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TONIGHT: We are under a week away from No Way Out. Not shockingly, all six Elimination Chamber participants are in a six-man tag tonight, as Rey Mysterio, Kofi Kingston and John Cena face Mike Knox, Kane and Chris Jericho. Speaking of Y2J, will WWE fit Jerichoís wild week into storyline? Hall-of-Famer Ric Flair makes his first appearance on WWE TV since last summer to address Jerichoís comments from last Monday. Also, Randy Orton faces The Undertaker in a match that would be a main event anywhere in the country.

-WWE Open.

-Right to the arena we go, to start off with ďNature BoyĒ Ric Flair, as introduced by Lilian Garcia. Flair did some ďWOOOĒs, then talked about missing being in front of all these fans. He reminded fans about where he was a year ago at this time and talked about fighting Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 24. It didnít take long for Chris Jericho to have heard enough, and he came out here, cutting off the Hall-of-Famer. He said he wouldnít let Flair wax nostalgic and waste valuable air time. Major heat for Y2J. Jericho said he has another comment for Flair before he addresses Jerichoís comments. He showed Flair the video from last yearís Flair Tribute Raw of Jericho and Flair embracing in the ring, in slow motion. Jericho said he hugged Ric out of respect, but had he known that Flair would prostitute himself at the bottom of the wrestling industry he wouldnít have hugged Flair, he wouldíve slapped him in the face. Flair replied that if he knew what he knows now about Jericho, that heís a condescending punk insecure with himself....and then he never said what heíd actually do. But he said he has too much respect for WWE and Shawn Michaels to ever step into the ring again, but heís losing respect for Jericho by the minute. Flair also said he respected the fans, but Jericho didnít believe him. Jericho said itís not them, itís Flair thatís the problem, because he always has to be the center of attention. Flair said he was right because he loves the spotlight and heís ďThe Nature Boy.Ē Flair said heíd never retire from the business. He told Jericho not to tell him how to run his life.

Jericho said when youíre an honest man like he is, a lot of people tell him itís none of his business. Jericho said it is his business because heís a locker room leader who the locker room respects a lot more than they respect Flair. Y2J said it was inevitable that Flair will return to the ring because Flair canít walk away from this business with any dignity. He said the point of Mickey Rourkeís movie was that the fans could care less about any of the legends. He said as soon as the show is over, they completely forget about the legends. Y2J said Flair would continue down the road of Rourkeís character in ďThe Wrestler.Ē Jericho told Flair to stop catering to these parasites. Jericho told Flair to tell the fans that he refuses to ridicule himself for their entertainment and that heís better than they are. Jericho ordered him to do it but Flair said no. Jericho told fans to keep their eye on the pathetic human being that is The Nature Boy. He told Flair to do his strut like a good puppet and to pose for pictures for the hypocrite fans. Flair socked Jericho in the face, sending him to the mat. He then rolled to the outside as Flair strutted and took off his jacket. Great dueling promos, but Iím not sure it cleared up anything about the Wrestlemania match. Flair canít come back to the ring after all the stuff Jericho said about him....can he? They didnít even really let Flair loose there either.

-Tonight, Randy Orton takes on Smackdownís The Undertaker.....then they showed the events from last week that led up to this match.

[Commercial Break]

-Still to come, in six-man tag action, John Cena teams with Kofi Kingston and Rey Mysterio to take on Mike Knox, Kane and Chris Jericho.

(1) Jillian Hall & Beth Phoenix vs. Kelly Kelly & Melina
Next week on Raw, Beth will challenge Melina in a re-match for the Womenís Title. Beth looks to be heavy on the makeup this week as well. Jillian started things off with Kelly. Kelly did her back-flip, then dropkicked Hall. Double knee-stomp to the gut by Melina. Beth pulled Melina down by the hair behind referee Charles Robinsonís back. She then tagged in and pounded away at the champion. Melina did a matrix to avoid a clothesline, then kicked Beth in the head a few times. Santino Marella at ringside opined that Robinsonís count was too fast. Melina took care of Beth and Melina, but Rosa Mendes ant ringside clipped Melina and Beth took advantage with a Glam Slam for the win.

