they’ve been great sports allowing him to poke fun at Canada. Sarge said it doesn’t matter what country we’re from, we’re all part of the WWE Universe. Slaughter said he’d like to be a very special guest, someone we haven’t seen in quite a long time. Especially in Calgary, he thought it’d be great to bring him back. He said “the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.” Bret Hart’s music hit and the crowd bit on it. Instead, Hacksaw Jim Duggan came out, waving Old Glory. Duggan went to the ring with the flag and waved it around inside the squared circle as they went to break.

[Commercial Break]

-Hornswoggle and Mark Henry came out to face Chavo and a partner of his choice. Chavo came out in dress clothes, saying he was looking forward to this match, but his injuries from last week haven’t healed. He said he found a replacement tag team to face them, and out walked Legacy.

(6) Hornswoggle & Mark Henry vs. Ted DiBiase & Cody Rhodes
DiBiase bounced off Henry a couple times, then tagged out to Rhodes. Henry offered Rhodes a shot, which Rhodes took. But Henry blocked a second one and press slammed Cody. Mark missed a splash and DiBiase tagged in, aggressively going after the man in red. The heels tried a double suplex, but Henry suplexed both men instead. DiBiase dove at Henry, but Henry caught him and gave him the World’s Strongest Slam. Tag to Hornswoggle, but DiBiase dodged the Tadpole Splash. Rhodes took Henry out and DiBiase gave Horny a giant Dream Street for the win.

Winners: Legacy, at 2:38. I thought Henry was going to be more of an upper-card player after his Raw return. Because there are no tag teams, they had to continue to try to build Legacy up for their match with DX against a midget. Sad.

-Legacy got the mic on the ramp after the match. DiBiase said it appeared DX has reformed. He said it doesn’t scare them and said to answer DX’s eternal question.....they ARE ready. He proclaimed that DX would make the shortest comeback in WWE history at Summerslam. Rhodes said if you’re not down with that, they’ve got two words for ya....too bad.

-Jericho was backstage with Josh Mathews and said he’s chosen to finally beat Cena in Calgary, where he dedicated the match he’s about to have. Big Show interrupted, upset that Orton ran away from him. Jericho said things are under control and that everyone is going to boo Cena and cheer him. Jericho said it’s so easy to manipulate them and that he really wasn’t born in Calgary. He said something about Canadians not being Americans and then said they call Calgary “Cow-town” because it smells like a huge cow pie. Mathews stepped back in to tell Jericho they’re still on the air. Jericho had and “oh shit” look on his face.

[Commercial Break]

-They showed a shot of Calgary and Lawler said Freddie Prinze, Jr, would guest host Raw next week. Hope he brings his wife with him. She’s not that big a star anymore anyway.

-The announcers discussed the Summerslam card, and DX vs. Legacy has been officially added to the lineup.

-John Cena and Chris Jericho both made their entrances for the main event. The bell will ring to start things next.

[Commercial Break]

(7) John Cena vs. Chris Jericho
Jericho took Cena down, and the fans mostly booed him, though some cheered. Jericho rolled Cena up for one. He tried to hook the Walls on Cena, but John escaped the ring. Lawler made reference to the crowd being bizarro world when Cena was on the apron taking in the reaction. Yeah, because no one anywhere else boos Cena. Side headlock from Cena, then a take-over. Cena missed a dive, as Jericho hit the deck. Then he baseball slid Cena out of the ring. Cena battled back and the crowd seemed behind him for the most part. Cena broke out of a rest-hold and came back with rights. Cena knocked Y2J down with a shoulderblock, then another. Cena tried the “you can’t see me” bit but Jericho rolled him up for two. Face-buster put Cena back down. Lionsault, but Jericho landed on his feet after Cena moved. Cena rolled through a cross-body and got to his feet. Attitude Adjustment coming up, but he was rolled up again and Jericho put Cena in the Walls. Cena reversed it and put Jericho in the STF. Before he could tap, Randy Orton came out and got in the ring, causing the DQ, which Lawler helpfully acknowledged.

Winner: Cena, by DQ, at 6:47.

