Maybe I missed something, but why didn't Vickie just remove Cena from the match once he revealed that she was involved with Show? The only reason he had a chance to be inserted in the match was because Vickie didn't want Edge to find out and he was holding it over her head. He threw away the one piece of leverage he had.
Originally posted by haydenMaybe I missed something, but why didn't Vickie just remove Cena from the match once he revealed that she was involved with Show? The only reason he had a chance to be inserted in the match was because Vickie didn't want Edge to find out and he was holding it over her head. He threw away the one piece of leverage he had.
Because Cena signed the contract and it's binding.
Same reason Sable couldn't leave Marc Mero back in '97. She signed a contract.
Furthermore, I'm furious at Cena for what he did. No, not that he outed the Vickie-Show "animalistic urges" forbidden love. Gross. It's that JOHN CENA RUINED THE MOST CIVIL, RESPECTFUL, PERFECT CONTRACT SIGNING IN THE HISTORY OF PRO WRESTLING! Edge and Show were being mature adults. Sportsmen. Hand shake. May the best man win. But no, Stone Cold John Cena had to come out and spoil an idyllic contract signing. He might as well have brought a cake to the ring and pushed Vickie's face in it. Damn you, Cena!
Originally posted by The King of KeithOk, so I don't claim to know a lot about pro wrestling pre-Wrestlemania. Is there some real explanation why Koko B. Ware is getting into the HoF this year? Is there some reason why some like Honky, who deserves to be in there, is inducting Koko? I mean, really? Wasn't Koko the very definition of Jobber to the Stars?
He is curtain jerking the HOF. Honky Tonk Man could be third from the top in a future year. Really I don't know how they get through the next five years of ceremonies without some really quick turnarounds.
26 - Savage & Warrior, the Ultimate Maniacs, the HOF you thought you'd never see 27 - Duane "The Rock" Johnson (ten year anniversary of X7) 28 - Michaels (two years after he retires), semi-main is Nash 30 - Foley (MSG) 31 - Undertaker 32 - Triple H 33 - Kurt Angle & Sting (WM back in Orlando)
After that, there isn't anybody who's gonna sell out a Hall of Fame ceremony. I mean they can always do Vince, natch, but what fun would that be.
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If Foley is still on the outs come Mania XXX, does Vince cut a check to Ventura and/or Ali for induction?
Originally posted by The King of KeithOk, so I don't claim to know a lot about pro wrestling pre-Wrestlemania. Is there some real explanation why Koko B. Ware is getting into the HoF this year? Is there some reason why some like Honky, who deserves to be in there, is inducting Koko? I mean, really? Wasn't Koko the very definition of Jobber to the Stars? Is it his singing voice? I just don't get it. Really? Koko? Hall of Famer Koko B. Ware? That's like putting a career .200 hitter in Cooperstown.
The reason is that the Hall of Fame is a work. They induct whoever they feel like for whatever reasons they want. They don't like to induct active wrestlers, and they don't like to induct too many dead people each year, and they won't induct anyone who won't show up to receive the plaque.
Koko B. Ware didn't have a Hall of Fame career, but neither did Baron Mikel Scicluna (jobber), Johnny Rodz (jobber), or James Dudley (Vince Sr's limo driver), and they're all in. As much as I love Honky Tonk Man, he didn't have that career either. Brooklyn Brawler has been considered for inclusion. Cowboy Bob Orton would never have made it except they wanted to say that Randy Orton was the son of a Hall of Famer. And there are a ton of obvious first-ballot candidates - Lou Thesz, Bruno Sammartino, Bob Backlund, Randy Savage, Mick Foley, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and Vince McMahon himself - who aren't in yet.
So I don't know. Maybe this is recognition that Koko was really talented and popular despite his (worked) win/loss record. Maybe they wanted a fun guy from one of the early WrestleManias. Maybe they thought they needed a black guy for some ethnic diversity. Maybe they thought it would be funny to show the Piledriver video again. Maybe Vince really digs parrots.