Winners: Beth & Jillian, at 2:39. The only time Jillian wins is when she tags with Beth. Match was watchable.

-A video package on Wrestlemania III aired.

[Commercial Break]

-JBL was backstage when HBK walked in. JBL reminded Shawn about their all-or-nothing match this Sunday. HBK mocked him, asking if he thought that would slip his mind. JBL said no, he just wanted to remind him that heís still his employee, and that he put Shawn in a tune-up match tonight against Mark Henry.

-Randy Orton, along with Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase, came out onto the stage with a microphone. Orton said that the fact that he won the Royal Rumble seems to be getting lost in all the McMahon controversy. He said he gets his choice of facing the WWE or World Heavyweight Champion. Orton said he has been thinking about which to choose non-stop and that he will be champion. He said he was never really planning on punting Stephanie last week, just showing what could happen if he wanted it to happen. Orton said he doesnít want to hurt Stephanie, he wants her to be around so he can see her face when he takes out another member of her family. He said the Undertaker couldnít stop him at the Rumble and he wonít be able to stop him tonight. Orton said if Taker canít beat him, what kind of chance does Shane think he has? Apparently Priceless face Cryme Tyme next.

[Commercial Break]

(2) Ted Dibiase & Cody Rhodes vs. Cryme Tyme
Shad tossed Cody into the buckle to start the match, then followed with a beal out of said corner. Cody got his boots up on a Shad charge, then made a blind tag to Dibiase. The heels worked over Shad in their corner for the bulk of the match. Dibiase and Shad made tags and JTG went to work on Rhodes. JTG hit ďThe Mug ShotĒ in the corner but Dibiase broke up a pin. Shad threw Teddy out of the ring, but got low-bridged going after him. That distracted JTG and Rhodes hit the Roll of the Dice (called ďCrossroadsĒ by Rhodes) for the win.

Winners: Dibiase and Rhodes, at 3:26. The win they shouldíve got last week.

-Shawn Michaels faces Mark Henry tonight. Also, the six-man tag with men from the Elimination Chamber match scheduled to take place this Sunday.

-They showed a video package of John Cena at the campus of University of Central Florida for the release of a new Gillette product. Other celebrities were there, and Derek Jeter and Tiger Woods gave brief soundbites. All this for a razor?

[Commercial Break]

-They showed some Oakland Raiders at ringside.

-The participants for the six-man tag all made their entrances, then they went to commercial before the bell rang.

[Commercial Break]

(3) Kane & Mike Knox & Chris Jericho vs. Rey Mysterio & Kofi Kingston & John Cena
Match was joined in progress out of break, with Kofi hitting a cross-body off the top, then his leaping double legdrop. Kane clotheslined him down though and tagged in Mike Knox, who applied a chin-lock. Knox missed a charge and Kofi tagged Cena. Cena connected on his pet moves, then put Knox up for the Attitude Adjustment, but Kane interfered. That allowed Knox to throw Cena out of the ring. Kane worked his back on the outside, then Y2J threw him into the ring. Jericho then tagged in for the first time and went at it with the champ. Side salto by Kane on Cena for a near-fall about six minutes in. Out of nowhere, Cena hit his finisher on Kane, but he couldnít capitalize. He made the hot tag to Mysterio, who met the freshly tagged Jericho in the ring for a row. Knox interfered on a pin attempt, but Rey ushered him out of the ring. Kofi came off the top, but Jericho caught him in a Codebreaker for the pin.

Winners: Jericho, Knox & Kane, 7:49 shown. Again, Jericho got the win he perhaps shouldíve got last week. At least heís got some momentum heading into the Chamber. And the right guy took the pinfall.

-Stephanie McMahon was on the phone backstage. She wasnít doing much talking and seemed to be defending herself to someone. They seemed to be worried about her keeping herself at a distance from Randy Orton.