The two men stood in center ring and Jericho gave a codebreaker to Cena. Then Orton threw Jericho out of the ring and Big Show came out to even the odds. Slaughter came out and for next week, made Cena and Orton vs. Big Show and Jericho. The two soon-to-be teammates clotheslined Show out of the ring. Cena put Jericho up for the Attitude Adjustment, and Orton landed an RKO on Jericho right out of the move, which looked BOSS. Cena and Orton looked at each other warily as the show went off the air.
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Calgary was a hot crowd. I liked Slaughter heeling them old school cheap heat style. So much for all the predictions that he was there to shill GI Joe.

That was the best Divas match on RAW in months. Surprisingly hard hitting and a bit of a surprise that Gail won. (In Canada too.) I've suspected for a couple of weeks Mickie is headed for a heel turn and it just may happen now. Incidentally, did anyone catch what Lillian called Alicia Fox in her ring introduction? It sounded like she called her "Alicia Dees" or something.

First Chris Masters and now Eugene. All past Wellness violation are being forgiven one by one.

Swagger and Bourne's mini-feud probably lasted what, 12 minutes tops in three matches over three weeks?

I think the DX skit was written by the same guy who wrote the old WCW Mick Foley Lost in Cleveland skits.

I'd have preferred Calgary Kid on the roster instead of Miz, but it was a great angle. So much for "banned from RAW for all eternity." I hope that at the very least Miz is still banned from the Summerfest.
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very pitiful show (par for the course for RAW).

I was expecting the midget Bret's appearance instead of Duggan.

No one tell the CT board of education about the implied "comedy" of superkicking an annoying little kid.



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It's amazing that HBK agreed to come back this way. Maybe, it's amazing that they ran this at all.

Awkward end to the show, and if Sarge can just book a match next week, can't he just book random stuff way in advance or make flukey clauses that give him power at odd times like Mick Foley did?

I'm still amazed that Vince pisses on this crowd every time up there.



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Dear God, not the Wacky Tag Team Champions idea again.
That annoying little girl reminded me of someone. Perhaps the wife of someone in those skits. And, it would have been better if at least once Hunter had to go to a campfire with Nelson Royal to get directions, or at least have the bunkhouse stampede concept explained to him.
A Pole match and someone in TNA is on the outs? If Chris Masters gets a valet named Bates, we know who has returned.
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola

    That was the best Divas match on RAW in months. Surprisingly hard hitting and a bit of a surprise that Gail won. (In Canada too.) I've suspected for a couple of weeks Mickie is headed for a heel turn and it just may happen now. Incidentally, did anyone catch what Lillian called Alicia Fox in her ring introduction? It sounded like she called her "Alicia Dees" or something.


Funny, the thought has been (from Meltzer, I think) that Kim will be turning, since she's been way too chummy with her pals (lots of hugs pre and post matches) lately.

(edited by geemoney on 10.8.09 2331)
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    That was the best Divas match on RAW in months.


Possibly years.


    Incidentally, did anyone catch what Lillian called Alicia Fox in her ring introduction? It sounded like she called her "Alicia Dees" or something.


I thought it was Alicia Keys, her fellow songbird.


    I think the DX skit was written by the same guy who wrote the old WCW Mick Foley Lost in Cleveland skits.


Not sure whether this or the CANADA, YA BURNT stuff was more bush league.
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I spent the last little while a little bummed out that I wasn't going to the show, but after watching a bit of it, I'm glad I didn't go.
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I didn't watch the show, but from reading geemoney's recap - what was the payoff to the Slaugther anti-Canada stuff? Did they do one?



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Ok. So whenever they do a skit this terrible, there's usually a second meaning behind it. I thought "poor" Shane Douglas would be off the hook, since Hunter didn't end up at a Walmart, but lookie here,

Hi Ric!!!!

p.s. Don't take me seriously please.

p.p.s. Justin Credible may have chef'd too.

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    Originally posted by geemoney
    Hunter tried to convince Shawn to come back to Summerslam. “I thought it was Summerfest?” Shawn said.

I thought Shawn wasn't watching last week. And I guess the JBL severance package wasn't as big as previously thought. Worthless stock options?

They teased us once with the Orton-Cena Super Team last year when they took on the ENTIRE RAW ROSTER. The crowd popped huge for their teamwork then, as they did tonight. I don't know how you do it, but they need to put these two together.




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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I didn't watch the show, but from reading geemoney's recap - what was the payoff to the Slaugther anti-Canada stuff? Did they do one?