Koko was *great* in Memphis and the first "over" wrestler of color I saw (not saying he was the first, but was the first for me). No small feat in the South in those days too. I think part of the "problem" is that we are equating WWF/E "Hall of Fame" with those from other sports in that it's a reward for putting up staggering numbers or being the best at your position for a period of time. I think the WWF/E HOF is pure ceremony and is designed to help fill out a 2hr or so show and generate more money through tickets sold for Vince, and if it allows us to see what Koko looks like these days, see some old clips and hear stories of his Memphis days when he was a *STAR* or his WWF days when he was "jobbing" but I'm sure having a blast, then so much the better. I'm all for it.
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Originally posted by DrewDewceI think part of the "problem" is that we are equating WWF/E "Hall of Fame" with those from other sports in that it's a reward for putting up staggering numbers or being the best at your position for a period of time. I think the WWF/E HOF is pure ceremony and is designed to help fill out a 2hr or so show and generate more money through tickets sold for Vince
Agreed -- it's basically all a PR stunt, designed to raise greater awareness about the WM PPV. That's why they always seem to induct folks who are meaningful to different demos in the WWE target audience. For example, they'll grab one mainstream celeb, and then an ex-champ from the Pacific Northwest, then an ex-wrestler from the South, etc.
Nothin' wrong with that approach. Obviously, the WWE seems happy with the results.
Vicki's ass slap on Show was fan-fucking-tastic. I was literally doubled over from laughter. Maryse and Melina looked to be legit bitchslapping each other. Where was Santino, tho? Was he out there? Did I miss him? If Randy running a b&b? There sure were a lot of random people, there, but the one that SHOULD have been there, wasn't. An appearance by Bob would have saved the whole thing. Hot wife or not, the "Incredible Hulk" HHH trashing the house thing blew. Seriously, Kane looked more believable searching for people in See No Evil than Hunter did walking around the house. Hey, Helmsley, Cena is a better actor than you! How does THAT make you feel? Maybe next week, Steph will get kidnapped and Hunter will save her to show Cena who's Oscar material. Honky is inducting Koko? Whaaaaaaaa???????? Another thing about Orton. What does his wife think of his IED? If I were one of those random people walking around the house, I'd be scared shitless of walking out in front of Randy by mistake and him going Pele on my head.
Originally posted by JimBob SkeeterVicki's ass slap on Show was fan-fucking-tastic. I was literally doubled over from laughter.
The Lovely Mrs. Tracker asked me to rewind that moment. She loved the entire segment. Edge's face, Show's reactions, everything. The WWE may have sold the PPV right there to the Tracker household. And then they brought out Kofi, and he WON. TLMT's favorite Raw ever.
But Orton/HHH does nothing for us. The title seems to be a tertiary concern. The champ is chasing the challenger. It's madness. Boring madness.
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Originally posted by MayhemNow that the whole WM card is starting to take shape, does this mean that Miz & Morrison WON'T be on the show (except for the pre-show battle royal)?
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to see a tag title unification match with the Colons added to the card. They've been fighting each other for weeks, and the Colons have already defended their titles (dq finish), and Miz/Morrison are defending theirs this Friday (I think?), which I think will probably go to another non-finish. I mean, it sure looks to me like they're going to a title vs. title, and it's not like there are really enough tag teams to justify more than one championship.
Originally posted by StaggerLeeI am surprise Orton's wife didn't act more scared at the sight of HHH coming around the corner with the sledgehammer. but then again, I am sure Randy has handed out his fair share of beatings to her.
She's awfully forgiving too of the whole Kelly Kelly thing. I'd loved the 'Get the door (nudge)' he gave her too.
It was however polite of HHH to ring the doorbell before smashing the frick out the rest of the house.
I don'c care for Lillian's pronunciation of the SD! champion - it sounds like 'Mice'.
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I have a similar sense of dread regarding Karen and the title match at Lockdown. But how could she really do a run in in a cage match? Surely they remember how she ruined the last Joe-Angle title match. Surely.