-Shawn Michaels was walking backstage, heading to the ring to take on The Worldís Strongest Man.

[Commercial Break]

(4) Shawn Michaels vs. Mark Henry
Before the match started, JBL came out to sit and watch at ringside. HBK attacked Henry before the bell and continued his onslaught once the match officially started. HBK got a chair from under the ring as Tony Atlas was on the apron. The ref turned around to see Shawn hit Sweet Chin Music on Henry while Mark was holding the chair (though there seemed to be a timing issue), which disqualified Shawn.

Winner: Henry, at 1:00.

JBL got the mic and said that HBK better watch out this Sunday, because he could easily get DQíd again and lose everything to JBL. Layfield told Shawn heíd put his likeness on everything he owns. JBL said Michaels should bring someone with him to No Way Out (Jose Lothario?!?), and he suggested Michaelsí wife because he wants her to see first-hand what a broken-down old man Michaels has become. JBL said heíll do on Sunday what he does every day of his life: win. He said at his office, there will always be a place for a beautiful and talented lady. Adding Shawnís wife just furthers the idea that this angle is the bastard child of the Y2J-Michaels angle.

-The main event is Undertaker vs. Randy Orton. The I.C. Title is on the line as William Regal faces CM Punk next.

[Commercial Break]

(5) CM Punk vs. William Regal- Intercontinental Title Match
C.C Sabathia of the New York Yankees was shown in the crowd during Punkís entrance. Regal quickly kneed Punk in the head, a shot that seemed to rock the champ. Punk did end up coming back and got Regal up for the GTS early, but Regal used his elbows to get out of it. Regal tied Punkís arms up and soon after went for a cover. Cole insisted Regal must be surprised that Punk has been able to hang in, and they said this only two minutes into the match. Regal measured Punk for another knee, but CM kicked him in the head. He got Regal up and hit Go To Sleep.

Winner: Punk, at 2:51. I would say this would be the end of the road for this feud, but why would they pay it off with a match that got no hype and lasted under three minutes?

-Wrestlemania XIII was profiled via video recap.

-Undertaker takes on Randy Orton in the main event tonight.

[Commercial Break]

-Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler talked about Mickey Rourke winning a BAFTA Award in England for Best Actor yesterday, the British equivalent of the Oscars. They even showed clips from the award show and Rourkeís acceptance speech, which I read was quite raunchy.

-They showed what happened with Flair and Jericho earlier in the night.

-Cole and Lawler ran down the No Way Out card.

-We got another package of Orton vs. The McMahons from last week.

-Randy Orton was on his way to the curtain to come out for his match with the Undertaker.

[Commercial Break]

(6) Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker
Taker clotheslined Orton over the top rope, but Orton got the better of him on the outside. Taker stunned Orton on the top rope though. Orton almost ran into a right hand, but took a detour outside the ring where he ran into a Taker clothesline. Six one, half-dozen the other I guess. Commercial time.

[Commercial Break]

Orton was in control out of break, thanks in part to a second-rope DDT that Orton hit during the break. Big powerslam by Orton, but that took a lot out of young Randall as well and only garnered him a two-count. Taker suplexed out of a chin-lock and the two traded right hands in the middle of the ring. Orton hit a European uppercut, but Taker came back with more soupbones and a splash in the corner. Taker is going all Vintage on Orton (check your cards for a Bingo). Taker set up for a chokeslam to no avail, and an RKO was dodged by Taker. He set Orton up for a Tombstone, but The Legacy came in and pounded away at Undertaker for a DQ.

Winner: Taker, via DQ, at 8:51.

After Orton got down on all fours laying in wait to strike with an RKO, Shane McMahon came out and went after Orton. That allowed Taker to re-group and take out Rhodes and chokeslam Dibiase. Shane got a garbage can from under the ring and set it up on Dibiase, then landed the Van Terminator on Teddy. Shane stood tall in the ring staring at Orton, who was staring back on the stage. They showed replays of the attack then went out on the stare-down.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.86
    Originally posted by geemoney
    Shane got a garbage can from under the ring and set it up on Dibiase, then landed the Van Terminator on Teddy.
Ahahahahaha you're very generous.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.66
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by geemoney
      Shane got a garbage can from under the ring and set it up on Dibiase, then landed the Van Terminator on Teddy.
    Ahahahahaha you're very generous.