Nope. Unless they did it after the cameras stopped rolling.
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    Originally posted by geemoney
      Originally posted by John Orquiola

      That was the best Divas match on RAW in months. Surprisingly hard hitting and a bit of a surprise that Gail won. (In Canada too.) I've suspected for a couple of weeks Mickie is headed for a heel turn and it just may happen now. Incidentally, did anyone catch what Lillian called Alicia Fox in her ring introduction? It sounded like she called her "Alicia Dees" or something.


    Funny, the thought has been (from Meltzer, I think) that Kim will be turning, since she's been way too chummy with her pals (lots of hugs pre and post matches) lately.

    (edited by geemoney on 10.8.09 2331)
I've already forgotten but which one stole the pin from the other one a few weeks back, causing many quizzical looks? I only remember this because it was one of those times the commentators made absolutely NO mention of what was happening, and yet it was so obvious on screen.

OK, I went back and checked - it was a whopping TWO weeks ago (The W), it was Kim stealing the pin and James making the "confused pooch" face. I didn't post in that thread, so you must have heard it from Meltzer. ;-)



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Slaughter was awful, screwing his lines and such. The guest host next week is awful.

Women's match was great. Some people in here are never satisfied with the women in WWE. This was a great match. Phoenix didn't have to oversell to a complete wimp either.

No Orton and Legacy interaction. Lot's of possibilities here. Or it's nothing.

HHH HBK going heel? Implied super-kicking a small girl... I didn't like that at all, no matter what.

Big Show is overexposed, I keep saying it every week but it's true. The must have info that he drives or gathers interest.

Lawler's line about Bizarro world was so on the mark. For one night, they could have let Jericho be the face without him having to do a thing.

Looks like a boring Summerslam.
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    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    The guest host next week is awful.


I'm pretty sure Freddie was the driving force behind Santino's heyday.


    HHH HBK going heel? Implied super-kicking a small girl... I didn't like that at all, no matter what.


She had it comin'.


    Looks like a boring Summerslam.


Cheer up. CM Punk and Jeff Hardy are having a TLC match. Everything else is gravy.



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I won't lie. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I loved Slaughter heeling it up all night, and never getting his comeuppance. I wish I could come up with an explanation as to why. But all I know is it entertained the hell out of me.






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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
Random Thoughts:

-The WWE has four TV shows a week. On its live, flagship show, decides that the best use of TV time is to have its weekly (non-mainstream) celebrity host constantly insult and enrage the Canadian crowd. Can someone tell me how this:

-Draws Viewers (OMG DUDE, turn on RAW, SARGE is insulting those stupid Canadians!)
-Promotes the next PPV
-Elevates Anyone
-Gives heat to Anyone (besides sarge)

I'll accept that it might have been slightly entertaining to some people, which I guess is enough of a purpose, but I fail to see any long term value in Sarge segments over say, a longer Y2J/Cena match.

-On the topic of Y2J, would it have really killed them to just let Jericho be arrogant heel Jericho and have the commentators explain away that he may be a prick, but hes a CANADIAN Prick? I just saved them two whole promos. I understand they want to keep Cena's mega face appeal intact before SummerSlam, but if that's the case, maybe they should consider NOT booking him against a Canadian Idol in the Raw main event in Calgary.

-I don't like the idea of Shawn's on-screen return taking place outside of the arena. The last time we saw him, he was super-serious-Shawn hell bent on ending the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, complete with mind-games and epic symbolic promos. After such an epic match which led to BOTH UT and HBK taking time off...HBK returns in low-brow comedy sketches? Entertaining to be sure, but I hate how HBK goes from Mr. Wrestlemania to LOL VINCE LOVES COCKS, MR. FUJI, LOL, every time he and HHH decide to team up.

I personally hope DX returns, and HBK superkicks and kills legacy behind HHH's back as he does the long winded intro and basically says, "you're welcome, but I'm too old for this shit." Selling shirts probably is a better financial move though, so I understand not getting my wish on this one :).

-OH! And I would totally be on board with an Orton/Cena mega team. No way they are turning Cena yet, but that would make BOTH of their characters infinitely more interesting then they have been in ages (though I still maintain that IED Orton at the beginning of the year could have been HUGE.)