Technically he *did* land the Van Terminator, as Van Dam often landed short on it too.
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That Van Terminator looked painful....for Shane.



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I guess Shane landed enough of it that they felt OK showing the two replays. *I* thought he was going to lose his balance before he jumped.

Who was Steph talking to on the phone? I say HHH.
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The CM Punk/William Regal feud should have been glorious. Instead we got a bunch of 3-4 minute matches. That's really a shame.
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I guess Shane landed enough of it that they felt OK showing the two replays. *I* thought he was going to lose his balance before he jumped.

    Who was Steph talking to on the phone? I say HHH.


I was wondering if they were going to replay it, too, as it looks like they weren't quite certain he would hit it in the first place as they seemed to cut away just as he jumped. Without his leg extension at the end, it would have been nothing.

I say HHH, too.

I say Flair wrestles Y2J at WM25, too.
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I noticed Orton made a point to mention that he is allowed to challenge for either title at WM.

Steph was talking to someone on that phone who seemed very concerned with her well-being, and quite protective of her.

Smackdown does have a title match in the Elimination Chamber coming up at the next PPV.

Could they possibly be thinking of putting the belt on HHH in the E.C. and then having Orton go after him? It would open up the WM card for a lot of things. It frees up Edge to possibly have the Edge/Matt v. Jeff/Christian match that people have speculated about. Cena could pretty much go against anyone since his match wouldn't be expected to carry the show, especially if the HBK v. Taker and/or the Mickey Rourke stuff happens. Plus they'd finally get to do the Orton v. HHH singles match they've been wanting for a few years now.



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didn't Orton and Triple H have like 5 single matchs all for the world tittle?

good show but is it just me or does nwo only have 4 matchs?
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88
    Originally posted by spf
    I noticed Orton made a point to mention that he is allowed to challenge for either title at WM.

    Steph was talking to someone on that phone who seemed very concerned with her well-being, and quite protective of her.

    Smackdown does have a title match in the Elimination Chamber coming up at the next PPV.

    Could they possibly be thinking of putting the belt on HHH in the E.C. and then having Orton go after him? It would open up the WM card for a lot of things. It frees up Edge to possibly have the Edge/Matt v. Jeff/Christian match that people have speculated about. Cena could pretty much go against anyone since his match wouldn't be expected to carry the show, especially if the HBK v. Taker and/or the Mickey Rourke stuff happens. Plus they'd finally get to do the Orton v. HHH singles match they've been wanting for a few years now.


Bingo...this is exactly what I thought. With all of this happening it leaves Cena with no opponent. Could Jericho win the Chamber and then have Cena chase?

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
    Originally posted by geemoney
    Flair canít come back to the ring after all the stuff Jericho said about him....can he?


I don't think so. Then he'd be proving everything Jericho said about him. And it's better that way.

    Originally posted by Captaincuba
    Could Jericho win the Chamber and then have Cena chase?


I think we have to wait until after the Oscars to find out whether Mickey Rourke is interested in that match at Mania. If that falls through, Jericho/Cena is a legitimate main event-caliber match at WM, even on a card that could have Michaels/Taker.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
    Originally posted by spf
    I noticed Orton made a point to mention that he is allowed to challenge for either title at WM.


But no mention of the ECW title, unlike the build when 'Taker won the shot a couple years ago.
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    Originally posted by Captaincuba
      Originally posted by spf
      I noticed Orton made a point to mention that he is allowed to challenge for either title at WM.

      Steph was talking to someone on that phone who seemed very concerned with her well-being, and quite protective of her.

      Smackdown does have a title match in the Elimination Chamber coming up at the next PPV.