How to get there would be a bit of a problem...I'd go with Orton somehow getting to make the stips of the SS match where if Cena lost, he gets no title shots against anyone until after Wrestlemania 26. At SS, DX kills Legacy and Orton knows they are coming for him next. He manages to beat Cena clean though. I'd then have Orton offer to cut Cena's time without a title shot to Survivor Series...provided Orton remains Champion during that time. That would leave you with HHH/HBK vs Cena/Orton to carry Raw for awhile while they build up a midcard and maybe even try to elevate some talent.

/Fantasy booking (sorry)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
My thoughts on Shadowhendrix' Random Thoughts:

-The WWE has four TV shows a week. On its live, flagship show, decides that the best use of TV time is to have its weekly (non-mainstream) celebrity host constantly insult and enrage the Canadian crowd. Can someone tell me how this:

-Draws Viewers (OMG DUDE, turn on RAW, SARGE is insulting those stupid Canadians!)

** I don't think this was supposed to draw extra viewers, but more to do something different and have something for the crowd to interact with. Sarge just became a bastard, anything can happen in WWE!

-Promotes the next PPV

** The card is (supposed) to sell itself. Not every segment should be aimed at selling the PPV. It never has been.

-Elevates Anyone

**the Entertainment segments are hardly ever to elevate anyone.

-Gives heat to Anyone (besides sarge)

**See, there ya have it. It got Sarge some heat, and that is all they can hope for on a week when they have a non-mainstream celebrity. Heh. At least it beat ZZ Top.

-On the topic of Y2J, would it have really killed them to just let Jericho be arrogant heel Jericho and have the commentators explain away that he may be a prick, but hes a CANADIAN Prick?

**I don't think the point was to change Jericho.
But to have him be himself and ignore the crowd would be impossible to do. So he did what every good heel does.
Go with it and then viciously turn on them again.
It's why he is so good. He can actually make people boo him when they are supposed to.

-I don't like the idea of Shawn's on-screen return taking place outside of the arena. The last time we saw him, he was super-serious-Shawn hell bent on ending the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, complete with mind-games and epic symbolic promos.

**You expect too much logic in wrestling Though it can be easily explained.
- Deep down inside Shawn is really a funloving doofus. It's only when a challenge arises that he gets all serious.
- Like many of us, Shawn becomes a different person when around his best buddy (HHH) They just like to goof off. Boys will be boys!

I do expect this to end in a Wrestlemania feud btw. Shawn's contract was supposed to be up after WM, right? So one more DX run resulting in a break-up (somehow) resulting in a match that just could end up being pretty good.


(edited by dMp on 11.8.09 1038)


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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.81
    Originally posted by Shadowhendrix
    The WWE has four TV shows a week. On its live, flagship show, decides that the best use of TV time is to have its weekly (non-mainstream) celebrity host constantly insult and enrage the Canadian crowd. Can someone tell me how this:

    -Draws Viewers (OMG DUDE, turn on RAW, SARGE is insulting those stupid Canadians!)
    -Promotes the next PPV
    -Elevates Anyone
    -Gives heat to Anyone (besides sarge)



Oh, well that's easy: it doesn't do any of those things, but this is Vince's way of punishing Canada for it's "bizarro" reactions. For the last several years, Vince has been hell bent on just shitting on crowds, especially Canadian ones, whenever he brings his roid circus around. Usually it's limited to jobbing guys out in their hometowns, but I have never actually seen this much time dedicated to doing everything possible to kill off a crowd though. There is no angle, there is no payoff, and he wouldn't dare do this in even the most isolated parts of the U.S. It was more or less just malice here. They wouldn't even let them have one night to cheer Jericho, so instead they created a situation where no one really got cheered much in the main, which was bad television. And they must have known it was going to be bad television, but decided that bad TV is better than letting this paying audience have anything they could feel good about. Including the obligatory Bret reference. Just absolutely mind-boggling, really.

I'm kinda considering selling my tickets for RAW in Toronto next month, now.





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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.01
Well, my son loved the DX skits. "Dad, the burgers are on fire!". So, I know who they're marketing to.

The only sad thing is, I have tickets to RAW next week, and my son leaves to go back to Maryland the next morning(He's been here for the summer, and who do we get as Guest Host? Freddy Prinze Jr? He was a bit disappointed.


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