      Could they possibly be thinking of putting the belt on HHH in the E.C. and then having Orton go after him? It would open up the WM card for a lot of things. It frees up Edge to possibly have the Edge/Matt v. Jeff/Christian match that people have speculated about. Cena could pretty much go against anyone since his match wouldn't be expected to carry the show, especially if the HBK v. Taker and/or the Mickey Rourke stuff happens. Plus they'd finally get to do the Orton v. HHH singles match they've been wanting for a few years now.


    Bingo...this is exactly what I thought. With all of this happening it leaves Cena with no opponent. Could Jericho win the Chamber and then have Cena chase?

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Guys, Randy Orton is almost certainly not challenging for the WWE Title at WrestleMania. I think Triple H will get that belt either at No Way Out or at WrestleMania, but your fantasies about Orton going to Smackdown and clearing the path for Jericho vs. Cena just aren't going to come true. I love Jericho too but it's not his time.

Orton is the most pushed guy in the company at the moment and he's staying on RAW. Besides, it would be illogical to move Orton to Smackdown and dilute Edge as the top heel there. A brand switch of Orton for Edge is one thing but were that to happen at all, it wouldn't by WrestleMania.

The only way I see Jericho getting a title shot at WrestleMania would be if the Mickey Rourke thing completely falls through and Jericho is inserted into the World Heavyweight Title match as a Triple Threat. Even then, the odds of Jericho going over Orton are pretty slim.

    Originally posted by Mayhem
      Originally posted by spf
      I noticed Orton made a point to mention that he is allowed to challenge for either title at WM.


    But no mention of the ECW title, unlike the build when 'Taker won the shot a couple years ago.


That's because Vince McMahon's musclehead personal project Bobby Lashley was ECW Champion then. The very notion of Randy Orton using his Royal Rumble guaranteed shot to challenge Jack Swagger (or Finlay) for the ECW Championship at WrestleMania 25 is absurd.

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    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
      Originally posted by Mr Shh
      I guess Shane landed enough of it that they felt OK showing the two replays. *I* thought he was going to lose his balance before he jumped.

      Who was Steph talking to on the phone? I say HHH.


    I was wondering if they were going to replay it, too, as it looks like they weren't quite certain he would hit it in the first place as they seemed to cut away just as he jumped.


They've always done that quick cut-away (with I think the possible exception of the first time he performed it) in order to give the impression that he's straight-up hitting the move rather than landing on his back and reaching with his feet. So it's not so much they're worried he's not going to hit it, but that they know it's going to look sloppy unless they do some clever jumps and cuts.

I have nothing else to add other than, boy, is this Orton/McMahon stuff stupid. And as good as Jericho and Flair both are, they're being weighed down by the terrible over-scripting of their promos. Despite their best efforts and talents, none of that came across as organic or really making a Hell of a lot of sense (not even in wrestling terms).

Say I'm somebody who is just stumbling onto this little feud of theirs through last nights promos, because I am. What I got from that is that Jericho is upset because...Ric Flair signs autographs at conventions and indy shows? I know it's more complicated than that, but what I was hearing wasn't making a Hell of a lot of sense, even in terms of wrestling logic.




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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    The CM Punk/William Regal feud should have been glorious. Instead we got a bunch of 3-4 minute matches. That's really a shame.


Total agreement. I just don't understand why they couldn't hold off on the match for this week and give this a little more build and have the match on PPV. There are only 5 matches announced for the show at this time. Hopefully they don't have the expected MVP/Shelton match on SD and save IT for PPV at least.

A decent show from what I saw, but my attention was definitly divided with the MU/KU game on at the same time.

Excellent opening promos from both guys. I really don't want to see Flair wrestle again but I have no qualms with him being involved in some capacity because the man is still gold on the stick. Still think Jericho is gonna destroy him at some point leading to a HHH/Jericho match.

Why couldn't Cryme Tyme and Priceless have had that match last week? It's nice to give them the decisive win, but at some point Rhodes and Dibiase have to do more than beat Cryme Tyme and act like bowling pins for the ME guys. This grouping with Orton should be used to build all of them not just Orton.

That six man went pretty much exactly how I expected. I'd rather have seen Cena take the pin to put some sense of doubt into the Chamber match. My one complaint is that if they're trying to build Mike Knox as a monster, how about letting him get some decent offense in on Cena instead of having Cena run through him like a hot knife through butter after a hot tag. The mid-air Codebreaker may be my new favorite finisher now.

JBL has been great in his bullying boss role on the mic lately, but I still don't look forward to him in the ring. At least it's with HBK who might be able to get a great match out of him anyway.

Orton/Taker was a lot of fun before the expected copout finish. Shane's van Terminator was decent, but I was figuring he'd come up way shorter than he did. Was it just me or did Taker give Dibiase one hell of a wedgie before he chokeslammed him? Does he always do that or have I just not noticed?





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I was askin' myself all the same questions raised in this thread. Triple H as Orton's opponent would make sense out of all the McMahon-based buildup around Randy. Neverminding that they just wrestled each other a ton last year and it was only that great one time.

HHH winning the belt would be hilarious because that would make four straight Smackdown title changes on PPV, and another one month reign for Edge, who is going to break Flair's record by accident. If they do Triple H as the avenging McMahon, then he and Orton could be on both shows all March, then HHH retains the title without either guy ever switching brands.

So if HHH wrestles Orton instead of Edge, I just don't know who would be even remotely close to Cena's level unless it was Edge in the ol' switcheroo.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    So if HHH wrestles Orton instead of Edge, I just don't know who would be even remotely close to Cena's level unless it was Edge in the ol' switcheroo.
Maybe Cena vs. Shawn vs. JBL? I thought they were headed in that direction with Cena's involvement in the JBL/Shawn story, but more recently it doesn't look to be the case. But unless they move Edge to Raw, I'm not sure what else they'd do. And I'd like Money in the Bank to be Edge vs. Christian vs. Matt vs. Jeff, but I'm certain we're not getting that either.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    So if HHH wrestles Orton instead of Edge, I just don't know who would be even remotely close to Cena's level unless it was Edge in the ol' switcheroo.


I'm torn on the question of finally admitting the two are married. It's been a nice running joke when the two are on the same show and when Steph was in labor (the father must be well endowed, why is Triple H at the hospital, etc.). I'm not even talking about any lingering kayfabe questions about their reuniting after the fall of the Factgime.

If the WWE makes the marriage part of the stories, then Triple H again becomes Vince's son-in-law, a potential heir to the empire. It's a genie best kept bottled up for all the angles still left for Hunter. And if it is put to use here, finally, just to get Orton over, then what happens if it doesn't work? Which I suspect will happen. They can push Orton to the moon, but if he continues to be flat and drab, they're wasting ammo on a lame duck. They can only use the nuclear option once.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    They can push Orton to the moon, but if he continues to be flat and drab


I dunno, this is not the Orton of 2005. He's gotten the biggest reactions in the company since he came back from his injury. People are crazy for the slow walking. If anyone's gonna bring drabness to the program, it'll be Hunter.


    Originally posted by James
    Maybe Cena vs. Shawn vs. JBL?


I haveta go with the assumption that they're getting past JBL & Shawn to set up Undertaker-Shawn. Otherwise Cena could wrestle Undertaker for the third straight title vs. streak, and people could get apoplectic about Cena ending the streak.



    I'd like Money in the Bank to be Edge vs. Christian vs. Matt vs. Jeff, but I'm certain we're not getting that either.


I want it to somehow come out that Edge and Christian have blackmailed Matt into pretending to be the assailant but that seems a little far-fetched.
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    If the WWE makes the marriage part of the stories, then Triple H again becomes Vince's son-in-law, a potential heir to the empire. It's a genie best kept bottled up for all the angles still left for Hunter.
I would LOVE to hear the list of all the angles still left for Hunter. That's a guy with a wealth of untapped potential.



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